MOLE CHAMPIONSHIP 2VS2 (2022)

That wont erase Quais mistakes we got it on camera

Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake? Before we started this game, no rules were described, except that this is bo3.

Your statement "I thought you would know" is incorrect in relation to the players of the cup, with the same success you can devalue any games by introducing the rules after the game.

p.s. I'm ready to play again, don't worry.

Quote from: SIBASA on June 13, 2021, 05:54 PM
Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake?

Nobody told you to modify the scheme. Nobody.

Besides, you really saw nothing wrong with starting a new round with 2x clusters and Holy? You really saw nothing wrong?

Quote from: ZorroX on June 13, 2021, 05:59 PM

Quote from: SIBASA on June 13, 2021, 05:54 PM
Why should we replay because of a cup moderator's mistake?

Nobody told you to modify the scheme. Nobody.

Besides, you really saw nothing wrong with starting a new round with 2x clusters and Holy? You really saw nothing wrong?

We played according to the declared scheme indicated in the cup - it initially has all the characteristics and modifications, and there was no question of turning them off. Naturally, all the participants in the game were surprised, because this is not typical for a mole, but we did not argue with this and play further, since we knew that we were playing according to the correct scheme provided by you.

Your reproaches as to whether this did not embarrass us are again not correct, since it was you who did not take care of in advance and did not describe the detailed rules. Why should the cup players think for you?

lol Sibasa is just goddamn disappointed now that their victories were void I'd be pissed off as well a bit in his place
no worries Siba, you can do it again

Quote from: SIBASA on June 13, 2021, 05:54 PM
We played according to the declared scheme indicated in the cup - it initially has all the characteristics and modifications

One characteristics is that it's Bo1, NOT Bo3. Somebody changed it and I get accusations for the host's custom settings.

EDIT: Oh... Just now I see that the host was Lupastic. Then I don't understand, Sibasa, why do you vouch that you played the proper scheme if you weren't even the host. Please don't point fingers at your Mod next time, if it's your opponent, who is responsible for transferring your weapons.

EDIT 2: I consulted the whole situation with Danie and he says:
"Maybe you can manage this way.... Is not fair for Lupastic to lose the next rounds because of weapons that Run kept, but It's also not fair for Run to waste all his effort just to play again and with 1:0 against him. So the best decision is playing again bo3 without keeping weapons"

Meaning that the score is 0:0. We can't just ignore 2 rounds in a row being won by Sibasa&Run, and let others keep their 0:1, who triggered Weapons Transfer. Go fight till 2:0 or 2:1 but with ORIGINAL Bo1 settings and from 0:0!

Quote from: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 11:38 AM
well it doesn't matter now, everyone has already started playing their matches like this, so we gotta stick to the chosen scheme ^^ next time try to organize it better

Wrong. Nobody has played their matches, by modifying Bo1 to Bo3 like you did, Lupastic. So yes, please stick to the chosen scheme like you said. Don't change it.

Have a good day everyone,
Your loving Mods

Quote from: ZorroX on June 13, 2021, 11:35 PM
EDIT: Oh... Just now I see that the host was Lupastic. Then I don't understand, Sibasa, why do you vouch that you played the proper scheme if you weren't even the host. Please don't point fingers at your Mod next time, if it's your opponent, who is responsible for transferring your weapons.

EDIT 2: I consulted the whole situation with Danie and he says:
"Maybe you can manage this way.... Is not fair for Lupastic to lose the next rounds because of weapons that Run kept, but It's also not fair for Run to waste all his effort just to play again and with 1:0 against him. So the best decision is playing again bo3 without keeping weapons"

Meaning that the score is 0:0. We can't just ignore 2 rounds in a row being won by Sibasa&Run, and let others keep their 0:1, who triggered Weapons Transfer. Go fight till 2:0 or 2:1 but with ORIGINAL Bo1 settings and from 0:0!

Quote from: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 11:38 AM
well it doesn't matter now, everyone has already started playing their matches like this, so we gotta stick to the chosen scheme ^^ next time try to organize it better

Wrong. Nobody has played their matches, by modifying Bo1 to Bo3 like you did, Lupastic. So yes, please stick to the chosen scheme like you said. Don't change it.

Have a good day everyone,
Your loving Mods

HOWEVER, you still forget about one thing dear mod

"Mole Championships 2vs2 - 2022

All games - Bo3
Final Game - Bo5
2 worms per each partner (4 worms in each team)

DOUBLE ELIMINATION  "

This is what the description of your cup told. I hosted bo3, because the fokkin description of the cup says it..  (and that was BEFORE we found out all the bad stuff with carrying the weapons and etc..)

"Wrong. Nobody has played their matches, by modifying Bo1 to Bo3 like you did, Lupastic. So yes, please stick to the chosen scheme like you said. Don't change it." ... ----> what you said here 
so yeah this is just getting more and more ridicolous now Thought we might quit this, and Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized, and everything is clear from the start, and the rules and the bio of the cup will not be changing day by day

Quote from: Lupastic on June 14, 2021, 01:44 AM
Thought we might quit this, and Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized, and everything is clear from the start, and the rules and the bio of the cup will not be changing day by day

You have 1 scheme to load and you leave it after loading. That's all. That's not rocket science. You play Bo3 without touching the scheme. The ONLY reason this 13 year old scheme is set to Bo1 is because that is the ONLY way for weapons to disappear. (at least as far as I know, I haven't found a better way). You should have realised you messed up, once the 2nd round started. You cannot blame others for your custom settings.

Imagine that after loading I change my Hysteria scheme to "Automatic Teleport", and I go blame admins that their Cup is not well prepared because I can't put my worms where I want. When I am confronted I say "what... You didn't tell me I can't modify, instructions were not clear!"

The scheme that you are loading is 13 years old. Nobody ever changed Bo1 to Bo3 because it's just a foolish idea. It's obvious to everybody that weapons might go to the next rounds, by doing it. I understand that you are new to Moles, and you assumed they wouldn't transfer, but please Sir, be a man and at least don't blame others for your actions. I am not even requiring you to admit your mistake like you want to do with me. All I want is for people to chill, and appreciate the possibility of having good fun here. I am here to provide you guys as good service as I can and explain anything unclear.

QuoteThought we might quit this, and Echiko and me will join the next mole cup, when it's properly organized, and everything is clear from the start, and the rules and the bio of the cup will not be changing day by day

Bio of the cup changing day by day? Uno momento... where? Today it's literally the very 1st Update that I have ever done to the rules' description. Maybe I should also include that the cup is designed for real players, not for difficult people, looking for things to complain about and threatening to leave, yes I regret not saying it there...

I am not a moderator of Cups, only Challenges and Tournaments, i've had a few players here message me asking if I can make official decisions however i'm sorry I cannot.

If I could step in and offer a friendly outside perspective and suggestion though.

Both sides here have very valid points, yet at the same time neither side wants to admit wrongdoing, that's quite natural don't worry about it.

You all love this game right? You all love being part of the community yeah? My guess is you guys play because you have passion for the scheme, it's not just about winning, you love this game.

You guys are all very active and setting a great example to the rest of the community for your activity. That's great!

A mistake was made, it's quite innocent, it's an unfortunate example of the language barrier we face playing players all over the world. Rather than fight, we can work together and create a solution.

Rather than fail to admit defeat in an argument, why not forget about that for a moment and remember that you love this game. Agree to fix the scheme or agree to play how the Cup Moderator wishes it to be played and start over for the games with complaints. It's not going to kill you, and showing each other respect will only help to grow your community.

We're a small community, do each other a favour, and you can enjoy another set of matches with worthy opponents!

Beautifully said. With passion and a caring heart. Now lets restart this amateur match.

Quote from: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 06:33 PM
lol Sibasa is just goddamn disappointed now that their victories were void I'd be pissed off as well a bit in his place
no worries Siba, you can do it again

Dude, I don't mind playing again, I'm ready I am outraged by the incorrect organization of the cup and the incorrect attitude of its owner towards the players.

Zorrox, your mistake was that you indicated the only rule of the cup - this is bo3, the talk about bo1 began after we had already played, so there is no need to blame others for your mistakes ..

On account of the fact that Lupastic was the host, but I am dissatisfied - this is normal, because Lupastic followed the specified rules of the cup in the same way and I checked the scheme after of play.

All this discussion would not have been here if everything had been described in detail initially, because this is a private cup, which can have any rules that differ from the provided scheme.

Sibasa, I am not scheme mechanic. I have used this scheme for 1 year now and I never had any problems. Danie said yesterday

QuoteNever in life, a cup mole match continue with same weapons in any situation So Sibasa and run must understand that

It's common knowledge. If I wanted the weapons to stay, I assure you I wouldn't give you a scheme with default setting to Bo1  That wouldn't make any sense, especially if nothing about weapons staying is even mentioned. This is the most basic level of deduction for you, guys.

Quote from: Lupastic on June 13, 2021, 02:43 AM
the fact that you are carrying the weapons from the previous match up to the next one, is indeed really stupid. Next time try to organize it better

Go to your mama when you touch an oven, and go blame her for not stopping you from getting burnt   I am not telling you that you are stupid to do so, but you are stupid to blame me if you did what you did.

I don't mind Lupastic saying in his very 1st message "wait, should the scheme be changed to bo3 when playing? I guess I already did that  " or realising in Round 2 "Damn, I see now why the scheme itself was Bo1". Instead of washing his hands and very conviniently hiding the fact, the entire day, that he put some changes to the scheme. Then again very coveniently agreeing with the need to repeat games until he realised that not only his 2 losses would be gone, but also his 1:0 lead *sigh* nice cowardice

Quotethere is no need to blame others for your mistakes

Please give me the quote where I blame him. You have very serious problems with reading with comprehension. All I said was that mods can't be blamed for not predicting everything, like altering the scheme. You don't want weapons transfering over? then simply leave the scheme like it is, the way you downloaded it. If you modify Hosting Buddy scheme, I assure you it will also transfer the weapons, and I never saw people modify that, let alone act surprised and pretentious.

Zorrox, instead of properly resolving this issue, you, on the contrary, are doing worse, reproaching the players for breaking the rules that you did not talk about initially. And your expressions "They must understand that" and "I thought you would know" confirms your incompetence, and the rest of the unacceptable expressions that sounded in this thread in relation to me and Lupastika show a bad attitude towards the cup players.

Your bad behavior led to Lupastik and Echiko getting out of the cup, even with the teaching that I was willing to play the game again. In this regard, I make a decision to also withdraw from the cup. Bye-bye   

Quote from: SIBASA on June 14, 2021, 10:42 AM
In this regard, I make a decision to also withdraw from the cup. Bye-bye   

Bye bye snowlake