Kinslayer, are you alive? I've sent you pm ages ago.

Quote from: Ivo on June 02, 2010, 12:38 PM
So, if others say some stupiditys I can say it too. hmmm

Sure, if you have no own head on the shoulders.

Quote from: Ivo on June 02, 2010, 12:38 PM
Ouch. This is so open minded! Let me say what I think: "Me, TT, I'm the TUS boss. We will organize an "intermediate" cup. If it would not was the presence of ONL guys, this cup would be enven more sad than our TNL. But even that, we will play this cup with our TNL scheme! The majority of the players prefer the NNNL scheme, but we can not allow it to be the default scheme because we are TUS! The rival of NNN comunity! They are the enemy! Even if they have the well known of intermediate, and explained us that our TNL scheme is a crap, what I had nothing better to say that waiting for SD pisses me off, we can not allow it!! Because we are TUS! Because they are ONL guys! Because yes! Because this pisses me off! Because I'm the boss! Because, because, hmm... because what, btw?!?!"

NNN members are so friendly

Quote from: Ivo on June 02, 2010, 07:29 AMthe game become interesting because the opponent of the player who wants to wait for SD is not interested that he can achieve this

Lol, come on, watching how people just wait turn by turn doesn't make the game more interesting in any way.

Quote from: Ivo on June 02, 2010, 07:29 AMthe "this pisses me off" argument is not the best one

Well, I've heard the same from many people. Your friend Koras is one of them, btw.

Quote from: Ivo on June 02, 2010, 07:29 AMBut, since the majority of the people who posted here, the majority of the people who will play the cup (and that people, you know, are the top and best players in this style, so the ones who has the stronger and better knowledge from the style) seemed to prefer the NNN luckness scheme, why not NNNl scheme be the default and only if 2 players agree with it, playing with TNL?

Because this is the cup hosted by TUS. Host yours and play it with NNN scheme, why not?

Okay, combining Nail's and Mablak's posts to answer: yes, the problem for me is that SD moment is unpredictable. Such a dramatic change of game situation can't be random. I may agree with the fact that it may spawn some interesting strategies and such. But, I guess you know about another aspect of this, pretty ugly one, the thing called "waiting for SD". Some players build the whole game in the way that they just jerk around, doing nothing special and wasting their time on purpose, and this really pisses me off sometimes.

Too lazy to read it, Nail, sorry
Disregard that, read your post. Well, I can remember Mablak losing to me just because of SD, and I can remember myself losing to less skilled players so many times because of this (and winning too, for sure).

Also, Joschi, would you be kind enough to stop smiting me, thanks ^^

Don't be afraid of non-standard moves! 11:00.

Thanks M1, was fun indeed! Hope to see more such tourneys in the future.
Congrats to winners

Quote from: Error on May 29, 2010, 08:29 PM
even more i have nothing against nnnl scheme at all...

Yeah same, but this discussion is just funny

Imagine two boxers competing in the long bout. The one is leading the fight, winning each round by points, but still fails to finish with KO. What is the logical end for the fight then? Yeah, the winner is that one who has more points, earning them during the whole match. And now just imagine that after the end of 11th round announcer says, "SD, bitches!" and discards their points. So then few lucky punches in round 12 may decide the whole match! Lame? Sure, it is.

Quote from: IvoI still not to understand why you think that 1hp SD reduction is a lucky based thing.

This:

Quoteyou may calculate the time when round timer turns 0, but still SD may come that turn or the turn after that.

Quote from: Joschi on May 29, 2010, 01:13 PM
You help other people, who aren't able to change arguments at a low level.

Wut?

Quote from: Joschi on May 29, 2010, 01:13 PM
Sadly you missed the points. Maybe on a second try?

Wut?

Quote from: Joschi
lol Error, Koras ownes you in both schemes, TNL and NNN scheme. Doesn't matter which of this two schemes you pick. That's what he tried to pointed out, by calling your opinion 'not valuable'.

Quote from: Joschi
You wonder why we ask for playing NNN scheme? Humm... let's think.. Maybe because it's the scheme of our league and we play it all the time?! And we are the biggest part of Intermediate players at all?!

Joschi, stop showing everybody your butthurts You smite and insult people with different opinions and start lame troll war instead of answering questions each time you come here. That makes damn good image for NNN clan and personally you, hehe.

Quote from: Joschi on May 29, 2010, 11:34 AM
Someone wants to bet on TNL supporters for win?

Quote from: NAiL on May 28, 2010, 08:53 PM
no1 you know

Apparently, no1 you know

Quote from: NAiL on May 28, 2010, 08:53 PM
Instead of being sarcastic, why not explain why you disagree with me?

There are two kinds of schemes: basically lucky ones (shopper, team17 (inb4 angry t17 fanboys bashing me for this), comet dodging) and those which pretend to rely on players' skills (ttrr, elite, bng). I believe that intermediate is the scheme from second category. It's essential (c) to develop the rules for these schemes in the way which reduces amount of luck, right? Another point is that you can't neutralize luck with luck. That means, if you put more lucky elements in the game, you shouldn't expect to get something more fair than it was before. Conversely, you'll get something even more luck-based. And 1hp SD is exactly that element of luck - you may calculate the time when round timer turns 0, but still SD may come that turn or the turn after that.

Quote from: NAiL on May 28, 2010, 11:39 AM
couple of people who had no clue about the scheme whined about reduction

Who?

Quote from: NAiL on May 28, 2010, 11:39 AM
it also gives you another chance of winning if you've been unlucky with placement, especially on cave maps. Reduction makes things fairer, really!

Ye lmao, if you were unlucky with placement, you may get some luck back with SD. I love this kind of logic

Quote from: NAiL on May 28, 2010, 11:39 AM
if you've been unlucky with placement

That's why inter is played bo3 or bo5.

Nah MI, I don't mean I dislike new version because of random numbers and shit

The current url design is more tidy than subdomainal one because you have constant decreasing of site part size there:
tus-wa.com [the whole thing] -> category [lesser] -> page [lesser]

As for my taste, this is better than
category -> tus-wa.com [bigger] -> page [much lesser]

Anyway, it's just my uneducated opinion, nothing of what you should really listen to

Quote from: Koras on May 27, 2010, 11:05 AM
rotfl its not discussion about my poor english, so typical for You

Lol? I'm okay with your English, I'm well used to it. "Grotesque" is that ridiculous shit about cluster power.

Quote from: Koras on May 27, 2010, 11:05 AM
especially when U dont have arguments at all 

At least I'm not using arguments like "1hp SD is essential" or "TNL scheme sux, I dislike it, because I do" Well, anyway, arguing about this is pointless, as we won't come to agreement. So I'm just having fun, and you are doing the same