Quote from: DarkOne on February 08, 2010, 05:33 PM
It also costs time to deliver a shot when you're NOT on the rope (takes time to land, doesn't it?) so the "forcing people to rope accurately" reason is utter nonsense.

For weapons like homing missiles and pigeons, in an instance where a player is hidden in a hard to reach spot (say on the roof of the map), it can require extra time to set up a shot if your on the rope. It CAN be quicker in these situations to stop on the floor, click the target and fire straight up in the air.

In league games every second can count, especially if you have a hard crate or fall, and in SOME situations a player would have been able to make a turn if the AFR rule was not play. You cant argue against that because any league playing shoppper player understands that these situations do happen, as they do in wxw.

For example you fall on the far left hand side of the map and have 4 seconds left, no time to rope to the last worm on the far right, so launch a homing missile from foot.

If you get bad wind, a straight zook from the floor will be the most effective thing to do.

Im in support of no AFR, although playing shopper with or without it offers equally enjoyable game play for different reasons.

Quote from: Error on February 07, 2010, 11:02 PM
but if someone on ag but not on tus (exmpl: someon join ag and asking - playing - only then visit tus).
so there will be no conection with players on ag and tus... if there 2 tus players online and 1st asking here, 2nd asking on ag, they never found each other... not so good idea...

this is for people who are browsing tus, not using snoopers.

I dont use a snooper any more and neither do lots of other people, this idea would be good for those people.

Nobody is saying that you MUST arrange tus games this way, it just gives you some extra help in finding a tus game, and any help for that is welcome.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 07, 2010, 06:56 AM
Why show a button if it's gonna show only the 8 people? If you visit the playoffs page, the 8 players are there already.

Because its quicker and easier.

At least have the information about WHY someone has qualified for a certain PO spot on the standings page. (1st Overall, 4th Seasonal etc...)

This is very important, most people do not understand how the tus PO system works, this would make it quick and easy to understand.

tus is a maze!

Quote from: pr on February 07, 2010, 12:28 AM
above the shoutbox we could add a button with a bulb image like in W:A.
After pressing it this means you are available to play atm.
And there should be a list of these players near the bulb.

yeh, thats almost perfect, good idea

aye MI.

A very simple thing you can do to make it easier for people to understand is this.

On the standings table players highlighted for PO positions should have some small text next to where it says "PO#1" explaining why they are there. You may need to make a column wider on the table to fit it in.

So it looks like this:

PO#1 (1st Seasonal)    shaggy
PO#3 (2nd Seasonal)   Crash
PO#5 (3rd Seasonal)    beer
PO#7 (4th Seasonal)     benz
PO#2 (1st Overall)     Random00     
PO#8 (4th Overall)     Chicken23     
PO#6 (3rd Overall)   guaton
PO#4 (2nd Overall)    ZiPpO

This is so much easier for people to understand.

You also need to make a button available on the standings page that shows only the 8 players qualified for POs, in order, like this:

PO#1 (1st Seasonal)    shaggy
PO#2 (1st Overall)     Random00
PO#3 (2nd Seasonal)   Crash
PO#4 (2nd Overall)    ZiPpO
PO#5 (3rd Seasonal)    beer
PO#6 (3rd Overall)   guaton
PO#7 (4th Seasonal)     benz
PO#8 (4th Overall)     Chicken23  

The button can be put in the box left of "Country" on the table.
There, now its very easy for everyone to understand!

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 06, 2010, 09:22 AM
I will. Map db will change few things on the site. For example it will be linked to challenges. So that the mods pick maps directly from map db, won't upload it anymore. Once map db is finished I'll have plenty time for many other parts.

sounds good, make sure you cater well for bit maps, theres not many sites that do, none that are active now anyway

ae!

Hmm I see where your comming from Crash.

It can be hard finding a tus, and alot of people dont even use snoopers.

It would be nice if that whenever we logged on to tus, there would be a button we could press that highlights our name in a list of people "looking for a game". Like the way people currently online are displayed at the bottom of the home page.

This way people that are doing other things and are not always snooping in ag to look for a game every so often, they could come on to the tus site, and quickly select one of the players in the list that sends him a pm straight away telling him that a game has been requested. There could even be an alarm sound that is played so that he definately comes back in time!

Not that important, but I think it could be a nice idea as im always seeing "TUS anyone?" in the shoutbox.

yeh bring back ttrr challenges, a few maps per season, top players get awards etc

Quote from: Crash on February 05, 2010, 08:36 PM
beer junior lol

lol

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 05, 2010, 10:32 PM
Clone Random00's post for me plz

Quote from: Random00 on February 03, 2010, 01:47 PM
I totally dislike the TUS Scheme as it is; the old FB scheme or the WO scheme [from the tourneys that FFie hosted] are much better imo).

There, so sort it!

Quote from: Random00 on February 03, 2010, 01:47 PM
dont think thats true, but I also voted for AFR, simply because in most cases you can do more damage without attacking from rope more easily.

Yes, having AFR forces players to rope more consistantly, especially on tighter maps as you must make extra time for setting certain attacks than you do if you could just shoot from the floor.

Im happy with or without it, both ways have pros and cons

yeh, but you could have it so that you can only play poker once you've played the minimum games limit!

Quote from: Rok on February 04, 2010, 10:43 AM
Yeah, theoretically, if everybody plays only vs you. In reality people play with everybody, so there's always someone you can beat and get more points.

Yes, but im using the extreme to prove a point. If there was a player who got all of his ratings over say 3000 points, then in the MAJORITY of games he would only be able to win 1 or to points.

Now this is fine, he'll be able to qualify as long as he plays and wins enough of his overal games, but it will be IMPOSSIBLE for him to place 1st in the standings, seeing as even if he played 500 games, his seasonal rating would only increase by 500. Most players earning an average of 30 points be win would be able to reach this in only 15 games.

Take the Flori case for example, he was only gaining 1 point for an rr win at one point.

MI,

My point, is that rating changes are calculated by overall ratings, so the better you play over a longer period of time, the harder it is to place high in the DEFAULT VIEW of the standings page.

There needs to be a dedicated button that lets you VIEW IN ORDER OF PO placement!

My main problem was that, surely in on my stats page it should say I finished 4th, in season 9, rather than 20th. I understand that this is only regarding my seasonal rating, but on the playoffs page it says "finished in X position in the standings". For me it says I "finished 4th" in the standings.

To finish in 4th means (in theory) that I would have played better than the 16 of the other people in the standings. It should say, that I finished in 4th on my stats page. I have qualified for POs in many seasons, but when you look at my stats it would look like I was only in the top 8 once or twice.

The tus system works using TWO sets of ratings, my problem is that it considers seasonal as the most important in terms of how a players performance is displayed. We have now a situation in which a new player can come to tus, win 50% of his games and place "higher" than an old pro whith a 90% winning percentage.

Its almost impossible for someone in the top 10 overall to finish 1st seasonally. I think the PO system should instead of placing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
it should place 1a 1b, 2a 2b, 3a 3b, 4a 4b. Just so that it LOOKS fairer, and so that people with high overall ratings can still battle it out for a 1st place.

Ive been rambling, cant type well atm, hope you got the jist of what im trying to say.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 04, 2010, 07:43 AM
@NAiL,
Is your perfect player the perfect noob basher? There's no scheme or no other player with a closer rank to him that he could gain more than 1 point per game?

Im saying "theoretically", if you won all of your games and never lost you would be gaining only 1 point per win.

Yes, you should move to 4th place if you qualify for 4th place!!

The system will just rearrange the order. The top 20 will still be the top 20, with the top 8 being in order of PO position.