"You are the one being arrogant here, honestly, your routine when debating, trying to find flaws in the way people type/say things has no real influence on the outcome of ANY debate"

I was debating perfectly fine until you started  putting words in my mouth (saying I didn't like ssr), dictating my thoughts (making up reasons as to why I am against ssr and refusing to accept any explanation except for your own false ones you completely made up), and dictating my actions (saying how I would act if things were different). Basically, your routine of debating is that you are too f@#!ing retarded to have an intelligent debate, so you pull your pants down and shit on the keyboard and post whatever keys were pressed.

Quote from: Cueshark on October 29, 2010, 02:04 AM

Quote from: ShyGuy on October 29, 2010, 01:53 AMCueshark has played 2 tus games total; sorry, he is not a valid answer. 

My post wasn't commenting on whether to put ssr into the Classic league.  I didn't even know there was a classic and a free league.

Glad to find out there is though because I didn't realise you could play ssr in TUS.

:<

I know. Komo was saying he knew of some people who would pick ssr if it was in classic league, and he said your name, but you have only played 2 games ever. Yeah, you can play ssr in the freeleague where it belongs

I asked you where your fair amount of players backing you up were. Cueshark has played 2 tus games total; sorry, he is not a valid answer. 

Originally when i asked you that, you didn't answer me... you just gave me your bullshit komo politician routine by saying "i said I THINK"... now I proved you didn't say THINK.

"Right fair enough I said I think then I said I know"

No, you said you knew and then when I asked where your possy was you said "think". you changed your stance as usual as soon as you saw you were in a corner.  You went from saying you KNEW, to you THINK, and now most recently, that you both KNEW and THOUGHT. 

"I have no problem admitting a mistake"

Yeah, I would say that is your number one problem next to your arrogance on everything.


"I was thinking here about both picking and having it picked against you, therefore playing"

I'm sure you did, komo... i'm sure you did...

Quote from: Komo on October 29, 2010, 12:44 AM

Quote from: ShyGuy on October 28, 2010, 11:14 PM
Troll.

I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:

Quote from: ShyGuy
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....

Quote from: Komo
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic

Quote from: Komo on October 27, 2010, 12:28 PM
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,

Quote from: Komo
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

Shows you just aren't very clever lol, theres a difference between people playing and people picking, go figure it out for yourself, i'm seriously fed up with your poor intellect.

K, fine... you said you THINK people will play them is what you said, and you also said earlier "knowing that people will play them." so you are still contradicting yourself.

Pick or play... you are just grasping at straws now.. if they pick the scheme, then it will be played.. nice one troll.

Quote from: ShyGuy
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....

Quote from: Komo
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic

Quote from: Komo on October 27, 2010, 12:28 PM
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,

Quote from: Komo
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

Troll.

I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:

Quote from: ShyGuy
Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....

Quote from: Komo
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic

Quote from: Komo on October 27, 2010, 12:28 PM
so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,

Quote from: Komo
Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 09:29 PM
Ok Shy, I am dictacting your thoughts about SSR and TTRR because they are correct and you even know that, you DO like TTRR alot more than SSR, even if you like them both, the only reason you have the opinions you do about this suggestion is because you like some things more than the others

Seriously, f@#! off, troll.  You say shit like that and then say oh oh oh you get too personal and lose your temper muppet muppet muppet... I wonder why?  When you ignore what I say and replace it with "the only reason you" and "i dictate your thoughts because they are correct and you know it", I wanna f@#!ing kick you in the face because of how damn arrogant you are and always will be.  How about I start dictating your thoughts? okay, you quit tus singles not because you didn't get good points for wins, but because you feel too shitty whenever you lose a bng... afterall, you say bng is for fun, so why would you quit because of points? How do you like that? I just dictated your thoughts... and you know I am right... muppet muppet muppet.. look, I can be a komo, too!


"You said Rope is an element used more often than SSR which is why it's accepted as a scheme, go figure the rest out yourself."

You are the only one that disputes that... you are f@#!ing alone, komo.. why can't you see that? WHY?

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 09:29 PM
I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic, people wanna play classic more because it's the more popular and competitive league, if a few more schemes were introduced, I think they would play them because it is the more competitive and popular league everyone is playing.

"Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?"

Where did you say "think"? Where? where did you say it, you f@#!ing asshole? Contradicted yourself once again.

Here is another opinion of mine: I think everything komo says about anything should be disregarded unless it is about bng... he doesn't know shit about anything other than bng, so why should we listen to his twisted views on elites and t17? he knows NOTHING.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 09:29 PM
you can never stay calm, it's dissapointing.

You are right.. I can't, because you are such a good troll... if you honestly think you have been such a great person in discussing stuff, and other people getting mad is unjust and a disappointment, then you really need to do some self evaluation... You piss everyone off.. and when you say stuff like "you can never stay calm, it's disappointing" that strongly leads me to believe you are just trolling like a pathetic dick. Goodbye

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
It does actually, your opinion of SSR and TTRR is different because you like one ALOT more than the other, and you are used to TTRR in the league, if SSR was in TuS before you registered, and you didn't have a choice, I honestly don't think you would complain, I think you'd be happy with it, thus making a slightly BIAS decision on schemes.

Wtf? you are so god damn annoying... why don't you stop dictating my thoughts like you know them better than me...? ffs...
I have said numerous times in the past that roper should not be a league scheme... I am talking years ago... I didn't think roper was league worthy, and I still don't, which is one of the reasons why I advocated w2roper. If you really want my reasons as to why roper shouldn't be in the league, we can discuss that elsewhere.  The fact is, I HAVE complained about the legitimacy of schemes before, and just because YOU didn't know I did does not mean that you get to make some arrogant conclusion about how I would act towards something... especially something I have been arguing against this whole thread... I mean seriously, how can you come back and tell me how I would act if things were different?  You have no credence over my thoughts.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:36 PM

I've already said, those reasons don't really matter, it doesn't matter how useful a weapon is, or a single element, the main thing about a league like this is competitive and fun challenges and games, I think these 3 schemes would add to this, as both Bungee and SSR in their single element are VERY challenging, fun and competitive, even more so than TTRR in my opinion, it's easier to TTRR than it is to Bungee Race imo, SSR also, you can't fall and get another try usually with Bungee, like you do in TTRR, if you hit a wall with SS turn ends, unlike TTRR, so to me it'd be more fun and challenging, and competitive than TTRR... Another reason why I think they should be part of the Classic league.

Those reasons do matter.  You are probably the only one who doesn't acknowledge that.  I can guarantee what I have been saying has been common sense to the respected, experienced players of this game.  As for your comment about bungee difficulty vs ttrr difficulty, for me, personally, it didn't take years to get good at bungee like it did for rope... I am curious if that is the same with everyone else.  As for difficulty of getting mablak and dibz times in ttrr vs bungee skill? You have no argument there; it is much more difficult to achieve the former.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
I ignore your reasons for this point because I find them irrelevant to the discussion, why should SSR not be accepted just because Rope schemes are more popular?

your "why should ssr not be accepted just because rope schemes are more popular?" statement is irrelevant to the discussion.  The only thing I said about popularity was that ssr was unpopular.. I never made a statement about the popularity of roping schemes in correlation to the validity of ssr.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:36 PM
So I think your point about this has absolutely no relevance or hold for this debate, at least I honestly do not see why it should or even would.

Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

I advocated w2roper because of ALL OF THE REASONS I HAVE BEEN STATING THIS WHOLE DAMN TIME. I'm against 2 of your schemes because of the same reasons I have been posting.  You keep brushing my reasons off as irrelevant, but you are in the minority with that thinking.

Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league.... I have seen players continuing to support those schemes for the free league though... oh, but you think the free league is retarded.... so let's change the system for komo even though there are people happy with the way free league is now.

It'll be hard to find but I will look

nvm, found it!

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-38152/

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:03 PM
You DO like TTRR more than you like SSR, I think that's obvious.

And so what? that has nothing to do with any of the points I have been making at all.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:03 PM

Basically I wonder why you think TTRR (being a single element of the game) is fine to have as a scheme, although SSR isn't (being a single element of the game also).

I already gave multiple reasons.. I'll say them again;
TTRR is all about the rope; there are 3 schemes you can lose at just because you suck at the rope.
For ss, there is only ONE scheme that the ss is used crucially in, and even if you fail at the ss in elite, that doesn't mean you lose.  Plus, like cue said, you don't even have to have the element of ss in elite.

So when it comes to ttrr vs ssr, one severely complements THREE schemes while the other possibly complements one part of one scheme.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 08:03 PM
Basically the ONLY reason I see for this, is because it is more popular, and as i've already said, popularity doesn't decide Classic league schemes, otherwise BnG wouldn't be in, I think more SSR's would get played than BnG's, but BnG holds its position in the Classic league because it's always been there I guess.

Why do you ignore my other reasons and replace them for this incorrect one?  If that were true, then I wouldn't have advocated w2roper and wouldn't be advocating 30 sec rr... both of those schemes are unpopular...  my history automatically negates that statement you made...

good discussion

Yeah, it was my idea but it wasn't for komo.
we change our weapons from time to time when we want to mix things up.. there is a replay from last season i think where I made the winning move with a mole :p

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
Oh so, you think TTRR is vital because you like it more, but SSR isn't?

Wait... where the hell do you keep getting this "because you like it" stuff? I never said anything like that.. and i don't care if you wrote that statement in question form.. stop it.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
Sorry if I am wrong, but isn't TTRR just ONE element of the game as well? That's a bit hypocritical isn't it?

I addressed that EXACT statement in my previous post.. did you even read it?
"A note about ttrr:
Yes, ttrr you only get ropes and chutes, but this scheme is classic league valid because of how important the rope is to so many other schemes.  That is why a scheme centered on just the rope is acceptable, and why schemes centered on the bungee and ss are not... "

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
Rope isn't "important" to other schemes, it's just "used" in other schemes, for example, SS to me is more useful than Rope in both T17 AND Elite, and I am sure it is for other people also, and I am sure some will disagree and think of it vice-versa.

If you are terrible at roping, it is likely you will lose roper, shoppa, and wxw. those are 3 schemes that you can lose JUST because of your roping skill.  You can't say the same for ss. 

You are right about your last sentence, though, people will disagree and agree. I personally would say using your 2 ropes in elite is more important than the ss.  Remember, your opponent doesn't magically end up with 1 worm at the end.. you have to do stuff in the middle of the game... for me, I would always rope if there was a possible double skunk, and I know most people would use a rope to jump on a double skunk. 

As for t17, I disagree with you there, too.  There are many other sd weapons you can get in t17, not just ss.  But when you have a rope and your opponent doesn't, you have a huge advantage... you can hide all around them in unreachable places without having to worry about being killed... Also, they only give you 1 rope in t17.. you only have 1 time you can use it, so it is important when to use it.

good discussion

From the other topic:

I support 30 second rr... I think it would be a better indicator of skilled ropers, tbh... you also gotta have tactics in that scheme.. think about it... like if you are leading, do you continue to go at a fast pace and risk falling? or just kinda of cruise control it? if you are behind, do you want to try to catch up by rushing and risking falling? or hope for your opponent to fall? +1 for 30 second rr.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 07:22 PM

Going by your judgement, I could say Shyguy contradicted himself, but he didn't... He redefined his opinion, just like I did.

When?

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 11:58 AM

I am not saying SS is always a tight squeeze, but you cannot argue that SS is such a crucial shot of a game, most times i've seen someone really miss their SS they have lost because alot of the time they were counting on it to hit, and hit right, so SSR would be GREAT practise for this as well as being it's own competitive and fun scheme.

Adding a scheme just because it complements ONE element in ONE scheme doesn't make a lot of sense.  Like cue said, you don't have to have a ss for elite to be elite... that element doesn't even have to be there.


"I'd much rather have Bungee/SSR/Forts in the league than w2rope/30sRR/Intermediate."

I don't know why you are going on about w2rope/30srr/intermediate... I just named those as a rebuttal to you questioning me if I was stubborn on change... I am talking about ssr right now. But now that you mention it...

Bungeerace: I would once again argue that bungee is not a vital part of the game, thus making bungeerace a pickable scheme in classic league would be foolish.

SSR: Same reasoning as bungeerace.  Like Komo said, it is a vital move in elite, but that is just one element of one scheme... not enough for me.

Forts: I don't have a problem with forts.  You have to do well with your weapons, which you get a nice variety of. No problem with that scheme.

A note about ttrr:
Yes, ttrr you only get ropes and chutes, but this scheme is classic league valid because of how important the rope is to so many other schemes.  That is why a scheme centered on just the rope is acceptable, and why schemes centered on the bungee and ss are not...

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 06:51 AM

Why should the regularity of a weapon make it more important to you?

Because I have to use it more?

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 06:51 AM

SS is more important in Elite than Grenades or Zooks, I would say as equally important as rope depending on the situation, there are situations where rope is more useful/crucial and SS is more useful/crucial.

I would disagree.  You can use nades to beat up their hide, destroy their steps so they can't get out, use the mortar/nade combo damage them so then you can use the ss...
Players usually guard their last worm well from a ss, so often times we see the ss late into the game at high rise sd and it isn't so hard to plop them...

Komo, I get the impression you think people use ss in elite and it is some tight squeeze ssr adventure through the map... that is hardly ever the case, although there are cool replays of that.

Quote from: Komo on October 28, 2010, 06:51 AM

Anyway, is there any particular reason why you really don't want SSR? Or is it just because you don't like it and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?

I already gave particular reasons... and once again, I never said if I liked SSR or not, so stop with that.
"and you have a stubborn happiness of what you are already used to in Leagues?"
I have publicly advocated w2roper, 30 second rr, and intermediate being entered into the league... Why don't you stop talking out of your ass?

"I'll ask you this then, is there ANY scheme YOU would like to see introduced to the Classic League?"

Yes, read above. 

revised then: you barely use ss compared to other weapons