Quote from: ropa on April 12, 2012, 09:21 AM
What different skills do you need in WxW than you need in Roper? Ability to aim supersheep launchers from rope? It's the same skillset: rope as fast from A to B with just enough time to attack and then use pile tactics on retreats. It's the same scheme, with a couple more weapons (not a big deal since weapon since the emphasis is on getting fast enough to get an attack in.
the schemes are similar yes, wxw requires a different style of roping to roper, wxw has many more weps, yeh essentially the skills are the same, but the schemes are undeniably different and should not be classed as the same scheme, no way.
Quote from: ropa on April 12, 2012, 09:21 AM
Shopper and Team17 are also extremely similar. You can come here arguing how roping skill is very important in Shopper. But it isn't. I used to Shop with Chicken all the time (in that short time Shopper got popular in clan matches) because his skills in Team17 and default directly translated to Shopper (if you don't get my point: Chicken sucked at ropes but we beat Ce (a shopper clan) more often than not). People would notice much more similarities if you started playing Team17 in other than double caves or actually started using clever Shopper maps or randoms. Shopper is all about clever use of weapons, it's the main skill of the scheme, it's also the main skill in Team17. They're different the same way indoor football and 11 a side football are different, they have different rules, different timings, and yet they require basically the same skill set bar a few differences.
WRONG
the schemes are completely different, the only similarity the 2 schemes share is that you must collect weapons from crates. Overall weapon knowledge is another similarity, yet this is a feature of any scheme that has a broad range of potential weapons.
dude ur SO wrong its just shameful how wrong you are.
Shopper is about roping and attacking consistently, that is all.
Shopper = ROPE, ATTACK, HIDE. Thats IT. THATS IT.
Skills and gameplay characteristics found in team17 THAT ARE NOT PRESENT IN SHOPPER:
Girders, blocking worms to obtain a turn order advantage OR whatever else - DONT NEVER HAPPEN IN SHOPPA
Tactics... diplomacy... Tactics.... diplomacy......
Bluffing, portraying strength by teleporting in reach of an enemy worm even when you dont intend to attack next turn.
BUNGEE - NO HAPPEN IN SHOPA DOES IT, NO BUNGEE SKILL NEEDED IN SHOPPA cos there is no bungee.
Parachute jumping, navigating the map efficiently with the parachute... NO, THAT SKILL SET AINT SHOPPA EITHER IS IT.
Battlerace skills, the ability to navigate the map quickly and efficiently by walking and jumping, NONE OF THIS EVER HAPPENS IN SHOPPER SINCE YOU ROPE EVERYWHERE DONT U.
Sudden death tactics - NO SD IN SHOPPA IS IT, SO U DONT NEED ANY FORWARD PLANNING WITH REGARDS TO THE LATE GAME.
Destructible terrain, BOOM, predicting the amount of damage a certain weapon will inflict on the terrain.
SO MANY MO4R... so OBVIOUS...
dude seriously, why are you talking about chicken... whats that got to do anything. Since you mentioned chicken, and state that team17 skills are directly related to shopper and to be good at one scheme means you'll be good at the other, I can use that same logic to contradict you.
By your logic a good shopper player would be able to beat an experienced team17 player in team17 solely from his shopper experience. THIS DOESNT HAPPEN, EVER! In order to be a good shopper player, you must learn to play shopper. In order to be a good Team17 player, you must learn to play Team17.
There are loads of shopper noobs who could beat random or chicken in a game of shopper, yet if they were to play them in Team17 THEY WOULD FAIL HARD BECAUSE THE SCHEMES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
Shopper = roping consistently, rope knocking, doing as much damage as possible, hiding.
Team17 = bluffing, blocking, walking, chuting, digging, predicting, booming, destructible terraining, forward planning, jumping, bungeeing, preparation for a dramatic change in gameplay dynamics as sudden death begins... dude... the schemes are completely different so apologise for your wrong doing and stop this crazy talk right now.
