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June 27, 2022, 03:32 PM

Game #232514, reported by Kevin04, Viewed 164 Time(s)

Lucky Strike
Group 3
June 20, 2022, 07:04 PM
Winner
Kevin04
Germany dP
Gained 5 points
Loser
SIBASA
Russian Federation AQUA MM WoSC
Lost 5 points
  

Game Rate
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Players history
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Information Cup name: : #1160: Lucky Strike
Cup scheme(s):
Game Result: 2:0
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Game Chat(s)
[Lupastic] good luck joy ^.-
[Lupastic] woah
[SIBASA] hf
[Lupastic] some bng starts xd
[Echiko] SIBASA CPU 5 xD
[SIBASA] xD
[SIBASA] hysteria practice
[Echiko] oh
[Lupastic] nice
[SIBASA] gj
[Echiko] holy
[Echiko] 0o
[dP`Kevin04] thx, had to play it kinda safe :D
[Lupastic] lol that harp
[Lupastic] too long
[Echiko] che mattanza
[Lupastic] the worm cant jump it xD
[Lupastic] ahahah
[Lupastic] Echi trolling with the textures :P
[Echiko] an harp is long xD
[Echiko] *a harp
[dP`Kevin04] ugh, that was close xD
[dP`Kevin04] and didn't even pay off
[Echiko] hm
[dP`Kevin04] n
[Lupastic] nice ;o
[SIBASA] ty;3
[SIBASA] nooo
[Lupastic] aaah
[dP`Kevin04] ooof
[Echiko] auch
[Lupastic] xd
[Echiko] put the worm gently xD
[Lupastic] yes, like flagpole it and hold it still
[Lupastic] instead of throwing it to the ground
[Echiko] hold it still
[Echiko] xD
[Lupastic] yes, penis instructions
[Echiko] 0o
[Lupastic] :W
[Echiko] this hurts
[Echiko] hmm a terminator gravestone
[Echiko] I like it xD
[SIBASA] -_-
[Echiko] e allora!
[dP`Kevin04] not really but it kinda looks like it :D
[Lupastic] so after all it was just one shotgun hit
[Lupastic] not 2
[Lupastic] :P
[dP`Kevin04] it's from the ALL YOUR BASE meme, which in turn is using graphics from the sega genesis port of the arcade shmup zero wing
[Echiko] oh interesting
[dP`Kevin04] oh no..
[SIBASA] trap
[dP`Kevin04] great
[dP`Kevin04] xD
[dP`Kevin04] bad
[SIBASA] hmmm
[Lupastic] gl boyz (:
[SIBASA] ahh
[SIBASA] well
[dP`Kevin04] nt, heh
[SIBASA] gg
[dP`Kevin04] gg

[SIBASA] hf
[SIBASA] okay
[SIBASA] evil ;D
[dP`Kevin04] gotta take the opportunity while it's still there :D
[Echiko] 0o
[Echiko] sibasa
[Echiko] I must tell you
[Echiko] you improved a lot a lot a lot
[Echiko] <3
[dP`Kevin04] xD
[dP`Kevin04] yeah that wasn't clever
[dP`Kevin04] bl
[SIBASA] yea
[SIBASA] sheep please
[SIBASA] uff
[dP`Kevin04] playing with fire ;)
[SIBASA] phew
[SIBASA] you too)
[dP`Kevin04] indeed :D
[SIBASA] ohh
[dP`Kevin04] that was the wrong weapon
[SIBASA] sorry(
[dP`Kevin04] hmm that sucks now, but according to cup rules cows are strictly forbidden?
[Echiko] uh oh
[SIBASA] i can skip
[Echiko] sibi
[Echiko] no
[Echiko] you must give up
[Echiko] exactly
[dP`Kevin04] ://///
[Echiko] no cows
[dP`Kevin04] I always double check before I attack if I really use the right weapon because I didn't want to risk that mistake
[Echiko] sibasa please surrender
[Echiko] I'm sorry
[Echiko] yeah
[SIBASA] lol
[Echiko] that's what we suggested
[Echiko] I'm sorry sibi
[Echiko] yeah
[dP`Kevin04] :/

Author Topic: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04  (Read 174 times)

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Offline SIBASA

Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« on: June 20, 2022, 07:18 PM »
On my "last turn" in the second game, I used a shotgun instead of a grenade - it was a mistake, but I did not deal any damage and it did not affect the game much, but by the harsh rules, I lost instantly.

Online Lupastic

Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2022, 08:24 PM »
On my "last turn" in the second game, I used a shotgun instead of a grenade - it was a mistake, but I did not deal any damage and it did not affect the game much, but by the harsh rules, I lost instantly.

Sibi, it is simple, if you want to gain weaponretreat time cuz your turntime is about to end, and you're going with the Grenade worm, throw a grenade and there you go. ;) It's not hard. And don't shoot with shotgun, cuz its cow as it is stated in the cup, it's quite simple. And remember your weapons. Even if you forget, press "delete" button 3 times, and the nametag of the worm will reappear. These are all written in the cup description. The rules speak for themselves, if there was a solution in WA that we could disable every weapon and that in a Grenade worm's inventory there is only grenade and nothing else, we would do it. But there is no option sadly, so we maintain these basic rules.

Offline SIBASA

Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2022, 09:59 PM »
You do not understand what I mean, but oh well.

Offline Echiko

Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2022, 10:25 PM »
Sibasa, I think that Lupastic has explained very well how the rules of our cup work this time. Since in the past we were forgiving and, in spite of that, we came across a lot of other cases, this time we decided that cowing IN ANY CASE is forbidden. Moreover an accidental shot with a wrong weapon could always after all have some consequences. What if someone drops a mine instead of, for example, an air strike? That mine could affect the gameplay. This rule is also meant to discourage, for example, a player who chooses to cow and maybe lose a turn for his own sake.

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Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2022, 12:46 AM »
Quote from: Echiko
Sibasa, I think that Lupastic has explained very well how the rules of our cup work this time.

Why are you both explaining the game / cup rules to SIBASA? He pretty much knows how to read, and he acknowledged his mistake. All he said was that your rules are harsh, and it's exactly because he has read them. Are they harsh? I think so too, yes, pretty much. You leave no place for mistakes, intended or not. Didn't this situation already happen in another match?

Whatever prompted the need for these strict rules, I wonder if these 2 cases are too much work for both of you to analyze. Of course there will be people to abuse the rules, but that's where -I believe- mods should come in and make a harsh decision. In the end, it's your choice, and people do join your cup knowing so. But then, on top of deciding you both won't do that work, you go like this:

Sibi, it is simple, if you want to gain weaponretreat time cuz your turntime is about to end, and you're going with the Grenade worm, throw a grenade and there you go. ;) It's not hard.

Pedantic. Do you know what is not hard? Reading:

it was a mistake

He knows the rules, dude. That sucks, SIBASA-  I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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Online Lupastic

Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2022, 01:10 AM »
long story short gabriel, I don't think you have any idea of what's happening here around oO it seems to me you're once again back here just for a little quarrel, which you will not get ;) get lost por favor hermano :D
« Last Edit: June 21, 2022, 01:39 AM by Lupastic »

Offline Echiko

Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2022, 06:08 AM »
Gabriel, I have even explained why we decided that rule. It is simply even to exclude some cases like: "in the other match he/she cowes and you didn't delete the game, but you deleted mine, this is supporting him/her and no one else". Being inflexible means also to guarantee everyone is treated equally  when it comes to a mistake. That's all. There is no need every single time to come, point a finger and complain. I am not ofc referring to you nor to SIBASA, who is always welcome in our cups and is doing a good job for the community and become a talented player. Rules are made in that way and when someone joins, he/she agrees to that "harsh" rule. We both made some choices while writing down the rules and it is not being jerk or harsh people. It's to guarantee clean matches and the fairest play possible. :)
« Last Edit: June 21, 2022, 08:18 AM by Echiko »

Offline SIBASA

Re: Game #232514, reported by Kevin04
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2022, 05:26 PM »
Guys, I'm not arguing - I honestly lost according to the rules of the cup and I'm not asking you to cancel this game.

I'm just saying that the rules could be much softer and approach each individual case individually and analyze the situation - this is normal and better than instantly losing for the slightest mistake.

Let's try to analyze this situation, if I had not had to give up after my mistake? Regardless of what decision we come to - I do not pretend to cancel this round, just for example.

After my mistake, I still had worms: Shotgun, Grenade, Air Strike, Petrol. and 4 teleports, 1 rope
Kevin still had worms: Petrol, Air Strike, Shotgun and 4 teleports, 2 rope

Kevin's next move was Air Strike and killed my Shotgun. He also had the choice of wounding my Petrol or attacking my Grenade, wounding it slightly and opening it up for further air attack.
Clarification: My Grenade hid in a small shelter, which was created as a result of my mistake. If I hadn't made this mistake and stayed where I was, Kevin could have dealt more damage with his Air Strike (maybe even completely kill him). - What I described in this clarification is the only thing that could slightly affect the further course of the game.

The next turn was my Air Strike and I couldn't hit any enemy target, and then Echiko told me to give up. End.

What decision could restore justice so that it suits everyone and the round continues?
My suggestion:
I could skip turns until my Grenade started moving again and I skipped a turn with it too, or I could skip turns until one of my worms dies (if my worm dies right after the first skip, then I miss again)
Thus, during my skippings Kevin could significantly change the course of the game in his favor, reducing my chances of winning