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I just got a Wii U. It has Mario and Nintendoland pre-installed. As of the time of this posting, it's updating. Any thoughts?
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Oops. Move to gaming central.
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Pretty good machine. The system menus are kinda slow, but very clean. The GamePad could've had a little better build quality, but I suspect they had good reasons for this (weight/bulk/adding cost to an already expensive part).
There's little western third-party support, but Nintendo's games are excellent. Gotta love stuff that works right out of the box.
Some cool features too. Full Wii backwards compatibility. A pretty good web browser, especially for YouTube. GamePad doubles as a TV remote.
I bought it at launch for Pikmin 3, and boy did it deliver. Almost as good as Pikmin 1, with simply ravishing graphics. Will probably get NX for Pikmin 4. ^_^
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sm4sh, smm and the new zelda
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congratulations you just bought the second worst console ever after the sega saturn
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congratulations you just bought the second worst console ever after the sega saturn
*cough* Virtual Boy, Panasonic CD-I etc. *cough*
It is best console to choose from this generation considering it has more exclusives. Xbox gonna release some exclusive games on PC and PS 4.5 will be shit. Pretty much a PC and a Wii U is the best choice. Not to mention full backwards compatiblity with wii games.
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congratulations you just bought the second worst console ever after the sega saturn
*rage*
u mad?
It is best console to choose from this generation
u serious?
edit by HHC: removed redi's quote.
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It is best console to choose from this generation
bahahaha turkish people are that out of touch with the pulse of the world?
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It is best console to choose from this generation
Damn right!
Nintendo always has been up until now, and probably always will be a truly epic company for consoles.
I've played every console since the Master System / Nintendo Entertainment System, and Nintendo has been by far the best imo, I have the Wii U, and i'll be getting the NX, Sony/Xbox can go suck a d**k, they suck, and I am actually grateful they keep all the fanboys and CODpussys away from Nintendos online servers :)
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate online for Wii U was one of the greatest gaming experiences i've ever had and Zelda - Breath Of The Wild is hopefully gonna be the best thing since Ocarina of Time :D
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We have the 3 consoles and we enjoy a lot the WiiU. Daina struggles a bit with the PS4 and X1 but playing Mario Kart and DK ain't difficult :D.
The PS4 is my choice tho. I have loved their exclusives such as Bloodborne. TLOU and Until Dawn, and games like Metal Gear, Wolfestein, Battlefront and few others are addictive. Psn Plus gives away shit games every month with the sole exception of Rocket League and The Walking Dead Season 2 so far, unlike Xbox Live Gold.
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I have the Wii U, and i'll be getting the NX, Sony/Xbox can go suck a d**k, they suck
fanboys
That Wii U is the console of choice for the TUS vocal regulars is not surprising in the slightest. Don't we have a f@#!ing korean freemium farming shitty grinder stickied at the top of gaming central? XD
Trying to argue that the Wii U is the best console of this generation is ridiculous. It's even worse than calling the N64 the best of its. The thing has like 5 actual good games and then a bunch of remakes. The Xbox beats the f@#! out of it in anything online, not that the PS4 doesn't, they're also machines of more power and more features, and most importantly, a much richer catalog of high ranking games. And yes, some come out for the PC, that's just the future of gaming, exclusivity doesn't make sense anymore. The only reason Wii U doesn't have games like The Witcher 3 or The Division is because its because it can't run them, and if it could, its market is too gimmicky.
I'm dying to play the new Zelda myself but Nintendo has f@#!ed up majorly in recent times and are only alive (as a console manufacturer) because of their gameboys, otherwise they would have long become another SEGA.
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damn, i didint get muted but my post just vanished? Tus is transforming into chinese shit censorship or what :P He still managed to quote it so what was the point?
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You got a warn theredi. Your "comebacks" are unnecessary. This is a simple console thread.
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yea i know but why erase post? it wasnt that bad :D
back to thread, i have ps2 & ps3 but didint buy ps4 coz i almost dont play on them, no idea why, just get bored with games i guess, i only play 90s games nowadays, good old dos (norton commander) and win 98 times but i would like to try Wii U
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You got a warn theredi. Your "comebacks" are unnecessary. This is a simple console thread.
So that means Aerox is innocent? (With his aggressive posts)
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You got a warn theredi. Your "comebacks" are unnecessary. This is a simple console thread.
So that means Aerox is innocent? (With his aggressive posts)
^ MI, when you jump in like that, please bother with reading previous messages as well. It looks very wrong when 2 persons go shitwar and only one of them gets punished. *points fingers at recent ropa vs Komo issue*
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WTF-8, ropa says really nasty stuff to pretty much everyone he can, whether they argue with him or not, I defend myself, yes I get out of hand from time to time, but there is a HUGE difference there.
Gaming Central hasn't had any bad arguements with serious insults since it opened, any post insulting people will be removed immediately from now on, I don't care if it's justified or not, find a way to use your words without resorting to that or don't bother.
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It's even worse than calling the N64 the best of its.
Please explain why the N64 isn't the best of its generation.
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I would argue the N64 pushed the PS1 in terms of quality over quantity.
There were a few absolute classics but a general lack of games.
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The N64 had Super Smash Bros, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Ocarina of Time and a few more I can't remember right now. I had an N64 myself and was pretty happy with it, being able to plug in 4 controllers was also one of the biggest advantages.
I only ever wanted a PS to play Final Fantasy, which I borrowed from a friend at some point. So there's that.
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Sweet, we're talking best N64 games :D For me the following games, pretty much my collection, not in any order:
Ocarina of Time
Goldeneye
Mission Impossible
Super Smash Bros
Mario 64
Mario Kart
Body Harvest
Majora's Mask
Wave Race 64
Lylatwars
Diddy Kong Racing
F Zero X
Doom 64
Duke Nukem 64
Fifa Road to the World Cup
Micro Machines 64
Re-Volt
And I had PS mainly for Gran Turismo, absolutely love that game still play it from time to time :D
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N64 is so much better than the Wii U in terms of games its not even funny, yet we are comparing them here
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The N64 had Super Smash Bros, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Ocarina of Time and a few more I can't remember right now. I had an N64 myself and was pretty happy with it, being able to plug in 4 controllers was also one of the biggest advantages.
I only ever wanted a PS to play Final Fantasy, which I borrowed from a friend at some point. So there's that.
So did I. One of my favorite consoles ever. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Playstation one, arguably the most influential console of all time (which I never owned), had more sales and a bigger catalog of big guns. This is all Metracritic-able, not an absolute measurement, but at least one that attempts to be objective.
The N64 had some amazing games, OOT, Mario 64, they changed or created genres by themselves. But the Playstation single handedly started making videogames a global market appealing for more than teenagers.
And then came the PS2, easily the best domestic console of any given generation by about a 55 million margin.
After that, hard to say, but the Wii U? Come on now, on the level of the Dreamcast in terms of what the f@#! where you thinking. You can still enjoy the f@#! out of Mario Kart with it, but that's totally besides the point.
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Nevertheless consoles were much better before. I honestly hope Nintendo and other consoles would die as hardware manufacturer and live as software dev like Sega on Steam. I am tired of seeing console exclusives and nice titles with their gimped specs. Imagine how awesome games like Last of Us would be without hardware limitations on PC. Hopefully we'll see some XB exclusives on PC soon.
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still waiting for red dead redemption for pc...
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Yah, N64 totally had more great games compared to Wii U, in fact, if you look at it purely as capability, the Wii U sucks compared to what the PS4/Xbox One is capable of, however, and this is my opinion, PS4 and Xbox One games are absolutely diabolical, they suck so much I just cannot get into the vast majority of crap that these consoles are selling these days, even including Wii U, but Wii U has the few rare games I actually love playing these days so that's why it's the winner for me.
Tbh the only good game i've seen for PS4/Xbox One is one that will be coming out for PS4 late 16 early 17 called Horizon Zero Dawn, this game is just WOW!
Story seems interesting, inspiring and epic.
Graphics are just jawdropping, even for PS4 lol.
Gameplay looks f**king sweet!
I am actually considering buying a PS4 just for this game, if it doesn't get released for PC.
Check it out:
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What bugs me in the PS4 is the huge ammount of data you need to install/download for most games. It's an annoying feat on itself.. add to that the fact that the HDD size of the machine is equal to the PS3 and it's a real bugger.
My bro had about 7 games on his before he ran out of space lol. I must have about 40 games installed on my PS3 and i dont think im even close.
Wish I had a superNES tho. I have really good memories of it as we used to hire one every now and then for a week or two. Always big fun :)
I guess it sucks now though, being used to decent graphs.
I can't even start up a ps1 game without being overwhelmed with pixels :D
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I guess it sucks now though, being used to decent graphs.
I can't even start up a ps1 game without being overwhelmed with pixels :D
There are still exceptions like Castlevania Symphony of the Night. That game was dope. I played it quite a lot on my modded PS2.
Speaking of PS2, there are ridiculously cheap offers for PS2. It can run PSX games too, you can even run some emulators if you mod it. I am thinking to get one since my PS2 is dead. I miss playing Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 with my brother, it was the best DBZ game ever made. :D
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I can't even start up a ps1 game without being overwhelmed with pixels :D
Well yeah, take Donkey Kong Country for the SNES, to this day it's still impressive, it's just beautifully designed around it's capabilities, something you don't see often enough now.
The way I see it, graphics these days are "awesome", but most games that aim for realistic graphics aren't really that awesome, I was seriously disappointed with the visuals in Fallout 4 for example, the game itself I like though.
I think the problem is these days they really rush a lot of games, pushing stuff out as fast as possible with DLC "coming soon", don't get me wrong, there are still games out there that are truly stunning, but in this day and age I honestly expected more.
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My bro had about 7 games on his before he ran out of space lol. I must have about 40 games installed on my PS3 and i dont think im even close.
This is done to cut loading times. They would be terrible without installed data.
But 7 games? Really? Pretty amazing feat, did he get 20 DLCs per game or something? Also, this isn't a PS4 thing, it's progress, you'll be installing everything not long from here.
Donkey Kong saga in the snes was one of my favorites games ever, at the time. Now, in retrospect, it's pretty shitty, gameplay wise, even for the time.
Tbh the only good game i've seen for PS4/Xbox One
GTA V, Witcher 3, Last of Us Remaster, Uncharted 4, MGS 4, Fallout 4, Dark Souls 3, Overwatch, Dragon Age Inquisition. Oh, and let us not forget, Blood f@#!ing borne. Only for the PS4 and candidate for game of the year every year until this year. FIFA, PES, NBA2K, F1, UFC. Can't do sports on nintendo either.
I play those games in PC, of course. The PC is the best console in all aspects, all things considered and no exceptions. But there has to be a second best after the Windows machine.
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The only reason to buy a console is to play their exclusives, you can play all multi platform on a PC with a joypad on your coach if you choose, that argument went out the window long time ago. And in regards of exclusives, Nintendo is the go-to machine. Not because the other consoles don't have any, but because Nintendo has more unique and innovative ones. It's pretty reasonable to compare Dark Souls with Bloodborne, but you will not be able to compare Splatoon, Pikmin etc. with anything really. Again, I am only talking exclusives vs. exclusives. I don't care about the power/features/graphics of a console because it's irrelevant with a PC in my room.
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The only reason to buy a console is to play their exclusives, you can play all multi platform on a PC with a joypad on your coach if you choose, that argument went out the window long time ago. And in regards of exclusives, Nintendo is the go-to machine. Not because the other consoles don't have any, but because Nintendo has more unique and innovative ones. It's pretty reasonable to compare Dark Souls with Bloodborne, but you will not be able to compare Splatoon, Pikmin etc. with anything really. Again, I am only talking exclusives vs. exclusives. I don't care about the power/features/graphics of a console because it's irrelevant with a PC in my room.
You're saying that because you can play Dark Souls in every machine (except Nintendo ones) Pikimin is better than Bloodborne? That's a creative.
I guess Splatoon is also better than Mario 64 because Ratchet and Clank or Spyro the dragon?
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I didn't mention better, I said more unique and innovative. ;)
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Sweet, we're talking best N64 games :D For me the following games, pretty much my collection, not in any order:
Mission Impossible
Uh...really? MI is one of those games that wants to be good, but fails to execute.
So did I. One of my favorite consoles ever. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Playstation one, arguably the most influential console of all time (which I never owned), had more sales and a bigger catalog of big guns. This is all Metracritic-able, not an absolute measurement, but at least one that attempts to be objective.
The N64 had some amazing games, OOT, Mario 64, they changed or created genres by themselves. But the Playstation single handedly started making videogames a global market appealing for more than teenagers.
"arguably the most influential console of all time"?
"a bigger catalog of big guns"?
Come on. In terms of influence, the N64 had the analog stick first, rumble first, 3D platforming first, and paved the way for FPSes on consoles. PS1 had Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid. Influential, yes, but not earth-shatteringly so.
And as for big guns:
PS1
Resident Evil
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo
Tomb Raider
Twisted Metal
Crash
Spyro
Castlevania
JRPGs-a-plenty
Only the first five in that list were real game-changers, and they were, in order:
Violent
Gritty
Ugly-as-sin, but propped up by FMV
Slow simulation racing
Ugly-as-sin, not propped up by FMV
The rest was mostly sports games and shovelware.
The N64 might've not had much just for adults, but it had lots of titles that appealed to all ages, as well as a few good FPS, fighting, and sports titles. And if you want big guns:
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
GoldenEye 007/Perfect Dark
Banjo-Kazooie
Ocarina Of Time/Majora's Mask
Super Smash Bros.
Star Fox 64
Star Wars games
Top six were all game-changers, all looked good, and only one was violent (but not bloody enough to prevent lots of kids from playing it). And to help compensate for a lack of RPGs/sports titles, you get a plethora of 3D platformers, non-shovelware multiplayer party games, racing games, and wrestling games. Not to mention great cult games like Conker's Bad Fur Day, Harvest Moon 64, Jet Force Gemini, Mischief Makers, Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, Robotron 64, and Paper Mario.
And without a doubt, the N64 owned PS1 in terms of hardware:
Fast-loading, durable cartridges
Texture filtering (to prevent blockiness)
Perspective correction (to prevent texture warping in free-camera games)
Four built-in controller ports
Expansion Pak
Only drawbacks were a lack of CD audio and FMV, but they weren't greatly missed. The system had great in-engine cutscenes and great MIDI music.
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The only reason to buy a console is to play their exclusives, you can play all multi platform on a PC with a joypad on your coach if you choose, that argument went out the window long time ago. And in regards of exclusives, Nintendo is the go-to machine. Not because the other consoles don't have any, but because Nintendo has more unique and innovative ones. It's pretty reasonable to compare Dark Souls with Bloodborne, but you will not be able to compare Splatoon, Pikmin etc. with anything really. Again, I am only talking exclusives vs. exclusives. I don't care about the power/features/graphics of a console because it's irrelevant with a PC in my room.
My thoughts exactly. If a game is available on multiple platforms, try to play it on its best platform, and that's usually PC unless there's a bad port. And I agree Wii is more unique. I mean you cannot find something like Wii sports, Pikmin etc on other platforms. Of course if you have zero interest to Wii you're free to go other platforms.
My general priority for gaming hardwares would be:
1- PC
2- Wii U
3- Old consoles with large exclusives library which doesn't have a good emulator on PC.
4- PS3-PS4/XB360-XB1
5- Old consoles which has good emulators on PC but you wanna play with original stuff.
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But 7 games? Really? Pretty amazing feat, did he get 20 DLCs per game or something? Also, this isn't a PS4 thing, it's progress, you'll be installing everything not long from here.
Well GTA V the basic game is already 60GB'ish.
And he had a PSN membership, so a free game for dl every month, which must be downloaded in its entirity to the HDD :x
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The Extremist and Triad know what they are talking about :D
@ Extremist, agree with all that.
I'm not saying Playstation games aren't fun because they are, but to me Playstation always were and always will be the pop music of gaming, while they have some classics every now and again the vast majority of games are utter garbage spewed out for the brainless masses to consume, which is why they have the most sales etc, nothing to do with being the best quality/best games or not, they were the most popular and best advertised.
Nintendo have always been more innovative, they made the most important breakthroughs, the games Nintendo make always make me feel young and wild, and that's what gaming should be imo.
@Triad - Nice list i'd go:
1 - PC
2 - Nintendo(anything)
3 - Sega Mega Drive
4 - Playstation 2
5 - Everything else
Edit: Anubis, well said, I usually only ever have my Wii U / PC setup on my desk, the rest stay packed up for those binge weekends on Zelda OoT or something :D
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Come on. In terms of influence, the N64 had the analog stick first, rumble first, 3D platforming first, and paved the way for FPSes on consoles. PS1 had Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid. Influential, yes, but not earth-shatteringly so.
What? CD, Dual Analog, Memory Cards, PocketStation, DVD player, Vertical stack, Movement controls, PSX RIP, Hard Drive, HD, PS+, Remote Play, Share Play.
It's not even close.
And as for big guns:
PS1
Resident Evil
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo
Tomb Raider
Twisted Metal
Crash
Spyro
Castlevania
JRPGs-a-plenty
Only the first five in that list were real game-changers, and they were, in order:
Violent
Gritty
Ugly-as-sin, but propped up by FMV
Slow simulation racing
Ugly-as-sin, not propped up by FMV
The rest was mostly sports games and shovelware.
The N64 might've not had much just for adults, but it had lots of titles that appealed to all ages, as well as a few good FPS, fighting, and sports titles. And if you want big guns:
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
GoldenEye 007/Perfect Dark
Banjo-Kazooie
Ocarina Of Time/Majora's Mask
Super Smash Bros.
Star Fox 64
Star Wars games
the f@#! is this list? Where is Tekken? Soul Calibur? Why are JRPGS all in the same line? To make it seem like less? Why don't you group up 3d plataformers too? Or you just wanted to leave out Dragon Quest (easily on the level of FF) saga and the fact there were more Final Fantasies than Marios or Zeldas (yet you mention both zeldas as an exception? What about the revolutionary Tony Hawk? Driver? Silent Hill? Parasite Eve? The beginning of incredible sports sagas like the Madden games, the PES and the FIFAS. This was the time when they still showed up in Nintendo machines, and stopped doing so. What about Tom Clancy? The Needs for Speeds. Amazing nitpicking really... "star wars games".. lol
Look, the playstation had more great games, the numbers aren't even close. You mentioned all the N64 had to offer and missed on half the catalogue of the PS1. You nitpicked mentioning either sagas or individual titles where it fit you, it's ridiculous and childish. PS sagas had plenty more games than N64's... Tenchu, Persona, Valk Profile, Time Crisis, Syphon Filter, Grandia, Rally games, Wipeout, Vagrant Story, Street Fighters, GTA 2, Chrono Cross, Ape Scape, Ridge Racer, Soul Reaver... For f@#!s sake lol, the ratio is ridiculous. Where the top n64 on the same level and sometimes even better than the PS1 AAA titles? Sometimes. But the PS1 dwarfs the N64 in great games. How can this even be an argument when it's basically pop culture? Are you guys millennials or something? The N64 f@#!ing died mid way through the generation for f@#!'s sake. It lost its own generation war and died early. Because it didn't have games. I remember it got to a point where I had basically played all good n64 games and had to try weird shit like Quest 64 and Mischief Makers, not bad games at all, but sorry, no comparison in numbers.
And without a doubt, the N64 owned PS1 in terms of hardware:
Fast-loading, durable cartridges
Texture filtering (to prevent blockiness)
Perspective correction (to prevent texture warping in free-camera games)
Four built-in controller ports
Expansion Pak
True.
Only drawbacks were a lack of CD audio and FMV, but they weren't greatly missed. The system had great in-engine cutscenes and great MIDI music.
CD audio wasn't greatly missed? god bless fanboyism
Yes indeed @TheKomodo, Sony are the Beatles of videogaming.
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Come on. In terms of influence, the N64 had the analog stick first, rumble first, 3D platforming first, and paved the way for FPSes on consoles. PS1 had Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid. Influential, yes, but not earth-shatteringly so.
What? CD, Dual Analog, Memory Cards, PocketStation, DVD player, Vertical stack, Movement controls, PSX RIP, Hard Drive, HD, PS+, Remote Play, Share Play.
It's not even close.
And as for big guns:
PS1
Resident Evil
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo
Tomb Raider
Twisted Metal
Crash
Spyro
Castlevania
JRPGs-a-plenty
Only the first five in that list were real game-changers, and they were, in order:
Violent
Gritty
Ugly-as-sin, but propped up by FMV
Slow simulation racing
Ugly-as-sin, not propped up by FMV
The rest was mostly sports games and shovelware.
The N64 might've not had much just for adults, but it had lots of titles that appealed to all ages, as well as a few good FPS, fighting, and sports titles. And if you want big guns:
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
GoldenEye 007/Perfect Dark
Banjo-Kazooie
Ocarina Of Time/Majora's Mask
Super Smash Bros.
Star Fox 64
Star Wars games
the f@#! is this list? Where is Tekken? Soul Calibur? Why are JRPGS all in the same line? To make it seem like less? Why don't you group up 3d plataformers too? Or you just wanted to leave out Dragon Quest (easily on the level of FF) saga and the fact there were more Final Fantasies than Marios or Zeldas (yet you mention both zeldas as an exception? What about the revolutionary Tony Hawk? Driver? Silent Hill? Parasite Eve? The beginning of incredible sports sagas like the Madden games, the PES and the FIFAS. This was the time when they still showed up in Nintendo machines, and stopped doing so. What about Tom Clancy? The Needs for Speeds. Amazing nitpicking really... "star wars games".. lol
Look, the playstation had more great games, the numbers aren't even close. You mentioned all the N64 had to offer and missed on half the catalogue of the PS1. You nitpicked mentioning either sagas or individual titles where it fit you, it's ridiculous and childish. PS sagas had plenty more games than N64's... Tenchu, Persona, Valk Profile, Time Crisis, Syphon Filter, Grandia, Rally games, Wipeout, Vagrant Story, Street Fighters, GTA 2, Chrono Cross, Ape Scape, Ridge Racer, Soul Reaver... For f@#!s sake lol, the ratio is ridiculous. Where the top n64 on the same level and sometimes even better than the PS1 AAA titles? Sometimes. But the PS1 dwarfs the N64 in great games. How can this even be an argument when it's basically pop culture? Are you guys millennials or something? The N64 f@#!ing died mid way through the generation for f@#!'s sake. It lost its own generation war and died early. Because it didn't have games. I remember it got to a point where I had basically played all good n64 games and had to try weird shit like Quest 64 and Mischief Makers, not bad games at all, but sorry, no comparison in numbers.
And without a doubt, the N64 owned PS1 in terms of hardware:
Fast-loading, durable cartridges
Texture filtering (to prevent blockiness)
Perspective correction (to prevent texture warping in free-camera games)
Four built-in controller ports
Expansion Pak
True.
Only drawbacks were a lack of CD audio and FMV, but they weren't greatly missed. The system had great in-engine cutscenes and great MIDI music.
CD audio wasn't greatly missed? god bless fanboyism
Yes indeed @TheKomodo, Sony are the Beatles of videogaming.
Please bash the applaud button for ropa, hes the beatles of gaming central subforums, said everything i wanted to say but was too lazy to type. Everything here is right, i cringed a little at the mention of JRPG, but this is more or less on point.
I will note that you totally disregarded SOCOM, which was the first multiplayer game that basically used voice chat for the first time in a meaningful strategic way, my old roommate had a clan in 2002 that he ended up meeting in RL. This basically launched the console multiplayer era, which nintendo tried to keep up with, in vain. If nintendo didnt have IP's that were created 30 years ago, they would be out of business by now.
I like the 64 as much as anyone, but if sony or microsoft put out some shit like the Wii U, they would be out of business. The only meaningful thing Nintendo has done in the last 10 years is retaining their exclusive IP's like mario, zelda, ect. Thank God for Miyamoto, without him, this company would be more like Atari than Nintendo.
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What? CD, Dual Analog, Memory Cards, PocketStation, DVD player, Vertical stack, Movement controls, PSX RIP, Hard Drive, HD, PS+, Remote Play, Share Play.
It's not even close.
Sega CD came first. The dual analog on PS1 wasn't used to great effect - it was barely a 3D console. Memory cards were only a thing because CD consoles can't save to cartridge (on N64, a few carts didn't have saves to cut costs). PocketStation was Japan only (right up there with the 64DD, eh?). Everything else is PS2 or later (and you accuse ME of "creative" lists?).
the f@#! is this list? Where is Tekken? Soul Calibur?
You mean Soul Blade. Soul Calibur was on Dreamcast. And they're a million miles apart both technologically and aesthetically. Soul Blade is like a souped-up Virtua Fighter 1, Soul Calibur set the standard for weapon-based fighters. Tekken has always been a poor man's Street Fighter.
Why are JRPGS all in the same line? To make it seem like less? Why don't you group up 3d plataformers too?
Because they almost all blended into one another. Same with the N64's 3D platformers, which I did group together aside from SM64, Banjo, and Conker, which are hallmarks of the genre. Also, 3D didn't immediately add much to JRPGs. They were the same gameplay on PS1 as they were on SNES, just with the addition of bad character models and FMV.
What about the revolutionary Tony Hawk? Driver? Silent Hill? Parasite Eve?
Tony Hawk was on N64 too. Admittedly with blood and a lot of music removed, but it was still pretty damn good.
Driver was a cult classic, but became a distant memory when GTA III released a couple years later.
Silent Hill and Parasite Eve? More horror for adults. When you look at games that had mass appeal, PS1 has little to offer in comparison to N64.
The beginning of incredible sports sagas like the Madden games, the PES and the FIFAS. This was the time when they still showed up in Nintendo machines, and stopped doing so.
I already gave the sports trophy to Sony, though they're the junk food of gaming. They're kinda fun and sell well, but they're nothing special. N64 had some good baseball games, FWIW.
What about Tom Clancy? The Needs for Speeds. Amazing nitpicking really... "star wars games".. lol
Tom Clancy/Need For Speed didn't mean much on consoles until the next generation. And the N64 has three widely remembered Star Wars games in Shadows of the Empire, Rogue Squadron, and Episode I: Racer. It's not nitpicking to include them.
Look, the playstation had more great games, the numbers aren't even close. You mentioned all the N64 had to offer and missed on half the catalogue of the PS1. You nitpicked mentioning either sagas or individual titles where it fit you, it's ridiculous and childish. PS sagas had plenty more games than N64's... Tenchu, Persona, Valk Profile, Time Crisis, Syphon Filter, Grandia, Rally games, Wipeout, Vagrant Story, Street Fighters, GTA 2, Chrono Cross, Ape Scape, Ridge Racer, Soul Reaver... For f@#!s sake lol, the ratio is ridiculous. Where the top n64 on the same level and sometimes even better than the PS1 AAA titles? Sometimes. But the PS1 dwarfs the N64 in great games. How can this even be an argument when it's basically pop culture? Are you guys millennials or something? The N64 f@#!ing died mid way through the generation for f@#!'s sake. It lost its own generation war and died early. Because it didn't have games. I remember it got to a point where I had basically played all good n64 games and had to try weird shit like Quest 64 and Mischief Makers, not bad games at all, but sorry, no comparison in numbers.
Define "great games". A bunch of samey fighting games? Check. A bunch of samey JRPGs? Check. Last-gen sidescrollers and SHMUPs? Check. Linear, simplistic 3D platformers like Crash, Spyro, and Ape Escape, when the N64 got adventures like Banjo and a superior port of Rayman 2? (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/games-discussion-1000000/did-anybody-else-know-that-the-ps1-version-of-raym-28939837/) Check.
The PS1 did have some notable titles, but the ones on N64 were more advanced and more polished. Don't mistake grittiness for quality. If you have an absolute need for the PS1's mature catalogue and are willing to accept its underwhelming 3D capabilities and mondo loading times, be my guest. :P
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Look at that post, a bunch of trivial reasons for the dismissal of great games just because you apparently don't like fighting, jrpgs, sport and action games
it's like me saying the N64 had a bunch of samey plataformers and party games. But I've actually played those games, so I would never make such a simploid claim.
it's ridiculous, you're basically a pokemon
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Let me reiterate my points, and simplify them...
PS1 is too "dudebro", N64 is too "kiddy". It can be called a wash in terms of target audiences.
PS1 had Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy VII/VIII/IX, Gran Turismo, and Tomb Raider. N64 had Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, GoldenEye 007/Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Ocarina Of Time/Majora's Mask, and Super Smash Bros. AAA genre defining titles can also be considered a wash.
And of course, PS1 won in both sales and quantity of games released. But none of this changes the fact that PS1 games look worse than N64 games (it was pretty much 2.5D, a slightly more beefy Saturn), have much longer loading times, there are fewer 4-player multiplayer titles, and a huge chunk of the PS1's massive library was utterly forgettable. This is why I boil the PS1 down to a single net benefit - more games for a mature audience.
If you still insist that all my arguments are null and void because I'm forgetting a few fighting and survival-horror games (I can bring the snark too, fella). then here's a little game. List all the "great but not GOAT" PS1 games you can - your Silents Hills, Parasite Eves, Drivers, Tekkens - and I'll do the same for N64. Then the others can pass final judgement on which is more worthy.
You first. I've been up all night fixing a RAM problem...
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Both consoles had great games, dunno why you two are arguing about which is better. I loved Gran Tursimo, Resident Evil, Destruction Derby, Street Fighter, Dark Omen etc. just as much as I liked Turok, WCW vs NWO Revenge, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Golden Eye, F-Zero etc.. The ONLY real benefit of the N64 was, that it had better multiplayer titles (and 4 player Splitscreen). PS1 awesome games were pretty much single player for the most part.
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I'm sorry but that list is mediocre, I already listed a bunch of AAA games you dismissed for retarded reasons such as "Tekken is poor man's Street Fighter", yet you not include SF either hah.
If you think having Final Fantasy there and not having FF Tactics, the Dragon Warriors, Vagrant Story etc, makes any sense?... or having Tomb Raider and not having Crash Bandicoot? Having GT but not having Ridge Racer, (or GT2). And then claim you could add plenty more for the n64? please dude, what you gonna add? Diddy Kong Racing?
Your dismissal of games based on their graphical power or the way their models look is also nerve breaking considering Nintendo is only alive thanks to their handheld market of pseudo 3d pikachus
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dunno why you two are arguing about which is better
I'm not. I made a statement: the PSX had a bigger catalog of great games. He's been trying to debate it with mediocre attempts at dismissing half of PSX's legendary sagas with some of the most colorful points I've ever read. And I'm sure you know what colorful means.
It's ridiculous. And the difference between me and the guy is that whilst his mom didn't allow him to have a PSX because of the blood, I have all those N64 games he speaks about, including guns, rumblepacks, wheels and that random 3D expansion that came with DK. I'm probably a bigger fan than he is. Probably can hand his ass to him in Goldeneye, any Pokemon generation or smash bros. The difference is the "boy" part, I'm a fan, not a fanboy.
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can you guys wrap it up? :D
as with all brand vs brand fights, each its own taste.
Let's say all consoles are good, but just 'different'. Except that cheapass chinese ripoff console, that's just crap.
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Let's say all consoles are good, but just 'different'.
This statement is fallacious though, nintendo has by far the most loyal fanbase, yet despite this advantage, its console gets outsold 3 to 1 when compared with the PS4. If there was no mario or zelda, this inferior console would have already been phased out of the market, and that is the honest truth. The Wii U is using last-gen technology, it barely outperforms the PS3 and xbox 360.
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Let's say all consoles are good, but just 'different'.
This statement is fallacious though, nintendo has by far the most loyal fanbase, yet despite this advantage, its console gets outsold 3 to 1 when compared with the PS4. If there was no mario or zelda, this inferior console would have already been phased out of the market, and that is the honest truth. The Wii U is using last-gen technology, it barely outperforms the PS3 and xbox 360.
What HHC said is perfectly true, all consoles have a loyal fanbase, and these days a lot of people have Nintendo/Sony & Microsoft gaming in their homes, not just 1.
I bet if you were to ask the people in control of Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, they would all have big respect for each other, and I bet especially Sony/Microsoft look up to Nintendo in terms of gaming and their historic feats.
There is some truth in what you are saying though, such as Nintendo being outsold, and using last generation technology, but those things don't even matter, Nintendo are a business and they still turn profit, regardless of who makes more, Nintendo make enough to keep going, give us great games, and make a profit for themselves, and who needs to give a f**k about next generation? If a game is good it's good, regardless of hardware/software used.
Plus, Nintendo is more affordable for families, I got it new, with 2 games, for less than half the price of the PS4, the games are not as expensive either which means I have more money to buy other stuff :)
If you really really like gaming though, you would have every console you could get your hands on :)
The main reason I talk sh*t about Sony/Xbox is because of f**king piece of sh*t Call of Duty, and their stupid online subscriptions, get a Nintendo and play for free(so far...), but at the end of the day, I truly enjoy gaming on any platform.
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Plus, Nintendo is more affordable for families, I got it new, with 2 games, for less than half the price of the PS4, the games are not as expensive either which means I have more money to buy other stuff :)
XBOX 1 is by FAR the cheaper of them at least in Chile. We usually buy stuff in Chile or overseas and sell them in Argentina and we have bought 2 X1 and 2 PS4 so far. 1 Xbox for 205 USD, the other for 270 USD both brand new. You just need to know where to look for or have a girl who can smell a sale miles away :D.
We never buy new games, you can get a pre owned game on facebook for a fraction of the price, I wouldn't pay more than 18USD for Fallout 4 if I can get it new for 5 more dollars :o.
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Your dismissal of games based on their graphical power or the way their models look is also nerve breaking considering Nintendo is only alive thanks to their handheld market of pseudo 3d pikachus
That's only half true. Yes, Nintendo's strength is in handheld, but they make money on console hardware. It's part of the reason why they've been missing features/power from the N64 onwards - to save money.
All of the game lists I've made so far were reduced to just the absolute most highly regarded games, plus a few cult classics. You don't want to do your mid-tier master list first? Alrighty then...
Wave Race 64
F-Zero X
1080° Snowboarding
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2
Banjo-Tooie
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Star Wars: Shadows Of The Empire
Star Wars Episode I: Racer
Paper Mario
WWF No Mercy
Turok 2: Seeds Of Evil
Rayman 2: The Great Escape (superior to the PS1 version)
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Party 1, 2, & 3
Beetle Adventure Racing
Extreme-G
Diddy Kong Racing
Blast Corps
San Francisco Rush 2049
Hydro Thunder
Like I said, the N64 is the place to be for platforming, racing, and party games, just like the PS1 is the place to be for sports, JRPG, and survival horror.
You see, my argument is that the PS1 isn't inherently better just because it does well in certain genres, because the N64 has its own genres that it's good at. No, what makes the N64 better is that it caters to all ages, and is more powerful. Power isn't everything, but the gap is big in this case. The PS1 would've done a Wii U had both systems used the same storage medium.
It's ridiculous. And the difference between me and the guy is that whilst his mom didn't allow him to have a PSX because of the blood, I have all those N64 games he speaks about, including guns, rumblepacks, wheels and that random 3D expansion that came with DK. I'm probably a bigger fan than he is. Probably can hand his ass to him in Goldeneye, any Pokemon generation or smash bros. The difference is the "boy" part, I'm a fan, not a fanboy.
Blood and violence didn't have much to do with why I went N64 instead of PS1. I played Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero and Perfect Dark, and those are plenty bloody. I went N64 because the PS1 has s***ty graphics, a s***ty controller, s***ty loading times, and slim pickings in terms of sprawling adventure games aside from JRPGs, which I can't stand. I need open worlds and real-time combat (Worms being the exception), hence why I adore The Elder Scrolls.
Smash Bros., you'd probably beat me at - I've mostly just played against the CPU since Melee. Pokémon, maybe. It's a pretty simplistic game that leans more towards grinding than skill. GoldenEye, now we're talking. I've trained with the best via netplay, and came second in a local tournament. I'm a hardcore GE/PD fan.
I'm done fiddling with emulators (at least until CEN64 (http://cen64.com/) is done...), but I'll happily challenge you to a few matches in Perfect Dark XBLA (even though I don't like the port for a lot of reasons). ^_^
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I'm done fiddling with emulators (at least until CEN64 (http://cen64.com/) is done...), but I'll happily challenge you to a few matches in Perfect Dark XBLA (even though I don't like the port for a lot of reasons). ^_^
Hmm, I loved Goldeneye / Perfect Dark and I wonder, if you guys were to take on a challenge against each other, would you be interested in streaming it for charity? I'd donate about £50 if you guys took it seriously, wonder if anyone else would chip in? :)
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Everyone who has played Goldeneye says they were amazing at it.
Oh, licence to kill with power weapons in the complex.
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The Extremist, the N64 released less than 300 games here in Europe. The PSX more than 2.000
I'm done with you, count green squares
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/ps/metascore?view=condensed
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/n64/metascore
The PSX had more good games than the N64, period. You think Banjo Kazooie has more depth than Dragon Warrior? You where born in the 2000s? Good for you. That doesn't give you the right to dismiss facts. Have a good one.
I'm done fiddling with emulators (at least until CEN64 (http://cen64.com/) is done...), but I'll happily challenge you to a few matches in Perfect Dark XBLA (even though I don't like the port for a lot of reasons). ^_^
Hmm, I loved Goldeneye / Perfect Dark and I wonder, if you guys were to take on a challenge against each other, would you be interested in streaming it for charity? I'd donate about £50 if you guys took it seriously, wonder if anyone else would chip in? :)
Seeing his hate for PSX games (for reasons), the way he went out of his way to declare himself an Elder Scrolls fanboy (Souls games >>>>>) and the general way in which he speaks videogames; I don't think the poor soul stands the slightest of chances in a FPS. Plus Goldeneye 1v1 sucks, not to mention it's been too long and I don't know the maps in detail anymore. We can do Mario Kart or SSB through an emulator, forget about the money though, I'm happy enough beating a Nintendo fanboy at Nintendo games. We can even do Pokemon.
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Still, quite impressive that N64 almost pulled off as many 90+ games as the PSX with 1/6th of their games. ;D
Oh btw, another big MINUS for N64 were the game prices, PSX games were 99DM (before EURO), N64 were up to 149 DM in some cases, lowest around 119. You always payed more for N64 than for PSX. At least in Germany.
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Still, quite impressive that N64 almost pulled off as many 90+ games as the PSX with 1/6th of their games. ;D
Oh btw, another big MINUS for N64 were the game prices, PSX games were 99DM (before EURO), N64 were up to 149 DM in some cases, lowest around 119. You always payed more for N64 than for PSX. At least in Germany.
At the end of the day PSX was revolutionary in how easy it was to develop for it. The toolkit, the jump to CD (also fits in a PC), how cheap it was... all that meant that basically anyone could make a game for it. There are really bizarre examples of this, similar to the APPstores of today where you can find truly epìc shits.
The N64 was a different story, not only did it have a much smaller market share and it was more expensive to develop for it meant that people weren't willing to take as many risks unless it was a very experienced company or a sure bet. This is also one of the reasons why most of their best games are made by Nintendo or have a strong collaboration with the parent company.
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Playstation ended up being cheaper here because everyone was getting them chipped for like £20 :D
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You think Banjo Kazooie has more depth than Dragon Warrior? You where born in the 2000s? Good for you. That doesn't give you the right to dismiss facts. Have a good one.
Dragon Quest/Warrior is not inherently better than Banjo-Kazooie. One is a standard JPRG with a focus on story and stats over gameplay variety and level design, and the other is a full-fledged 3D adventure with simple but charming character traits. It depends entirely on your taste in gaming, and I'll take fully-realized 3D worlds over rote fantasy dialogue and number crunching.
the way he went out of his way to declare himself an Elder Scrolls fanboy (Souls games >>>>>)
Again, Elder Scrolls and Dark Souls are two different styles. One is huge with low attention to detail, and the other is compact with high attention to detail. Both series are highly regarded, and again, it's a matter of taste.
I have yet to make any sweeping statements without evidence. I've said, accurately, that the PS1 focuses on one set of genres, and the N64 focuses on another. N64 is the net better technology, with a single drawback of small, expensive cartridges, which limited the number of games released. But the good games that did get released can easily go toe-to-toe with the PS1's good games in terms of innovation and gameplay quality, which unfortunately for your side, aren't euphemisms for mature themes and FMV.
Seriously, just put out your list of great sub-masterpiece PS1 games, and let the people decide.
and the general way in which he speaks videogames; I don't think the poor soul stands the slightest of chances in a FPS. Plus Goldeneye 1v1 sucks, not to mention it's been too long and I don't know the maps in detail anymore. We can do Mario Kart or SSB through an emulator, forget about the money though, I'm happy enough beating a Nintendo fanboy at Nintendo games. We can even do Pokemon.
I guess you didn't hear the part where I don't emulate consoles anymore. Too inaccurate, too many fiddly settings and crashes. If you want to play something, it's gotta be an Xbox or PC release (I have a Wii U, but Mario Kart 8 doesn't demand a lot of skill, and you'd easily crush me in Smash 4). And again, all it takes to be good at Pokémon is basic stat knowledge and grinding, and after putting nearly 200 hours into Skyrim, I'm sick of grinding.
I'll happily give you 10 days to prepare on either PD XBLA, a Halo game of your choosing, or an Unreal Tournament game of your choosing.
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Not much to reply to in that post...
Seriously, just put out your list of great sub-masterpiece PS1 games, and let the people decide.
Why? Who said anything about master pieces? I claimed the PS1 had more good games than the N64, there's two links in my last post proving the statement, are you ready to challenge that or you're going to keep changing the terminology to suit your argumentation?
I guess you didn't hear the part where I don't emulate consoles anymore
N64 runs on browsers and phones. Emulating it for online play is easy as shit unless you're a cyberboor who plays shooters with gamepads. "Halo game of your choosing". What are you? a cross-breed between a nintendofag and a xboxican hating on the PSX? My god
Mario Kart 8 doesn't demand a lot of skill
Lmao. You're a surface gamer (a housewife with steam). Please stop embarrasing yourself.
I don't want to generalize but f@#!ing hell:
Nintendo fanboy - check
Haloican - check
Computer iliterate - check
Plays FPS with gamepad - check
Sucks terribly at fighting games - check
Thinks you only need some bare stat knowledge and grind to be succesful at Pokemon - check
You're what we call here in Spain an "I-want-but-I-can't"
You can't stand MOBAs either amirite? Probably play Smite some, LOL. This is how I roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2ihDhbWDk)
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closing thread, all said and done, discussion not going anywhere
edit: reopened, one more try.
Ropa, Extremist, keep it civil and short. No nitpicking posts. State what you think and how you feel. Understand that other people have their own favs. Post your own view, accept another guy's's (speeling?).
Neway, as said, one more try.
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Objectively ropa is right though, the evidence is clear that PSX had more "good" games. I (my family) also had over 150 PSX games and "only" 40ish N64 games, my brothers both played video games and they are older and had jobs, so I got to experience all the good games of both consoles. And to be honest, N64 games were, for the most part, more fun. Not because they were better or looked better, it was because they allowed Multiplayer, almost all of them. A 4 player Mario Party or Kart is just subjectively more fun than a Resident Evil or Final Fantasy. One game is made to have fun, the other is made to make you think/feel the atmosphere and enjoy the story, "fun" is a side product. Of course as a teen/kid "fun" is a lot more valuable than the story. Nowadays I would easily say the PSX was better than the N64, I have matured I don't really have easy access to meet up and play video games like I used to be able when both my brothers and school friends were more often around.
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the best part about the PSX was every month demos CD with your favorite videogame magazine
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Objectively ropa is right though, the evidence is clear that PSX had more "good" games.
Well, they definitely had more games, but I wouldn't say they were all good, I loved a few games for PS but most PS games were pretty meh...
I always enjoyed feel good games like Zelda/Mario/Donkey Kong Country/Sonic etc...
With awesome epic and cheesy music, nice interesting warming animations, fun characters, stuff that makes you laugh and smile!
As Extremist said earlier Sony is more violent and depressing, survival and horror, sports, and that's just boring to me, I mean to me football is one of the most god awful biggest crybaby pussy sports on the planet, but it's the most popular sport in the world... And no doubt FIFA is the biggest sports games on the planet.
I can't deny Playstation was popular and really really really successful, but then again so was Justin Beiber...
Nowadays I would easily say the PSX was better than the N64, I have matured I don't really have easy access to meet up and play video games like I used to be able when both my brothers and school friends were more often around.
Really? When I compare both now N64 looks better and plays better, and although N64 doesn't have CD playback, the musical scores from composers such as Hiroki Kikuta(Secret of Mana) and Koji Kondo(Zelda/Mario) to name a few are just legendary.
(Edit - Forgot to mention comparing Nintendo against Sony here, not just N64/PS).
By far the best scores the PS ever had were from Final Fantasy.
And even nowadays I can play multiplayer with friends on N64 and we have a lot of fun, people whistle and beatbox classic N64 songs, nobody really plays PS anymore.
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I always enjoyed feel good games like Zelda/Mario/Donkey Kong Country/Sonic etc...
With awesome epic and cheesy music, nice interesting warming animations, fun characters, stuff that makes you laugh and smile!
nostalgia is cute
people whistle and beatbox classic N64 songs
and there's an ongoing final fantasy orchesta, what's your point? you're clearly only looking at one side of the picture, and pretty awfully too
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nostalgia is cute
Nostalgia? Do you think I haven't played any Mario/Zelda/Donkey Kong/Sonic game since N64 days? We only just mentioned Zelda: Breath of the Wild within the last week.
I was giving an example of what satisfies my personal taste.
and there's an ongoing final fantasy orchesta, what's your point? you're clearly only looking at one side of the picture, and pretty awfully too
Indeed, and really hope to see them at some point :)
I clearly am not, but just to inform you there are other people that live on this planet, and they don't all think like you.
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if you want to present an opinion you should argument both sides, otherwise you're just sprouting random facts while making it look like you're making a point
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if you want to present an opinion you should argument both sides, otherwise you're just sprouting random facts while making it look like you're making a point
Well I was actually just sprouting random opinions not facts, but why the need to argue both sides when all I really wanted to say was I like N64 more than PS and a few reasons why? The biggest part of how I got into music production stems from Nintendo games/music, everything was just so right for me with their stuff, I am not trying to change your opinion or anything.
I don't need to be "right" or "wrong" on this, and I don't need to state all the "facts" and technical stuff when you and Extremist are doing a perfectly fine job of that :) (Which you guys know more than me anyway)
So, PS had more "good" games than N64, and N64 is more expensive, but I dunno that doesn't bother me, i've always preferred quality over quantity and i've always been one who kept my games to a mimimum anyway while most of my friends had 40-50+ games for each console, I only had like 10 or something.
Also I think if you take the top 10 PS games against the top 10 N64 games, i'd put my money on N64 if like 1000 random people had some sort of test where they had to play all 20 games for like a day each and decide what they liked better, I might lose my money but whatever, you come into the world with nothing, you leave with nothing :D
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Why? Who said anything about master pieces? I claimed the PS1 had more good games than the N64, there's two links in my last post proving the statement, are you ready to challenge that or you're going to keep changing the terminology to suit your argumentation?
Just posting a link to a review aggregator isn't good enough. Many high ranking games are cult classics with niche appeal. I've already listed the PS1's & N64's highest tier games in terms of notoriety, and the N64's mid tier. Since you seem to be avoiding doing the work yourself, I'll also do the PS1's mid tier (in my next post, busy right now).
N64 runs on browsers and phones. Emulating it for online play is easy as shit unless you're a cyberboor who plays shooters with gamepads.
Not accurately. CEN64 is an upcoming cycle-accurate N64 emulator, which cannot run at full speed on today's top-tier PCs.
I'm a stickler for original hardware. I CAN play GE/PD/Mario Kart on emulator, with either KB/M or gamepad, but I don't WANT to, because they don't look or feel right. Not even close. And netplay needs really good connections - even if I were to set it up, the lag against Europe would be unbearable. At least PD XBLA has smooth online play, if nothing else...
"Halo game of your choosing". What are you? a cross-breed between a nintendofag and a xboxican hating on the PSX? My god
I've always hated the PlayStation controller. Xbox controller is easier to hold, more space between the sticks, raised buttons so you can tell what you're pressing.
I also liked Halo (emphasis on the liked, it's gone to s*** since Bungie left). I find shooting aliens/faceless supersoldiers more fun than the jingoistic military simulators that are COD and Battlefield.
Mario Kart 8 doesn't demand a lot of skill
Lmao. You're a surface gamer (a housewife with steam). Please stop embarrasing yourself.
How does what I said indicate that I don't know anything about games? Is it the mere fact that I play Mario Kart 8? Everybody does. And it DOESN'T require much skill. The way the boost/item system is, once you're good at the basics, it's mostly rolling the dice. Show evidence that I'm wrong instead of insults.
I don't want to generalize but f@#!ing hell:
Nintendo fanboy - check
Haloican - check
Computer iliterate - check
Plays FPS with gamepad - check
Sucks terribly at fighting games - check
Thinks you only need some bare stat knowledge and grind to be succesful at Pokemon - check
Nintendo fanboy - Yes, that's right. So what?
Haloican - Up until Reach, at least. So what?
Computer iliterate - I've built multiple computers from scratch, picking all the parts manually, as well as fully configured multiple Windows installations from scratch. I've done Sysprep, manually mastered CDs/DVDs/VCD, overclocked, even done meshes & animations in 3ds max.
Plays FPS with gamepad - I play console shooters with gamepad, PC shooters with KB/M.
Sucks terribly at fighting games - I don't even play regular (MK/SF/Tekken) fighters. They're so damn boring. I need a gimmick, which is why I like Smash and Soul Calibur. But no, I'm not good at them, simply because I don't care enough about them. I dedicate myself to Zelda/Elder Scrolls/WA/racing games.
Thinks you only need some bare stat knowledge and grind to be succesful at Pokemon - Please prove otherwise.
You can't stand MOBAs either amirite?
I can't stand any RTS games. I just don't like 'em. Anything wrong with that?
Look, you have a PC, right? I'd be happy to play Unreal Tournament or WA against you.
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N64 runs on browsers and phones. Emulating it for online play is easy as shit unless you're a cyberboor who plays shooters with gamepads.
Not accurately. CEN64 is an upcoming cycle-accurate N64 emulator, which cannot run at full speed on today's top-tier PCs.
Sounds like a piece of shit if it cant emulate a 20 year old system at full speed on current tier PC's. Whats the point in even developing software if its going to suck that much?
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Sounds like a piece of shit if it cant emulate a 20 year old system at full speed on current tier PC's. Whats the point in even developing software if its going to suck that much?
Accuracy needs power. Not only is the N64's MIPS architecture completely different from x86, emulating the exact timing/order of operations adds another layer of complexity.
Try reading the CEN64 forum. You'll see what lengths the developer has to go to to squeeze more speed out of it. Hopefully, the next gen of CPUs will make things easier.
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Sounds like a piece of shit if it cant emulate a 20 year old system at full speed on current tier PC's. Whats the point in even developing software if its going to suck that much?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634041
If you don't know something, try googling it instead of turning(purposely or not) this lovely thread negative.
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Walrus is right though. It is a pretty shitty card if it can't run games up to the Wii at full speed.
Full accuracy is a different thing but it really doesn't make much of a gameplay difference (it might in some specific games). It's mostly about preservation. I've had high level hot seat SSBrawl games on the PC and we've played it no problem and no differences that we could appreciate.
@TheExtremist, you're casul buddy
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I've used Dolphin, and even though it's mostly HLE (higher speed/lower accuracy), it's still much better than current HLE N64 emulators. This may just be a matter of more dedicated developers, but it may also be due to the N64's unique architecture and the way some N64 games were developed, especially games by Factor 5, Rareware, and Boss Studios (i.e., close to the metal):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=734779
@TheExtremist, you're casul buddy
Care to elaborate?
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I've used Dolphin, and even though it's mostly HLE (higher speed/lower accuracy), It's still much better than current HLE N64 emulators. This may just be a matter of more dedicated developers, but it may also be due to the N64's unique architecture and the way some N64 games were developed, especially games by Factor 5, Rareware, and Boss Studios (i.e., close to the metal)
Oh shut the hell up dude. People do speedrunning on emulators, Mario 64, Super Mario World. On ROM hacks too. OOOOH it plays so differently I can't handle it. Stop the bullshit. If you don't want me to own you at Nintendo games that's ok, no excuses needed, I'm not going to play Unreal f@#!ing Tournament either lol.
Care to elaborate?
the games you speak of, they're all games average children can complete. You also don't play two of the most competitive genres ever because "reasons". Totally awful at WA too by the looks of it. You're an Elder's Scroll super fan for god's sake.
All this talk had me download Skyward Sword yesterday, I think the only Zelda I haven't played or completed, I wish I could have skip the first one or two hours of the game because I couldn't even get myself to sit through all that awkward and retarded Nintendo hand holding. I have no idea how people can still play this shit after a certain age. Besides those who have failed to grow up or have nostalgia of a better time, when they were just a kid and not yet a failure. It's as if Nintendo has realized its current fanbase is just not very intelligent. I just couldn't handle it, and that's something, since ALTTP is my favorite game of all time.
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Oh shut the hell up dude. People do speedrunning on emulators, Mario 64, Super Mario World. On ROM hacks too. OOOOH it plays so differently I can't handle it. Stop the bullshit. If you don't want me to own you at Nintendo games that's ok, no excuses needed, I'm not going to play Unreal f@#!ing Tournament either lol.
It's not so much that they play differently, but they look, sound, and overall feel different. I'm real sensitive to this stuff. A brief glance at CEN64 footage, and aside from a known lighting bug, I can tell straight away that the colours and animations are way closer to hardware than today's most popular N64 emulators. I just don't WANT to play N64 games in a half-assed state anymore.
the games you speak of, they're all games average children can complete. You also don't play two of the most competitive genres ever because "reasons". Totally awful at WA too by the looks of it. You're an Elder's Scroll super fan for god's sake.
I've 100%ed all the 3D Zeldas, beaten 3 of the 4 mainline Bungie Halos on Legendary, put nearly 200 hours each into TES Oblivion and TES Skyrim, once drew NNNxBytor, and am now working on Dirt Rally, a pretty hardcore simulator. I wouldn't dare call myself "competitive", but "casual"? Come. On.
And what the hell is wrong with not liking certain genres? Or for that matter, liking The Elder Scrolls? You like review aggregators so much, chew on these:
http://www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/927345-the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion/index.html
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion
http://www.mobygames.com/game/xbox360/elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion
http://www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/615803-the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/index.html
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim
http://www.mobygames.com/game/xbox360/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim
(If you're wondering where Morrowind is, it came out before I got into the genre, and I find it too dated now.)
Learn some tact, fella...
P.S. Unreal Tournament's a solid FPS. What's your beef with it?
P.P.S. Set a date. I'll play you in either Intermediate, Elite, Team17, BnG, or Fly Shopper. Take your pick.
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doesn't rope either, figures
Morrowind came out before you got into what genre? RPGs? How casual can you be
Emulators are good enough for speedrunning but not good enough for the guy to get owned at his favorite games. Reasons, reasons and more reasons.
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doesn't rope either, figures
Morrowind came out before you got into what genre? RPGs? How casual can you be
Emulators are good enough for speedrunning but not good enough for the guy to get owned at his favorite games. Reasons, reasons and more reasons.
Roping is monotonous. I've never liked it. Still plenty of skill in normal schemes, as NNN has shown. Fly Shopper is a fun diversion, though.
Elder Scrolls Oblivion was the first RPG that really impressed me not only with its do-anything open world, but with it's PC-style graphics on console. A big step up from all those story-and-numbers over technical achievement JRPGs. Unfortunately, Morrowind is smaller and grungier, with much less voice acting than Oblivion. I crave high production values. I don't play 2D games - WAY dated, just like all those kinda-3D PS1 games.
You keep saying "reasons" like I'm making excuses. Those "reasons" are goddamn PERSONAL TASTE. You're starting to sound real prickish. You refuse to make a list of good PS1 games because "numbers on a site", you refuse to play Unreal Tournament because "lol"...I'm starting to see why you've got a reputation around here.
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how old are you?
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how old are you?
27. My first game was Doom II on PC, in 1995 or 1996.
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doesn't rope either, figures
Morrowind came out before you got into what genre? RPGs? How casual can you be
Emulators are good enough for speedrunning but not good enough for the guy to get owned at his favorite games. Reasons, reasons and more reasons.
I don't play 2D games - WAY dated, just like all those kinda-3D PS1 games.
I don't even... what?
Also, I just checked, N64 released approx. 2 years later in the west, that's almost as cruel as comparing a WiiU with a PS4 which was only 1 year apart. Not that Nintendo tried to impress with graphics anymore, but still. Back then the technology was still improving so fast, 2 years made a big impact in terms of graphic quality. Everyone that had a SNES had to wait 3 more years for a new Nintendo console or get a PSX which was already a 32bit system and VASTLY superior than a SNES or MegaDrive. Nintendo stuck too long with their SNES and thus lost the race just because it was too late. Again, comparing a XBONE and a PS4 is fine, they used samey technology. But a N64 vs a PS1 is a pretty far fetched duel in terms of graphic fidelity imo, they are different generation. N64 was 64 bit (obviously) and PS1 was a 32bit system. Nobody compares SNES with PS1 graphical wise because it makes no sense. So you should only compare game quality.
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I don't even... what?
As soon as I played stuff like Star Fox 64 and Wave Race 64, 2D was dead to me. WA is the only one I can stand thanks to the incredible customization and physics engine.
Again, I crave high production values. One of my favorite consoles is the original Xbox. Blew the PS2 away graphically, hard drive allowed for bigger worlds than the GameCube, and the games published by Microsoft had some serious budgets.
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Care to share who and/or what you're laughing at?
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Thought you were going to say 15 or 16.
"I don't do 2D", "I don't do RTS", "I don't do Sony", "I don't do JRPG". You're a casual bag of prejudices, it's not even very fun arguing with you seeing as your experience in the topic is clearly limited to your own self imposed taste. At 27, it's perhaps time to broaden your horizons. I'm not saying you should do things you don't like, of course not. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't allow prejudices to lead you, specially in regards to things you haven't even given a chance but judged either way.
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The reasons CEN64 lags on some PC are because it's still on early state and it's cycle accurate. They're aiming to run entire N64 library. Project64 uses some hacks to make games look like its original n64 version. While it makes popular titles playable, it makes obscure titles completely broken. They'll work on lower specs after some development obviously. Of course Project 64 is still playable for me but why I shouldn't want a better emulator? Not to mention with new gfx cards released, it's cheaper to build a decent PC.
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The reasons CEN64 lags on some PC are because it's still on early state and it's cycle accurate. They're aiming to run entire N64 library. Project64 uses some hacks to make games look like its original n64 version. While it makes popular titles playable, it makes obscure titles completely broken. They'll work on lower specs after some development obviously. Of course Project 64 is still playable for me but why I shouldn't want a better emulator? Not to mention with new gfx cards released, it's cheaper to build a decent PC.
what games are unplayable on Project64 again?
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Thought you were going to say 15 or 16.
"I don't do 2D", "I don't do RTS", "I don't do Sony", "I don't do JRPG". You're a casual bag of prejudices, it's not even very fun arguing with you seeing as your experience in the topic is clearly limited to your own self imposed taste. At 27, it's perhaps time to broaden your horizons. I'm not saying you should do things you don't like, of course not. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't allow prejudices to lead you, specially in regards to things you haven't even given a chance but judged either way.
I'm not being dismissive for shallow or unfounded reasons. I've tried almost every genre under the sun, and I know what I like and don't like.
Really like:
Nintendo games N64 onwards (esp. 3D Zelda, Pikmin, Smash, Paper Mario, Mario Kart)
3D adventure platformers (Banjo-Kazooie series, Rayman 2, Jet Set Radio Future, Okami)
The Elder Scrolls (Oblivion onwards)
Arcade racers (esp. the Project Gotham Racing, Need For Speed, and Burnout series)
Rally racers (Top Gear Rally, RalliSport Challenge 1 & 2, Dirt Rally)
Non-jingoistic FPSes (esp. GE/PD, Halo series by Bungie, Unreal Tournament series, Quake 1, Rainbow Six series)
PC simulation games (SimCity and Rollercoaster Tycoon series)
WA
Occasionally like:
Puzzle games (Myst, Robotron 64)
Arcade games (DDR, Crazy Taxi)
Party games (Mario Party, Fuzion Frenzy)
Stealth games (the original Splinter Cell trilogy)
Action-flying games (anything besides Pilotwings, basically)
Don't like:
2D games (WA and Pokémon being notable exceptions)
Low-fidelity 3D games
Standard fighters (Mortal Kombat/Street Fighter/Tekken)
JRPGs
RTSes
Sports simulation (arcadey stuff like Tony Hawk and 1080° is cool, though)
Racing simulation
Grand Theft Auto series (high production values, but with sex and violence just for the sake of sex and violence)
Also, my platform history:
Played heavily:
Nintendo 64
Original Xbox
Wii U (this includes original Wii games via backwards compatibility)
Played moderately:
Dreamcast
GameCube
Xbox 360
Played lightly:
PC
Sega Genesis
PlayStation 1
Game Boy/Game Boy Color/Game Boy Advance (mostly Pokémon)
Xbox One
And although I'm nowhere near a full-on gaming encyclopedia, I've actively attained PLENTY of knowledge about other games, systems, and technologies from a multitude of magazines, forums, news sites, TV shows, and online videos over the last 20 years, and tried out numerous emulators. Unless it's some random Atari game, mid-tier PS2 game, or bottom-tier handheld game, you name it, I've probably heard about it, and possibly know a few facts about it too.
Just because you're big into competitive/hardcore/mature genres doesn't give you a monopoly on gamer cred. If your response is going to contain more snotty, demeaning, and evasive remarks, here's mine - you make me sick.
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Just because you're big into competitive/hardcore/mature genres doesn't give you a monopoly on gamer cred. If your response is going to contain more snotty, demeaning, and evasive remarks, here's mine - you make me sick.
You have some goddamn nerve calling me narrow when you openly denigrate people who like stuff that you don't. The Nintendo and Sega fanbases as well as the entirety of the non-competitive gaming population would like a word with you. And some of the competitive population too:
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what? I've played all the games in your list and enjoyed most of them. I just don't make up bizarre reasons to hate on a whole brand/genre based on trivialities (more typical to football radicals or religious zealots) just because it doesn't fit my tribe - I don't have a tribe. I do understand the need of being tribal, it's anthropological and a desperate attempt at fabricating an identity when one's own is not very valuable in itself.
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Topic locked.
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Aerox I removed your previous post, it is completely irrelevant where he went to school or whatever, focus on the subject not the person please.
Edit - Sorry HHC I didn't realize you locked it as I posted while reading new posts.