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Cups and Tournaments => Cups and Tournaments General => Topic started by: JayX on November 06, 2011, 01:23 AM
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Ahh attention grabbing headlines.. gotta love 'em
Not a complaint here at all before I get started, but just something I wanted to open for discussion :)
I was thinking the other day while playing classic league that (to me at least) the inclusion of Hysteria in there was an odd choice when older and more 'classic' if you like schemes like Boomrace, WFW are not included.
Again not a complaint and this is in no way asking for things to change, I simply like discussion :)
But to me Hysteria is not really a classic scheme at all and by (at least my standards) is not even that old of a scheme. Boomrace is nowhere near as popular as Hysteria and I'd be the 1st to admit that.. but it certainly is more 'classic' imo
Why would you say that is? I agree 100% with all the other schemes in the classic league.
Discuss :D
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hysteria is not classic. signed.
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You guys have been away from WA way too long. Hysteria is celebrating its 5th year as a scheme early next year, so in my opinion it is to consider as a classic scheme, even if it is not as old as the other schemes. What is the definition of a classic scheme anyway?
Like you point out JayX, its way more popular then boomrace and walk for weapons, I think that factor should be valued more then what is the most classic scheme. It is also what the new generation of players is most familiar with. I`m not a big fan of the scheme, but I think it should stay as it is ^^
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic
"The word classic means something that is a perfect example of a particular style, something of lasting worth or with a timeless quality"
Perfect example, timeless, like intentionally plunking worms to try and claw turn advantage to avoid telerape. I've embraced WxW, after some initial qualms, but i will never embrace a theme that rewards plunking one's own worms. I admit im bad at hysteria, but its the only one of the schemes i don't want to be good at because of it's off-kilter style. And im talking about all the schemes, free league included. Get Frank, of course, is not included in this equation.
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Well, JayX, you are right about the scheme not being as old as other schemes in the Classic League, true point. First I didn't understand why it'd be included in the Classic League either.
I didn't really like the scheme either to be honest, to me it seemed like less-skilled players were able to take you, because of it's odd gameplay. But once you get the hang of it and learn to live with this so called off-kilter style and you can manage to avoid these situation and instead making advantage of them, I think you'll start to like the scheme - just like I did. :)
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And when Ray says that about Hysteria, you have no other way but knee to Hysteria.
(hint for Ray: No it is NOT sarcasm, it is NOT making fun you, It's just what it is!)
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Perhaps a better fitting name for the league would be "Overall league" or something like that. Hysteria perhaps really doesn't fit in the definition of "classic", but being classic (as in having only the oldest schemes) isn't leagues intent. It's intent is to offer schemes that are popular among the wormers and that define a wide range of different skills. We named it classic and the name stuck. Hysteria is popular (it's not by itself a good scheme for 1vs1 league matches, IMO, but that's different story) and it requires somehow unique skills. Therefor it fits in Classic league, or however it should be called.
(btw: Ray, at some point, loved and hated just about every scheme there is :))
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And when Ray says that about Hysteria, you have no other way but knee to Hysteria.
(hint for Ray: No it is NOT sarcasm, it is NOT making fun you, It's just what it is!)
It is funny for sarcasm :D But nice to say otherwise, I'm honoured. *-* I guess you meant my rather conservative personality, heh.
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You guys have been away from WA way too long.
Lol you make us sound like such a bunch of old men dude :D
Don't make the mistake of thinking TUS is WA, I am new to TUS sure but I have always been on and off active pretty much since the games release. Forging Style And Destruction since 1935!
(http://mimg.ugo.com/201007/53628/cuts/funny-old-gamer_288x216.jpg)
Like you point out JayX, its way more popular then boomrace and walk for weapons, I think that factor should be valued more then what is the most classic scheme.
Totally agree mate, but if it is going to be about popularity then it should be called "the Popular League" Team 17, BNG, Shopper, WXW, RR etc are classic schemes. For example if Golf or Mole Shopper became really popular would that be added to the Classic League?
Well, JayX, you are right about the scheme not being as old as other schemes in the Classic League, true point. First I didn't understand why it'd be included in the Classic League either.
I didn't really like the scheme either to be honest,
Well, don't get me wrong, I like Hysteria, it's a cool scheme and its popular. And sure, we can reference that wiki article.. but the fact is it just doesn't apply in this case I don't think as there is no overall governing body to regulate what the worms community as a whole considers to be classic (see classic cars in the wiki).
The schemes in Classic league are all of a certain type except one.. Hysteria. They are the originals, the classics! the games that were here long before many of us logged onto AG for the 1st time. Those are the true classics!
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I don't think you're right there. It was the same with Shopper and wxw before. They were both added to the classic/overall league (iirc wxw was added in fb as an alternative style for shopper; this was transfered to tus, and later in tus these 2 schemes got seperated, because it's simply 2 different schemes) after being very popular in WNet.
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Hysteria is popular and playable enough to be part of the classic league!
I dont like hysteria, but I see the truth!
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Get Frank, of course, is not included in this equation.
your just sad cause frank owned you several times ;D
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Hysteria is popular and playable enough to be part of the classic league!
I dont like hysteria, but I see the truth!
Your missing the point mate.
I'm not arguing that Hysteria is popular, I'm not arguing whether Hysteria is a fair balanced scheme etc or not.
I'm simply saying that next to schemes like BnG, Roper etc Hysteria just doesn't sit right for me.
Is it a good scheme? sure why not
Is it a fair scheme? again sure.. whatever
Is it a classic scheme? Hell to the motherflipping no it isn't! (in my opinion :D)
Again there are no right or wrong answers here (except all opinions that go against mine) this is just a discussion :)
...a discussion that you are all wrong in xD
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hysteria should be raped a burned imo
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Wait, so you are saying if anyone thought of the scheme 3 years before, it would have all the rights to be in the Classic League simply because the League is called Classic and the word classic in most cases involves the assumption that the matter we are talking about is old?
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Not old.. classic! :D
Hysteria is not a classic scheme in my opinion. Although I agree with most of the points you made earlier Ray.
But sure a Gameboy is classic, a Megadrive is classic!
a Xbox 360 is popular.. not classic
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Hysteria is in the Classic League. Note that the name has been given only because there was no better idea what to name that league... :D
But I do agree that it does stand out a bit, but due to it's popularity and the fact that each day, the game-play is being fined and tuned - not by modifying the scheme, but by some people coming up with new strategies - it does have a place between those other schemes. Sure, sometimes you might find it odd, especially if you are an older player, most of us are used to the old ways: you kill you win.
Hysteria is a little different, and I'm being very rough around the edges here, if you suicide, you win. ;D That could piss you off, sure... BUT! The scheme is still growing, there are endless possibilities, you could come up with a strategy which could beat anyone, simply because they haven't thought of it yet. And that's why it has a place in the Classic League. ;)
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Haha sure, I cant argue with the points you have made mate, back to my first post though
not a complaint and this is in no way asking for things to change, I simply like discussion :)
Its not worth changing the names of the leagues because of one persons thoughts on the subject. And I wouldn't expect that to happen or ask for it.
But my opinion remains the same, Hysteria is no more a classic scheme that Kaos, Boomrace, Big RR or any other number of schemes that have been around for ages (sometimes longer) and in the case of Kaos, at least at one point was far more popular than.. well any other scheme on WA!
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I understand it's not a complaint. And to be honest, I agree with you just as well as you agree with my points. :D Hysteria is not classic in the way the other schemes in the League. Absolutely true.
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And there we have it, our conclusion is complete.
The League shall be renamed The Classic except Hysteria which is popular but not exactly considered classic if you really break it down League.
I will be the first to admit that it's not exactly a catchy title
But ya can't stop change. Make it so TUS!
AG is gonna look great!
TCEHWIPBNECCIYRBIDL Anyone?
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The League shall be renamed The Classic except Hysteria which is popular but not exactly considered classic if you really break it down League.
Classic response. :D
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And there we have it, our conclusion is complete.
The League shall be renamed The Classic except Hysteria which is popular but not exactly considered classic if you really break it down League.
I will be the first to admit that it's not exactly a catchy title
But ya can't stop change. Make it so TUS!
AG is gonna look great!
TCEHWIPBNECCIYRBIDL Anyone?
This made me laugh like crazy. ;D
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Wha choo talkin 'bout Stati?
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Um Jay. I think you are trying to help, but your complicating things that aren't necessarily important. Classic can mean many other ways after all.
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Haha, read the whole topic buddy.
I said many times I'm not looking to change / help or anything. Just simply making conversation and allowing people to discuss the matter.
These are discussion boards after all :)
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That seems even weirder that you started to post cause of that reason because it's such a trivial, boring topic, I guess I'll just step out.
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Well the discussion was quite active so it cant have been that boring :)
Not every topic has to be so serious, that's the main problem that I have with TUS since coming here. People take it all so seriously, like winning TUS actually matters, it's just a bit of fun and a cool place for people to meet and get to know each other and play WA.
Who cares if it's a trivial topic mate, in case you hadn't noticed everything here is essentially trivial. Arguing over little pink digital worms is relevant? xD
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JayX I'm sure you know it already but I'd like to say it. If it was only pink digital worms for everyone, the game wouldn't get this far. All the "small" things you see that get spread around the world have actually been taken seriously by some no-life people. It's kinda a paradox taking this little game non-serious AND enjoy it on daily basis. ;)
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That's the problem though, it is just a game! a great game and very addictive sure but still it is only a game.
Places like TUS, WMDB, (all the mapmakers and scheme inventors) is what keeps the game going, not people taking it seriously, I would say that people being "elitist" actually drives newer players away rather than helps the game grow.
My point being that the game is a very simple concept that has been taken to the next level over and over by the community, and by working together and building upon the game we keep it fresh.
There (at least in my eyes) is nothing to be taken seriously here. It's just fun :D
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JayX stop spam and go play final bom boom race cup ;D
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JayX stop spam and go play final bom boom race cup ;D
Every time I ask you to play you say no!
I think you are scared of me :D
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Places like TUS, WMDB, (all the mapmakers and scheme inventors) is what keeps the game going, not people taking it seriously, I would say that people being "elitist" actually drives newer players away rather than helps the game grow.
There (at least in my eyes) is nothing to be taken seriously here. It's just fun :D
Building the site you're posting at takes, like it or not, quite an amount of SERIOUS work.
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Yes well done Rok for that highly thought out and constructive comment.
I never said the TUS site was not hard work did I?
I also never said that I didn't appreciate all the work that has gone into it. In fact I think i have said on more than one occasion that it's people like MonkeyIsland and the team here that keep building on WA and making it interesting.
Never once have I shown any disrespect for that.
But TUS is not WA, Worms is a game, games are played for fun.
If you play something that you don't enjoy you are an idiot.
And besides, I am sure you will find MI and the team built this site because of their enjoyment of WA as a game, they played it, had fun, came up with an idea to help the community and put in the hours.
Respect for that
But it is still just a game :)
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But it is still just a game :)
zippo thought the same, until the king appeared with a gun in his hand .....
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But it is still just a game :)
zippo thought the same, until the king appeared with a gun in his hand .....
lolol peja xDD
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Me & barman tried hysteria with a low water rising (sd comes 1st turn). I think it can add more action to the scheme and prevent too long games with side hides (really boring in clanners) :P
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Me & barman tried hysteria with a low water rising (sd comes 1st turn). I think it can add more action to the scheme and prevent too long games with side hides (really boring in clanners) :P
That's right, we think the scheme is much better that way. The starting positions become a little more of a lottery, but the game remains interesting all the time to the end of match, with no situations where two players fruitlessly attempt to score an accurate hit for many minutes.
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Me & barman tried hysteria with a low water rising (sd comes 1st turn). I think it can add more action to the scheme and prevent too long games with side hides (really boring in clanners) :P
That's right, we think the scheme is much better that way. The starting positions become a little more of a lottery, but the game remains interesting all the time to the end of match, with no situations where two players fruitlessly attempt to score an accurate hit for many minutes.
what about adding some missiles and a magic bullet to bng, so people wouldnt attempt to score an accurate hit for many minutes?
seriously if you dont want side hides host a map without them ;)
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what about adding some missiles and a magic bullet to bng, so people wouldnt attempt to score an accurate hit for many minutes?
Your comparison is fail. I think water rising will make hysteria more "hysteric" ;D Anyway it's worth a try in funners :)
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must be some strange east european stuff, my clanmate is also annoying me with this lottery sinking hysteria