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Team17

Tournament #955, Viewed 2611 Time(s)

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Name: Team17 - T17 with Select Worms
Type: Public
Game type: 1vs1
Created: July 04, 2017, 11:28 AM

Tournament scheme(s): scheme Team17 remake
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Signups time: July 09, 2017, 05:30 PM

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Description:
Team17 with 2 x Select Worm. The scheme is updated since the previous tourney so download it again. All weapons except Mad Cow and Banana Bomb have equal chance of showing up in crates. Scheme file: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-2375/

Games are played on #PartyTime channel. Signups open at 17:30 GMT and are open for ~30mins.

All games best of 1

If you host with HostingBuddy, you can load the scheme by command !tusscheme 2375

Rules:

No going on the roof (the indestructible border)

No exploiting glitches (e.g. skipwalking, vertical bow)

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Author Topic: Tournament #955, Team17  (Read 2644 times)

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Re: Tournament #955, Team17
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2017, 07:53 PM »
I like the scheme, 7 girders were always too much even with limit, but selects make up for it adding some new degree to the scheme, making it something almost entirely new, focused more towards action with deeper planning. But I dont understand why nana and cows arent chanced equally like the rest of weapons - scheme isn't fair by it's nature, and there are plenty other weapons that devastate just as much (and cows are rather tricky in this scheme, so that's an even more unknown to me), plus it's not guaranted you will be less likely to chance nana in a crate (see my game vs VoK).

Islands only tourney next?
As for myself - while double-cavern layered map is somewhat fitting T17 and thanks to that this theme is actually being used, I believe the concept is outdated and is one of the main reasons why T17 is that problematic competetively. Even these 2 selects worms aren't completely fixing the state of the scheme, they even bring some other problems that I can notice but am still unsure about, that would require some long-term insight and testing by pros. But with the transition to island maps (perhaps just for testing for now) T17 could be different and selects would make much more sense.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 08:19 PM by lacoste »
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Offline Senator

Re: Tournament #955, Team17
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2017, 10:01 AM »
But I dont understand why nana and cows arent chanced equally like the rest of weapons - scheme isn't fair by it's nature, and there are plenty other weapons that devastate just as much (and cows are rather tricky in this scheme, so that's an even more unknown to me), plus it's not guaranted you will be less likely to chance nana in a crate (see my game vs VoK).

The lower probability of cows comes from First Blood league's scheme. They reduced cows cos you get 3 of them and they are quite destructive. Some people think that bananas too are too powerful (insta kills a full hp worm) and that's why I reduced them in this scheme. I don't have a strong opinion on them. TUS scheme has 0.62% chance, my scheme 0.74%. With such a low probability you shouldn't see more than 1-2 of them in a game (none in many games).

Offline Senator

Re: Tournament #955, Team17
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2017, 05:43 PM »
Even these 2 selects worms aren't completely fixing the state of the scheme, they even bring some other problems that I can notice but am still unsure about, that would require some long-term insight and testing by pros. But with the transition to island maps (perhaps just for testing for now) T17 could be different and selects would make much more sense.

You mean when someone loses a worm before his first turn or something else? Why more sense? Remember selects have 4 turn delay.

Re: Tournament #955, Team17
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2017, 06:06 PM »
You mean when someone loses a worm before his first turn or something else? Why more sense? Remember selects have 4 turn delay.

No no. I'm not quite sure whats exactly wrong with having selects (maybe nothing), but it's heavily related to snowballing and turning the game one-sided during that mid-game phase, but again, changes like this needs to evolve over time.

As of islands and selects, I might be looking into it from the perspective of Intermediate player and it makes sense to have other means of saving yourself from easy setups for a kill, which isnt as easy in a tight cavern play. And it could bring even more dynamics to island t17. AND AGAIN, testing. Not saying either is correct, it's just the feeling.
<Ramone> we're just nicknames
<Ramone> isn't that sad..

<Johnny`> !fart
* Johnny` has farted out 0 Scoville units.
<Johnny`> Sonova

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Offline MonkeyIsland

Re: Tournament #955, Team17
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2017, 06:06 AM »
@lacoste, you didn't thank me by letting you win. (by not participating in the cup)

You could at least send a PM thank you :(
but I'll be the bigger man here, congratulations on your win! :)
Due to massive misunderstandings: MonkeyIsland refers to an island not a monkey. I would be a monkey, if my name was IslandMonkey meaning a monkey who is or lives on an island. MonkeyIsland is an island which is related to monkeys. Also there's been a legend around saying MonkeyIsland is a game. So please, think of me as an island or a game.

Re: Tournament #955, Team17
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2017, 02:13 AM »
@lacoste, you didn't thank me by letting you win. (by not participating in the cup)

You could at least send a PM thank you :(
but I'll be the bigger man here, congratulations on your win! :)

Hey MI, too bad you didnt play that one! Hopefully we can gather some more familiar faces for the next one! I mean all it took me to bring my leader Darkmaul here was 1 word and hes a lawyer, so im optimistic.
<Ramone> we're just nicknames
<Ramone> isn't that sad..

<Johnny`> !fart
* Johnny` has farted out 0 Scoville units.
<Johnny`> Sonova

My W:A related channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HighCostage