Academy of Artillery #1

@TheKomodo,

Why do you believe you can change my plans for several times during the cup and not being asked for the same once?


@Xrayez,

The website might be banned in your country, but it works in many other civilized democratic countries.

As for supporting anything, money walk across the world, since the economy is global and there are multiply transactions one after another. World trading and services are being kept. You never know where your money came from and where they will go. You can only calm yourself, you are paying not directly to where you wouldn't like to. I have already chosen that I want the money to be paid to me with whatever way possible.

@Zwitter - What??

Zwitter, you are making a fool of yourself with your moronic interpretations, and bids for the intellectual high ground, when at the end of the day the payment methods were clearly stated.  The further you go, the more you double down on stupidity.  I wouldn't register for that weird shit to pay you either, I don't blame Komo.  Your false equivalency of paypal payment = a payment site that accepts paypal is purely ludicrous.  Your appeals to the legality of this is also laughable, good luck for your day in international court recouping your £20, maybe you could travel to scotland and have the local magistrate enforce the payment?  You would be laughed out of the building.  Or as an alternative, you could just just learn how to read?  You assume ambiguity when it is clearly not there. 

We are all dumber for even having to entertain this bankrupt dialogue, 180 degrees is the only way out of this for you. 

Quote from: TheWalrus on May 28, 2023, 12:22 AM
We are all dumber for even having to entertain this bankrupt dialogue

Honestly, this is why I feel so bad about this, the fact I feel I need to respond to this absolutely f***ing nonsense...

That and I feel genuinely bad because I want to pay Zwitter for winning the Cup, he played outstanding, nobody can deny that, it was a pleasure to watch him play so well. Though, f me, it's tragic the way this is being handled...

I am NOT signing up to 3rd party websites for anyone though.

Even my 10 year old little cousin told me it's ridiculous!

I suggest you all to cool it down. Zwitter has won some money and it is natural for him to try to get paid. It makes sense to ask for other ways to get paid, given the current sanctions situation. I know I would. At the same time Komo has every right to refuse. It's not Komo's job to find or comply with alternative ways.

Please stop attacking. This is going nowhere. Should I remind you that I've been dealing with sanctions all my life too? Did you know that TUS was hosted in an American company before 2011 and I got forced to move out? TUS also had another domain (tus-db.com) which got shut down because of the sanctions.

Komo said Zwitter has one year. That's plenty of time. I suggest Zwitter to find an exchanger in this period.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 28, 2023, 05:12 AM
I suggest you all to cool it down. Zwitter has won some money and it is natural for him to try to get paid. It makes sense to ask for other ways to get paid, given the current sanctions situation. I know I would. At the same time Komo has every right to refuse. It's not Komo's job to find or comply with alternative ways.

Please stop attacking. This is going nowhere. Should I remind you that I've been dealing with sanctions all my life too? Did you know that TUS was hosted in an American company before 2011 and I got forced to move out? TUS also had another domain (tus-db.com) which got shut down because of the sanctions.

Komo said Zwitter has one year. That's plenty of time. I suggest Zwitter to find an exchanger in this period.

I agree, I went in too hard on zwitter, if he just said he wanted the money that would be one thing.  I think he's so triggering because he plays the victim while simultaneously demanding special treatment.  Reading comprehension issues?  Komo's fault.  I don't sign up for something and then expect someone else to figure out my own logistical issues.  His arguments are objectively idiotic - this is factual.  Yet I do feel bad for making it personal.  I'll see myself out.

I think I'll regret commenting MI's message regarding sanctions, given the fact that his country is supporting Zwitter's in a military aggresion against my country, but I just wanted to make this clear... I won't touch this topic ever again.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on May 28, 2023, 05:12 AM
I suggest you all to cool it down. Zwitter has won some money and it is natural for him to try to get paid. It makes sense to ask for other ways to get paid, given the current sanctions situation. I know I would. At the same time Komo has every right to refuse. It's not Komo's job to find or comply with alternative ways.

Please stop attacking. This is going nowhere. Should I remind you that I've been dealing with sanctions all my life too? Did you know that TUS was hosted in an American company before 2011 and I got forced to move out? TUS also had another domain (tus-db.com) which got shut down because of the sanctions.

Komo said Zwitter has one year. That's plenty of time. I suggest Zwitter to find an exchanger in this period.

I haven't noticed anyone in this discussion making personal attacks, but rather criticizing actions. It may appear that way due to Zwitter's attempts to discredit anyone who disagrees with him on this topic. Everything else is a consequence and an appropriate reaction to Zwitter's leaps in logic and inability to accept the defeat reality.

I'd like to emphasize that the cup's rules remain the primary reason for Komito's refusal, not the sanctions. Zwitter has the right to receive the price indeed, but sanctions exist for a valid reason. Just because someone believes the sanctions are unjustified doesn't mean they lack significance. Since we're discussing ourselves, let me point out that I have a genuinely life-threatening reason to suggest that Zwitter donate his prize to help eliminate the root cause of those sanctions — it's very simple. All of Zwitter's sweeping generalizations about money are absurd in light of this fact; they are narrow-minded and self-centered (it's worth noting that Zwitter made similar remarks about Komito). One receives what one deserves.

Going back to the conversation that Zwitter posted. He asked:

Quote from: Zwitter on May 27, 2023, 04:50 PM
Could you donate through this webpage?

Zwitter literally asked whether Komito could donate via 3rd party service. Komito rightfully refused.

Case closed.

Quote from: Zwitter on May 27, 2023, 10:08 PM
@TheKomodo,

Why do you believe you can change my plans for several times during the cup and not being asked for the same once?

Again, ironically, you're being egoistic here, Zwitter. It's not just your plans that got changed. We both agreed to move the finals because of Komito's life circumstances. Giving your logic, I could also demand something from Komito, but I don't do this. So, giving you a whopping year to let you decide and/or find ways to get the prize is a more or less fair decision. But if Komito thinks that sanctions will be lifted within a year to get PayPal back in Russia, I highly doubt about it.

That's why I'm saying that donating the prize would be more appropriate under all moral considerations. Think twice before participating in an international prize cup knowing that your country is under sanctions. If I were you, I'd ask Komito beforehand, just as I did when I inquired about the possibility of donating the money to a charity before deciding to join the cup. You haven't done this, which means you were extremely presumptuous in believing that Komito would agree to use a third-party service for you to receive special treatment. In fact, many people in your country think similarly, as if the entire world owes them something, and they fail to recognize the cause versus effect of why they receive certain treatment... It's quite amusing.

That's all from me.

 the hole world owes russia something :O right now Ukraine gets help from USA and Europe

xray is completly right with the fact that zwitter should have known about problems to receive this few money. and komito does not refuse to pay ! we are worms friends and no enemys.

marita hinterding :///

Oh THAT'S what he meant by changing plans... When we changed the date for one match for you guys.

To be fair, a few people changed the date of their match, it's normal in this game in this community.

Though I did ask if it was ok to reschedule and although it wasn't a welcome situation, you guys didn't actually mind.

Worst case scenario if you guys were unable to play after that date for good reason I'd have been fine with you just playing anyway without stream as it was MY fault for having to reschedule.

Anyway, like MonkeyIsland said, Zwitter has 1 year to find a solution, I'm a man of my word. If Korydex ever found a way to get a direct payment I'd give him his prize money from Twyst as well that he's still due!

For sure this is Zwitters problem to solve not Komos. Dont you have a friend who has paypal and Komo could send it to him first and he transfers it to you?

If not, I have an virtual credit card which I could use to this safely and send it to you via that site and Komo then sends the money to my paypal.

If its okay to all parties just send me PM with the information about how and I'll do it.

I'd be happy to do that if you don't mind Free, very kind of you!

As i said we are worms friends and no enemy's . Nice thx free and komito let's go borderlands 

My suggestion: donate to TUS and be happy 

You might be able to display your account name with a different colour! Not sure if the value is enough for this, though.

Zwitter has received his prize money, case closed!

Thank you very much Free!