Yeh the refresh has less macros but the G15 has like 18 which is useless

franz I had actually read that topic at T17 actually not long ago and I thought i'd make the same topic here. But none in the list caught my attention they are either old or crappy (zboard for exemple, it could be the best kb in the world it looks so awful). But thanks for your help.

I actually almost bought the G15 refresh (with orange light), because I had found a very nice price on a french site. But the orange light and how it looks stopped me. This is dumb no keylock on old g15 (which everyone finds better) but keylock on the new one x_x As Madden says I had read on some forums those logitech g11 g15 etc aren't that nice anyway, you pay because it's labelled as"gamer" but it's nothing special. Same with Razer keyboards, it seems it's bad quality for the expensive price it is.

Aye puto, I know the G15 but I don't like how it looks, screen and too many macros etc

Please say what keyboard you use and most importantly if it has keylock or not. To test it : http://www.microsoft.com/appliedsciences/AntiGhostingExplained.mspx For exemple 4 arrows + space at the same time and see if they are all accepted.  I'll update this post to make a list.


No keylock : Logitech G11, G15, Logitech media elite, Microsoft Wired 500 (Numpad), Dell Sk-8100, Razer Tarantula

Keylock : All Cherry models, Logitech G15 Refresh, Logitech Ultra-Flat

Nice to hear he is ok but I'm actually more worried about Shyguy lately

There have always been leagues like LW ("language" league), Rotated league in cl2k, or even 2 leagues at the same time, for singles or clanners or both. Still there always was one main successful league, with all best players fighting hard and playoffs played quickly. And I wouldn't call free/classic successful.
I know cfc is active, i said that in my previous post, but I'm talking about activity of good clans. Only dC and cfc are good and active as I said.


Good night? xD

"Actually, KRD is on your side of the arguement, he just got me thinking about some things."

I know, he messaged me in ag and got me thinking about this topic again. I meant maybe you listen more to KRD than me, auha

"There are lots of clans clanning now, but the majority of them play for fun, cuz well, it's more fun most of the time lol."

Or maybe cuz it's dead and noone cares about playoffs

"I've never seen a drop in activity, there is more activity now, just not at the same things, activity is split across different leagues, the average "competitive player" participates in 2-4 different leagues nowadays, with TuS Classic/Free league/TEL/NNNL/LW/a2b/Kaos and more, if you join a few of these, trust me, you will notice more activity than you realised, just gotta pick the right leagues at the right time, to me, this choice is better than in the old days where you only had like 1 main league to play, you have a very good variety of competitive leagues to suit everyones needs."


There have always been leagues like this, and the main league was still more active/competitive than it is now.


"And I am talking about way way way before FB,"

Yeh let's not talk about fb and move on, auha


I'm talking about "facts" because I don't feel like I'm defending past times, (didn't even talk about it in my "bump" post), I feel like i'm just stating the obvious. Whatever

"As for your statement about clanners flex, I don't judge my opinion on statistics, there are around 10-15 clans with extremely good players that could easily reach the top 3 spots if they "wanted" to"

That's why I talk about activity... There used to be all the good clans every night clanning, now they don't play. It's not even arguments, it's facts. And about only ropers before this is a very bold statement, in fb you had to be a good allrounder too... TUS is better than fb, but there way more activity of good clans and players. I'm not trying to defend past times for the sake of it, or to look cool. I'm just saying facts. But it seems you have different criterias than me and I'm not KRD, so I guess we'll never agree.

Free as I said it's not really a "problem", I'm not complaining as we can't change it, I just state the obvious to prove there have been better times (which was the subject of the discussion)

So... Last time I posted in this topic I gave you all the benefit of the doubt, as I had been back since one month or so. Since then I've played like once a day, so I have a more concrete idea of what w:a/TUS is right now. And while searching for a clanner forever everytime, I couldn't help but thinking about this topic with a smile on my face. Also some people messaged me in ag to say they agree with me, that was enough to not resist to post again.

Maybe there are dozens of good players out there (Hi Komo). But the thing is, it's not the problem. The problem is their activity.  The competitive players are only active in TEL. "Problem" isn't really the right word, because as I said, worms is as it is, why bother? Don't worry I will sleep well tonight. But I'm answering to the bandwagon who said "worms is in its prime", which is a nice running gag, it makes me laugh every time I go in #ag.

Let's take a look at clanners https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-stats/

There are basically dC cfc and others. And bp starting strong. 2 good (basing on their stats) and active clans in the top, some other clans with mediocre stats (and still in the top), and in the end some active noob clans (no offense, everyone has to start blabla) mm which isn't good now for many reasons.

Lets take a look at singles https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/classic-stats/

This a fact, competitive players don't play this anymore. I recognize 2 names of a good clan here : Lalo and daina, and look at their stats, better than a long story. There is Almog, I don't know him but he's always been on top of leagues but his stats aren't that good, it would be interesting to read is point of view.

Only a one-scheme league which is competitive and TUS classic deserted by good players, this is a bit "light" to say that worms is in its best time. But I guess some people here are overrating the present to pretend they've been fighting hard to succeed

No long post, i'm disapointed

Quote from: Husk on January 12, 2011, 06:29 PM
thats just ur rant about how much better wa used to be than it is now o: i think clans like cf, cfc, mm and ps could give very good match against any of those fb time clans.

also there are several players in mm from x2x and dt (: so mm should be dominating?

It's not a rant, Komo asked me to share my point of view, I couldnt let him down after his long post . And then I felt like giving an exemple, but I knew it would make people cringe.  So I don't know what your point is, if you feel it was intended for you it's not my problem.

"also there are several players in mm from x2x and dt"

Well spotted Sherlock, but is all of mm active? No. And Mablak doesn't play clanners much. dt = mm active + some who joined at some time, ropa, anubis...
And I dont know who was in x2x, maybe dibz, but not the active members nino/shyguy/avi
CF seem inactive in clanners, ps I don't know them.

But nowadays no clan tops the ones I quoted. Maybe I'm wrong as people disagree with something which I thought was obvious, but it won't make me change my mind.


That's all I'll have to say about the subject, I'm not gonna talk about this forever and it's kinda pointless, worms is as it is and it's fine, Komo you got my point

I know he started owning in cl2k, so yea, every league except WL, lolz
And if he played tus he would own it aswell, he already owned TEL yet he has more challenge than in other schemes like roper or rr for exemple :p


And  for exemple for old clans like bS, x2x, susuii, OSW, dt, Starcoma etc clanners nowadays would be a piece of cake, give me a break lol

"into leagues" I mean you weren't obseded by it, I do remember you were on forums and all, and you clanned with SfX sometimes, but I don't recall you playing singles that much, but that's another story lulz

About the top players you mentioned, the thing is I didn't play with them since 2-3 years (Crash Dulek) or don't know them (South americans as I said). And I thought Dark was inactive. And still, our list combined makes 10 people. We can argue about lists like this forever but it's dumb and noone cares, the thing is so few top players that's easy to list. But maybe there's some misunderstanding here, maybe we don't have the same definition of top player, and you tend to overrate people, that's your bright size of life thing auha


"acknowledged the difference in todays needs as a competitive player"

What's the difference? In fb you had to be a good allarounder too


And dude, noone is even close to Mablak, I'm not an asslicker but it's just facts, he owned every league, rr challenges, and now tel :p

Quote from: Komito on January 12, 2011, 08:08 AM
*** LONG POST WARNING ***

Dunno why but it made me lol


So first I have nothing against TUS, I talk about the older leagues as reference points in the time and because there were more people playing.

I'm not gonna quote your whole post but I've read it all.  You talk about replays patches colour maps etc but they already were around at cl2k (not at its start obviously) and FB  

"More competitive because of the top players who have been playing since the beginning consistently"

I think the exact opposite (bad english but you'll get the point) and that's my main criteria : There are less active competitive clans/players than before. Remember nino's thread about the FB awards? In those lists 90% of the people are gone. I can even list the top players of nowadays : Mablak/Franz/Mirux/Random and maybe some that I don't know in the south-american crowd. And then a few others in specific schemes like bng and elite.

And even, less activity at all. (I don't talk about shoppa noobs) Yes TUS is active, but playoffs aren't played since what, 4 seasons? In previous leagues it was a big event. And clanners it's even worse, people have a hard time finding clanners.  Nowadays it's mostly noob bashing. I don't blame it, if I log on to clanner I'll play with whoever wants to too, it's just that as I said, there are less good players / clans. And after a while it's boring to play noobs, I know I'd prefer a good game.

But I'm thinking about something, you haven't really been into leagues no? Especially before you got mad with bng Because you don't seem to realize the difference, and you've been around for longer than me.
And not only in league, dude, just think for a second about all the good players/clans you knew over the years, there are so many o_0 And now compare with nowadays, it's just 4-5 people above everyone and 4-5 gd clans.


The community is still better than 3-4 years ago, where it was really dead. I really thought w:a was dead for good, there was no league at all for a while. (XTC = big fail ) So on that point I agree with you, the game turned out better than what I thought too.



gl reading this mess and it will be my only long post it takes too much time, I'm not used to it, I'm not a forum diva like you

For me era = league successful (and ranks) And as far as I know there hasn't been only tus. So people get a clue, ty.
And Komo it's not a personnal attack, if you're happy with the game/community good for you. But in all objectivity there have been better times on all levels.