Quote from: franz on March 18, 2011, 07:16 PM

Quote from: DarkOne on March 18, 2011, 10:58 AM
Personally, I found it weird that we can play elite for both the classic league and TEL Only thing that's added is playoffs for TEL in addition to the classic league. The system works exactly the same and the schemes are exactly the same.

So why not just have 2 playoffs for classic league? An overall playoff and a specialist playoff? The specialist playoffs pick one of the scheme ratings and uses the same criteria. The specialist playoff should be a new scheme each season so it's still interesting.

This is actually making a lot more sense now.

You can also simplify a lot of reporting problems by just making everything report into the classic league. The only real differences for TEL right now is that it has its own standings/playoffs/overall ranking. If everything just reports into the classic league (MI confirm if this is possible), everything is ok as long as you still have separate Elite standings you can view -> which also has it's own separate playoff seeds/minimum requirements. The only outstanding issue would be how to handle the currently two separate overall ratings (classic and TEL).

Naturally, this concept could also expand to other schemes that gain enough support. So there could be separate Roper standings with its own playoff seeds/minimum requirements. And now for TTRR, there would be separate standings and its own playoff seeds/requirements.

Depending on popularity, these separate standings/playoffs could be removed, or just go dormant. In the end though, all is reported into classic league, so that instead of duplicate schemes getting split up reports with separate leagues... the classic league could truly show all games being played, and hopefully show the true allrounder.


edit: also, this could potentially increase the chances of finding those specialized games in ag -> "TTRR tus anyone?" will probably get more people to accept because those games will count toward those specialized standings along with the classic standings.

I dont like this idea.

The reason I dont pick ttrr as much as id like to for the classic league is becuase I dont get many points for it. I try to pick the scheme I get the most points for when I play the classic league.

People dont wanna mess with their classic league rank, if we did it this way it would also mean that people who only want to play ttrr or elite would have to reach the minimum games limit in order to make the playoffs.

If good players who dont want to take part in the classic league (like cue) were to ask for "TUS ttrr anyone", or spw "tus elite anyone", people would be less inclined to play them considering they dont want to risk their overall rank in that scheme.

If there was a seperate league with seperate rankings, people would be far more likely to play, knowing that those games will not infringe on their overall statistics.

The solution is simple to me, make another league for ttrr... what harm could it possibly do?

We've already confirmed that it wont affect classic league activity in any way, and there are a large number of players who want to have a ttrr league. Again, what harm could it possibly do!?

If it does indeed turn out to not be active, then we can just remove it... you cant lose! Make a ttrr league, there hasnt been one for ages and so many people want one so badly!

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 11:53 PM

Quote from: NAiL on March 18, 2011, 11:44 PM
Sure this goes for every scheme as you said Komo, but in ttrr you must hold your composure for a far longer single period of time than in ANY other scheme. Undeniable fact.

That's just lies, a last turn lasts what? 30-50 seconds? losing a BnG with like 10hp left against 100hp can last 5-10 minutes of nerveracking attempts at making a comeback and winning, which has happened alot to me.

D1 I was talking about BnG there.

Yes exactly komo. A turn in TTRR can range from 30 to 80 (or more) seconds of CONTINUAL focus and physical skill. No other scheme requires this. In bng the only physical skill required will last for no more than ONE second. Sure the games will go on for longer than ttrr, but in terms of continual skill over an UNBROKEN period of time, no other scheme rivals ttrr.

This is obvious...

link me man, I love all this stuff, pleeeaaaaseeee

It is a psychological test though, every ttrrer knows that.

Holding your composure to beat a nice time on your final worm is INDEED a psychological test. You know you're capable of doing it, but under pressure its another story. Every ttrrer will tell you the same.

Sure this goes for every scheme as you said Komo, but in ttrr you must hold your composure for a far longer single period of time than in ANY other scheme. Undeniable fact.

yeh its just your bl smok!

As i keep saying, you can SEE that activity in the classic league is increasing with the addition of each new league!

There still seems to be people who have not realised this and are saying the same as you did!

EVIDENCE: https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

Adding more leagues HAS INCREASED classic league activity!

This is GOOD for the classic league!

I think those schemes should stay in the free league. They are all very different and most ttrr players dont play them anyway.

There are now 3 threads about this, maybe we should remove this one and merge the other two to stop people having to check two threads?

Quote from: sm0k on March 18, 2011, 04:01 PM
Nowdays its pretty hard to find a tus.. sometimes i sit a hour in ag and no one want to tus.. but ppl, ask for tel or trl in this time .. tus single league will die soon if there gonna be 3 another leagues.. well i rly would like to play that ttrr league but at least there should be just one league, for best allrounder. i dont mind what gonna happen ;p i just said what i think

its fine that you think this, but it really is not true at all! Infact the opposite is true.

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

Click on that link, you can clearly see that activity in the classic league has INCREASED with the addition of each new league.

The argument that adding more leagues will kill the classic league just isnt true, and there is evidence to support this.

lol, link me please!

Ramone please link me to that discussion, I would enjoy reading it very much!

Yes! But I think this thread should be moved to TUS Discussion.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 01:13 AM
If I had the time to play Classic and TEL as well as a2b/TuS BnG/TRL along with my Tournaments, and Clanners, the a2b Cup, socializing with Clanmates and b2b mates and other things, I would. Other people have conditions that prevent them from playing everything they wish they had time for.

It's not rocket science to accept this fact, and if TTRR League gets added, i'll play some games, but I won't have the time to be 100% active in it as it's less a priority than other Leagues I prefer, although if I had the time I would, and for ME that creates a problem, and could possibly be the same for others as my main point being too many Leagues knowing full well there are so many people that want to win everything but the way it's going it will just be too much.

You do have time, you're on these forums all the time. Instead of reading this post right now you could be in AG looking for a league game, you're not, but you could be.

If you dont have time... why does this matter? If you dont have time to play in every league, so what!? You dont have to play in every league, people can chose what they want to play, when they want to. Nobody is forced to play in every league.

Although I disagree with most of what you say and believe most of it bares absolutely no relevance to the question at hand, I accept your point of view. Im not going to spam this thread repeating the same things over and over, ill leave it here.

Theres only one thing that needs to be done, create a poll asking "Do you want a ttrr league?". If the majority wants one, then it should be so.

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 12:45 AM
Yeah Nail, let's make a league for every Scheme, then what's the point in Classic League?

I like TTRR and would be cool with having TTRR as a League, but not as a 5th, maybe change the TRL to TTRR for a Season.

The more Leagues you make, the more time people have to spend playing them all to be successful, and alot of people don't have that time.

eh?

We are not talking about a league for every scheme. We are talking about adding a TTRR league.

The point in the classic league is that it is an ALL ROUND league. In this league players must be skilled in all schemes in order to be successful.

Then there are scheme specific league like TEL and TRL. This allows players who specialise in one scheme, or only wish to play a scheme specific league the chance to do so.

As I have already said, activity in the main league has INCREASED with the addition of each new league, this is a good thing.

People dont have to play every single league.... your point is redundant. People play the leagues they wish to play, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

As ive said, give me one good reason why offering more variety to players is a bad thing? You cant.

If people want a ttrr league, if people will play in a ttrr league, why is it a bad thing. It isnt.

The only reason you have given is "5 leagues takes the piss", which isnt a reason, its a ridiculous statement.

You seem to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. You say that you support a ttrr league, but in the same sentence you say you dont think there should be a ttrr league. What are you saying? You want one or not? Make up your mind.

Fact is you, or ANYBODY cant give one single valid reason why there shouldnt be a ttrr league (other than creating work for MI, although im sure MI is as eager to improve TUS and please the players as the rest of us).

Remember this isnt TUS league, this isnt a website dedicated to one single league, this is The Ultimate Site. A site created for many different purposes.

I still dont get why he "refuses" to post on TUS.

I find it kinda pathetic really.

KNEW

Quote from: Komito on March 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
I am keen on a TTRR League also, I support it to an extent, but seriously ask yourself, does TuS need 5 Leagues???

Sorry but I think 5 Leagues is just taking the piss lol.

Why does TUS not need 5 leagues?

It can only be a good thing offering even more variety to players. If people want a ttrr league, if people will play in a ttrr league, then how is it in any way a bad thing?

It isnt, and it doesnt "take the piss". This is the ultimate site after all, remember that.