Seasonal Points is great now, problem solved imo, but Overall points still needs a bit of fixing maybe?

Over the last 3-4 days, cFc have won 18 games in a row, then lost 1, then won 5, then lost 1, then won 1 then lost 3.

That's 26-5, I think that's a good run against some really strong clans, yet, before these games we were at around 6536, and after, we are at 6538, it kinda feels like we are being punished a bit for being active/good, don't you think?

I'm only pointing this out to see if anyone agrees with me, I ain't mad or anything lol, if anything I am happy with the 26-5 against really good clans xD

start by not viewing wins and losses equally.
26-5 depends highly on who exactly each win and loss comes from.

as long as those 5 losses were strong and high rated opponents, you won't lose much.
and as long as those 26 wins were not weaker and lower rated opponents, you should be gaining plenty.

Overall points = skill of the average squad of a clan. And the current skill (=overall points) of cfc's average squad is quite high, which means that you stay at your skill level when you win 26-5. So it makes pretty much sense that your overall points are the same as well...

And franz has also a good point, cause I think that the current overall points of CF or cFc need a winning percentage of ~70% to stay the same (against average clans).

liesss its freakin conspiracy of the masons and NWO new wormnet order aee

Quote from: franz on September 22, 2011, 07:03 AM
start by not viewing wins and losses equally.
26-5 depends highly on who exactly each win and loss comes from.

as long as those 5 losses were strong and high rated opponents, you won't lose much.
and as long as those 26 wins were not weaker and lower rated opponents, you should be gaining plenty.

Well look at all the games, and look at the clans, CF doesn't lose alot of points cuz they simply don't play as much as us, they have less risk of losing so much, other clans don't have alot of points because they don't play enough...

I don't intend to sound rude, but over the last 2 Seasons cFc have outplayed CF in everyway, yet we've lost 500 points overall, we were above 7000.

I honestly can't wrap my head around winning 18 games in a row, losing a few, and ending up at the same place.

It's not something that I panic about my life over, I don't go to work thinking "OH f@#! OUR POINTS SHIT GET THE ANDROID OUT!" I don't sit with a box of kleenex strapped to my forehead crying "I HATE THE POINT SYSTEM".

You would think, with cFc winning every Season Standings for a while and winning the last PO's we would at least have the same bloody points as CF who play less than half the amount of games with a win & difference less than 4%.

I know it's alot to do with what games are played etc, it's not so much us losing/winning games that's the problem, it's the fact you have alot of clans who lose alot of games with their bad players, and when we beat them with their good players (a huge risk) we get buggar all for it, even though it's extremely hard to beat them.

I honestly think clanners should have some sort of handicap for more realistic standings, there must be a solution.

Do you understand what I am getting at though franz?

FU @ all the smiters, losers lol.

you  make some excellent points komo... cfc owns!

when i see a size of the post i dont have to look on the author`s name, ur posts are so characteristic komo almost like they would all have same number of letters or something they are almost an art

The overall ratings shouldn't be sky high, it's just there to keep clans ranked from best to worst. When I look at the overall standings, I gotta agree with the system. I do understand you or any1 from cFc and CF wanting to get a better overall rating. With the current system, it's going to take an even more impressive winning percentage. If a clan wants to get a sky high overall rating, they'd have to play with their best teams for every pick every clanner. I don't think that's rational.

Quote from: Komito on September 22, 2011, 01:05 PM

I don't intend to sound rude, but over the last 2 Seasons cFc have outplayed CF in everyway, yet we've lost 500 points overall, we were above 7000.

You would think, with cFc winning every Season Standings for a while and winning the last PO's we would at least have the same bloody points as CF who play less than half the amount of games with a win & difference less than 4%.

ROFL

the system is fine....   like husk said, your pretty much at the peak of the mountain komo (is that what you wanted to hear?)

sure, you guys can go a little higher, but its going to be harder for you, because you clan is superior (how about that?)

other clans are not nearly on your level yet (cough) so, we get points much easier....


for us lower skilled clans (sneeze) we are competing to reach the top, but for high clans like yourself (ahem) and CF, you are competing to keep the top, and keep the lower skilled where they are....

the system isnt build for endless growth, thats the point you need to understand ;s

I just had a look at the last 40 games from CF and cFc. CF won 213 Overall points, cFc won 1 point, while both had a similar winning percentage. I spotted 2 obvious reasons for this phenomenon:
1. cFc won a lot less points for their own picks (I guess you guys don't consider the analyzer foor your picks)
2. cFc lost most of their points in this time against mm. I guess this was basically Mablak's/mm's fault. They just dont balance their games a lot, which means they have big ups and downs in their overall rating. And of course, if you play a lot against them, you will also have these ups and downs.

I just still think the overall rating is perfectly doing its job.

and one last thing that I feel should have a comment from me:

Quote from: Komito on September 22, 2011, 01:05 PM
I don't intend to sound rude, but over the last 2 Seasons cFc have outplayed CF in everyway, [...]

CF won 78 overall points from cFc this season winning 4 games while losing 2; thats the facts.

There's a limit to how many points a clan can reach and keep, depends somewhat on the variance in skill of all of its members. cFc reached the limit it seems. We're getting very close too, we didn't gain a lot of overall points in the last say 30 games either.

I'm getting a deja vu here.

CF cheats. The system calculates better points for we are funnier people.

Another senseless topic, komo