"This is how you solve problems"

Seriously, stop with the attitude, it's not the first time someone suggests a change in Hysteria, just take a look at all the threads made considering Hysteria over the years and open your eyes.

Quote from: DarkOne on March 07, 2013, 09:36 PM

Quote from: Free on March 07, 2013, 08:50 PM
Yeah, nobody ever said anything constructive about what's wrong with Hyst.

See, this is what I mean with the trouble of oldschoolers who don't bother reading what anyone else has to say.

Exactly same thing applies to you.

Nah you lost Prof.

Really.

Quote from: DarkOne on March 07, 2013, 08:39 PM

Quote from: darKz on March 07, 2013, 12:54 PM
You can tell? It's because thread after thread (after thread..) about Hysteria popped up over the years (emphasis on the word years) and look where we are now, the scheme wasn't touched at all, not a single time.

Because thread after thread (after thread..) we get flamefests almost immediately and we never got further than "REMOVE HYSTERIA WTF".

Yeah, nobody ever said anything constructive about what's wrong with Hyst.

Quote from: GreatProfe on March 07, 2013, 08:22 PM
i think the ppl addicted to rope should understand ground schemes is to be decided in ground - not in rope ninja. Pretty sure to add rope knocking in elite and team is a mistake: the rope has only the function to move your worms in the map - not to get any advantage. Just saying - do not take it as personal.

OH JUST LIKE IN INTERMEDIATE? PLS DO NOT TAKE IT AS PERSONAL BUT IN WHAT PAGE OF UNIVERSAL WORMS BOOK IT IS SAID THAT ROPE IS ONLY FOR MOVEMENT? OR MAYBE ITS JUST IN UR HEAD?

I'd be all in favor of rope knocking as it just ADDS to the skill-level of the scheme, more variety in attacks, more to think about in defense.

Good to have this discussion but guess what, it will only cause flame, feeding Komo the forum troll and most probably ending up changing nothing.

Having the idea of "let the whole community have a vote" sounds good in paper, but doesn't really work in our community, which has more and more newer players coming and old ones leaving.

Like you can't vote until your over certain age, because of lack of experience, same thing applies here. Someone needs find their 2 hanging nuts, grab them and start making some decisions IF the emphasis is on catering more of us competitive players, which it seems to be not. Let's be real here, nothing has changed except girders in T17 and Hysteria (premature ejaculation anyone?). Example of Roper that Anubis brought up is a good one, we start blaming the player for being "lame" if he starts hiding on top from the start, when the scheme enables it as a good tactic and from competitive point of view, it would be simply stupid to not utilize the most effective gameplay. If we would play with money on stake, you can bet your ass hiding on top would be the only hide for the player who starts. Who would pick Hysteria with money on stake (if he has stronger more skill-based scheme to pick from), because let's be real here, you only have 1 second to execute your move which leaves a lot to be desired from "skill point of view" EVEN if you are really experienced in the scheme. Just as I wouldn't pick Team17 with money on stake because when 2 equal T17 minds face-off, it has too much emphasis on cr8s, same with Shopper on relatively easy map where hiding tactics are out of the equation, etc... Schemes are over 10 years old, if you really think they don't need any polishing then god damn the original scheme creators have been Wormy Einsteins to say the least.

Quote from: Husk on March 04, 2013, 08:02 AM

Quote from: Free on March 02, 2013, 06:27 PM
"Host cups less talk", what has hosting cups changed in Classic really other than amount of girder in T17, and there was no need for cup for that change, as far as I rememeber.

how else r u going to get people to try ur new scheme then?

u host a cup with ur new scheme idea, ppl like it. maybe 1 season in trl, ppl like it some more. maybe enough players like it enough for it to make changes for bng in classic

If your talking about introducing a whole new scheme to Classic, then yeah cups and trl is a working solution, but when talking about improving +10 year old classic schemes, we really don't need to host cup after cup with different rule tweaking to know how the scheme affects luck/skill balance. My solution is to have a council that consists of very experienced players who are also "smart thinkers" and they simply force a rule. Way more effective and saves time. Whatever rule is forced, there is going to be opposition anyways so let a council make the decisions imo. No need for cups (when it comes to simple rules discussions or scheme tweaks) and we could actually see changes happen wayyyy more effectively.

"Host cups less talk", what has hosting cups changed in Classic really other than amount of girder in T17, and there was no need for cup for that change, as far as I rememeber.

Quote from: Komito on March 01, 2013, 09:08 AM
Yah good job guys, you outplayed us at the end there

"Outplayed"

Nt trying to make it sound like it was something special lol. Ur supposed to be one of the "hyst pros" and you dont even hide from side zook angle.

Ok, whats the "cool" in just firepunching and using the retreat time to move? DC could do that even faster if he used more fp's.

I mean is the retreat time counted? I suppose not.

Go Finland!

Gogo spike!

Ok for me.

Someone really watches bng replays?