hello

the thing is , we were playing a Roper against mm ,  hp was 254 for me ,96 for seba , 58 statik and 59 avirex , statik his turn, but unfortunately seba crashed , then free left to rh ...

avirex rhed and we asked for handicap for them , but as u probably assume , he refused , then i told him we were gonna let mods decide how to remake this ...

so , what to do? shall we play with handicap for them (thats all i was asking) , or rmake from the beginning ?

tx and sorry for the inconvenient

here is the log , the replay is attached to this post :

[2012-08-28 23.34.40] ••• Guaton`TaG is joining a game on DirectIP named "", hosted by Direct IP
[2012-08-28 23.34.41] ••• Successfully joined game. Players are: mm`avirex, mm-statik, mm-free, seBaTaG, Guaton`TaG
[2012-08-28 23.34.47] <seBaTaG> me cai yo? Dx
[2012-08-28 23.34.49] [Guaton`TaG] si
[2012-08-28 23.34.52] ••• Player joined: Tiqmm
[2012-08-28 23.35.05] [seBaTaG] minimo que se pongan un par de menos
[2012-08-28 23.35.07] [seBaTaG] xd
[2012-08-28 23.35.20] [Guaton`TaG] yeah handicap for mm would be fair
[2012-08-28 23.35.50] [mm-statik] give them 3 worms xd
[2012-08-28 23.36.04] [Tiqmm] jees
[2012-08-28 23.36.42] [Guaton`TaG] i want to see a minus next to ur team
[2012-08-28 23.36.44] [mm-statik] handicap is too easy win ^^
[2012-08-28 23.36.49] [mm`avirex] ur not gonna see that
[2012-08-28 23.36.51] [mm-statik] in roper
[2012-08-28 23.36.52] [mm`avirex] u lagged out, not us
[2012-08-28 23.36.58] [Guaton`TaG] i didnt
[2012-08-28 23.37.01] [Guaton`TaG] as seba
[2012-08-28 23.37.04] [Guaton`TaG] i could have keep playing
[2012-08-28 23.37.05] [seBaTaG] el culiao mal agradecido
[2012-08-28 23.37.06] [Guaton`TaG] but free left
[2012-08-28 23.37.07] [mm`avirex] you as in TaG
[2012-08-28 23.37.13] [Guaton`TaG] just asking for handicap , fair thing
[2012-08-28 23.37.15] [mm-statik] -.-
[2012-08-28 23.37.16] [mm`avirex] u cant keep playing when somone lag out, its a rehost (is that a rule or something? btw)
[2012-08-28 23.37.18] [seBaTaG] le dejamos jugar el rr porque el otro tenia lag xD
[2012-08-28 23.37.23] [Guaton`TaG] u are gonna be even with more health , dont be a pussy avirex
[2012-08-28 23.37.24] [mm`avirex] or ppl would just quit for the 2v1 advantage
[2012-08-28 23.37.27] [Guaton`TaG] indeed (abut what seba told me in spanish)
[2012-08-28 23.37.33] [Guaton`TaG] i f@#!ing let u play the rr
[2012-08-28 23.37.34] [Tiqmm]
[2012-08-28 23.37.37] [Guaton`TaG] stop acting like a fool
[2012-08-28 23.37.40] [mm`avirex] that was very noble of you
[2012-08-28 23.37.43] [seBaTaG] oye guaton tengo que salir
[2012-08-28 23.37.43] [Guaton`TaG] u know im right
[2012-08-28 23.37.44] [mm`avirex] now light up pussy clot
[2012-08-28 23.37.52] [seBaTaG] dejemoslo hasta aca, otro dia jugamos su pick
[2012-08-28 23.37.58] [Guaton`TaG] este es el pick de ellos
[2012-08-28 23.38.02] [Tiqmm] pamahda sit ku lopetellaan wa ni FB:hen viel
[2012-08-28 23.38.09] [Guaton`TaG] k , then upload it to TuS and we will see what happen
[2012-08-28 23.38.10] [mm`avirex] thats as fair as i will get
[2012-08-28 23.38.12] [Guaton`TaG] im done with u faggot
[2012-08-28 23.38.14] ••• Session ended


i dont want any1 around this post talking stuff about "oh oh fair play oh blah" , cos avirex doesnt deserve anything like that , not coming from me .

Yea its true that you really can't keep playing when drop because of the 2v1 advantage unless both agree.

I didn't play but I'd say Avi should put handicap even though the fault was on your clan end.

Avi can be so avi sometimes.

oh.. don't make me start to hate league games again were my first after a while

Quote from: Free on August 29, 2012, 04:10 PM
Yea its true that you really can't keep playing when drop because of the 2v1 advantage unless both agree.

I thought the same until I've read it's not like this.
You can leave while playing 2v2 and use the piling tactic without breaking any rule.

Trying to take advantage of the situation, mm?

Replay with appropriate handicaps.

and how it would be?

cos since i had 250 , seba 90 and  avirex-statik 50+ ...

150 for me and seba and hadicap for them?

Quote from: fr4nk on August 29, 2012, 05:08 PM

Quote from: Free on August 29, 2012, 04:10 PM
Yea its true that you really can't keep playing when drop because of the 2v1 advantage unless both agree.

I thought the same until I've read it's not like this.
You can leave while playing 2v2 and use the piling tactic without breaking any rule.

Is this true mods?

That's seriously wrong and can be abused so badly it's not even funny.

And other schemes besides roper, also allowed?

This just can't be true..

Scheme rules were never finalized in TUS they're full of things like these.

Here's hoping it's one of the cool features of TU2.0. "Having rules".

Dude I had the same reaction lol
Yeh, you can do that in every scheme if I remember right.

Quote from: fr4nk on August 29, 2012, 05:08 PM
I thought the same until I've read it's not like this.
You can leave while playing 2v2 and use the piling tactic without breaking any rule.

Can you quote the section in the rules concerning that? I only read this:

QuoteIf one player lags out and returns to the given channel, the game should be continued with handicap or restarted.

And concerning leaving the game:

QuoteOnly acceptable way of quitting is if the quitting is reasonable and the quitting player agrees with his/her opponent on playing the game another time.

Quote from: ropa on August 29, 2012, 08:08 PM
Scheme rules were never finalized in TUS they're full of things like these.

Here's hoping it's one of the cool features of TU2.0. "Having rules".

If you spot a flaw, you know there are other options rather than pointing it out. Maybe you could "do" something and "finalize" it yourself?

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on August 30, 2012, 03:14 AM

Quote from: ropa on August 29, 2012, 08:08 PM
Scheme rules were never finalized in TUS they're full of things like these.

Here's hoping it's one of the cool features of TU2.0. "Having rules".

If you spot a flaw, you know there are other options rather than pointing it out. Maybe you could "do" something and "finalize" it yourself?

If I spot a flaw, I point it out, you have a bunch of staff to take care of it. If you want me to write the rules asking like that is not going to get you anywhere (not saying that asking nicely would, either way).

Reasonable enough?

Chakk we are talking about 2v2, I'm sure there was a complaint time ago where I read it's allowed to leave.

i think they are failing to mention that i gave guaton a + and everyone else regular health...


its not my fault they lagged out.... giving extreme health handicaps in a brand new game is totally unfair....


is a + to guaton not enough??


what do you extra cool guys think there should be in a situation that they lagged out??

++ vs -- ?

Quote from: avirex on August 30, 2012, 03:09 PM
i think they are failing to mention that i gave guaton a + and everyone else regular health...


its not my fault they lagged out.... giving extreme health handicaps in a brand new game is totally unfair....


is a + to guaton not enough??


what do you extra cool guys think there should be in a situation that they lagged out??

++ vs -- ?

I guess it could work fairly this way:

Give + and -'s accordingly amongst the game's limits to match the health before lagout as closely as possible.

If the team that had an advantage lagged out, give health to the point where the advantage is closer to the game prior to lagout but never a bigger advantage.

If the team that had a disadvantage lagged out, give health to the point where the disadvantage is closer to the game prior to lagout but never a smaller disadvantage. So potentially, if you're losing and lag out, depending on health values, the disadvantage could be even worse in the new game.

The second option is more punishing to avoid abusing this rule. And the first one ensures you cannot abuse mathematics to get a bigger lead by lagging out when winning and abusing the game limits (when putting handicaps).

off topic: 4.0 will take care so much care of this and will be such an improvement for leagues (being able to resume games online)