[SOLVED] https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-164433/

[Masta]

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-164433/

Avi cowed in the last turn (turn starts at 29:48). Please void the game, thanks.
It's a game I feel they won, but if one minor mistake is made at the end of course the game is void, got to follow the rules.

You might be wondering why I did not open a complaint before or even point the cow out in the game, well, that's because I thought it would be a very cheap thing to do. Like I said before, I feel you guys won that game, but I suppose following the rules is more important than that.

[Hussar]

I wanted to write some things under Avirex  complain

https://www.tus-wa.com/forums/leagues-complaints/(solved)-http-www-tus-wa-com-leagues-game-165546-23685/  <-- Avirex Complain

but unfortunattelly MI closed it, ......so thx Masta for finding this game. EVEN there when we knew that he cowed we didnt wanted to make a big drama just becoz we knew that was a small mistake be coz HE HAD TIME TO TOUCH WALL




I wanted to say that am trying to look in the game in overall ......
and yes i woulda rm that roper but

it wasnt my map (dibz choose that game.... and dibz got stuck cause he choose that hide but in fact he could even get out from there alone.

i never trying to be such clear about rules, i dont see any problem if someone dont touch a wall even if he had enaugh time for doing this or so........
but its only me and i know that not everone do the same, but i thought we are friendly clans aviirex

HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE

 roper clanner vs dt in last seazon when in deep finish dibz disconected at 13.02
 2014-01-19 18.14.40 [Online] @Berria`p3, Chelsea`p3, titaa-dt, dt-dibz, `Masta`p3, NiCo`l3x, dt-ren.WAgame (114.79 kB - downloaded 48 times.)


but even if he wouldnt do it - we had clear win - becoz after 13.02 dibz had 47 hp (masta had easy crate and he killing him - theoritically)
and then ren is getting crate - he have 43 hp
and then we killing ren - and win all game

But dt asked for rm and even with the clear win i let them rm and then we lost it .......
and even there i never complain anything.


there was several situations and i never complain guys..

mby am taking all of u to much friendly and thats why i got a big shock afterall......but its ur way of thinking Avirex . thx for letting me know.

Cheers

[MonkeyIsland]

I didn't void that game because of dibz being stuck. Simply because a game ending with cow, is void. That's been with TUS since day one.
It clearly shows your sportsmanship to let go of such games.

[Hussar]

am cool with this, just woid game which Masta gave u.

[avirex]

its fair to void the game masta mentions.. i dont even remember that game, no1 said a word when i did it.. i did not notice..


a cow on last turn is a void game... thats just a rule...

same as wxw, you miss a wall, it does not matter if we are friendly clans, you take a cow...


csongi and kinslayer are 2 guys im most friendly with, but they would make me take a penalty if i missed a wall in wxw, thats just reality, has nothing to do with frienldyness...


making that game that masta showed void is fair, i made a cow, its void game... simple... lets not get all butthurt, im not trying to ruin friendships, im pointing out rules... 

the main reason i rly made a fuss about it, is because i did not like how you handled dibz getting stuck berria, ofc its his map, but do you think he knew there was a spot to get stuck in??  you could have left him cr8s, and even if not that, at least give him a chance to get a fair hide, rather then going for the killl... you did none of those things...

lets not all get angry about this, void both games, thats whats fair.. and lets move on.. we are still cool i hope..



being a good sport in un ideal situations, such as lag outs, is far different then taking penalty after obvious cows...   i know you did not mean to do that cow berria, but you did... and in a game killing moment, its a void game...


and i know you did not mean to do it, because i had a similar situation, as masta pointed out... its sometimes easy to miss the wall, when our brain is programmed to do a simple shadow.... both games should be voided, and we can still be friends ae?

[Hussar]

i was stoned .. that why i misssed it :p

anyway i just cant look on rules in all situations, that just my point of view.
sometimes a cow do not changing anything,,,,,,, its just like u leading elite from start till end and at finish unfortunatelly u kicking other worm with rope just for few pixel without any rage ......... and ur opponent is forcing u to void game.....

i wouldnt do that never i still wont make a comnplain with any other cow mistake which do not changing anything with leading during a game.

just it.

[avirex]

to be honest berria, i agree with everything you are saying...

normally, i would overlook that, because i do believe that you could have easily touched the walls, and still made the attack..

but like i said, i did not like what you did to dibz, he was stuck for 2 turns, you took his cr8s, which gave you much more health then you should have had, and when he finally did get out, he did not have a full turn to get an ideal hide, you could have at very least took a hide and skipped...

i understand he created, and hosted the map.. but im sure he did not create the map with intentions of anyone getting stuck, much less himself.... you keep throwing out examples of how fair you have been in the past, but lets face it, collecting his cr8s, and killing him when he was not in an ideal hide, due to being stuck was not a fair play thing to do.. maybe it was because you were stoned, im not sure...

but please stop saying that you have been the most fair player, and acting like dt has not ever been fair towards p3... 

you made plays in that game that i felt were unfair (but no rules against them) so when you did make a play that was against the rules, you cant really blame me for calling you on it...

lets move on from this, and continue to keep the peace. gl hf

[Crazy]

i understand he created, and hosted the map.. but im sure he did not create the map with intentions of anyone getting stuck, much less himself.... you keep throwing out examples of how fair you have been in the past, but lets face it, collecting his cr8s, and killing him when he was not in an ideal hide, due to being stuck was not a fair play thing to do.. maybe it was because you were stoned, im not sure...

I felt bad for not backing up my teammates and I hope you can forgive me dibz & wza, but I was giving my support to p3 & berria because I felt it was the right thing to do after this game. I used the same arguments as they did: it was dibz who picked the map, it was dibz who got stuck, and afterall he could get out of the spot himself. Berria is a fair guy avi, and he was actually trying to help dibz out (by attacking him, ironically), but his attempt failed. What more could he have done? Can't really blame him for collecting the one crate dibz lost, which was the last crate before sudden death. There is not a single person who would not collect that crate.. You're making what berria did sound far worse then the actual situation avi

Dibz is one of the most experienced and skilled ropers on WA today, so he of all should know about and understand the risks of chosing that hide. Dibz chose the hide because it gave him the advantage of not being killable the next turn without a knock (46 hp). He knew that he would get sort of stuck there, but that he'd probably get out by releasing the rope faced left with some angle on the rope. 99 out of 100 times it works, but this time it didn't. Tough luck, but why take it out on p3? In my opinion, dibz is the only one acting lame here, with his immidiate respons to why he wanted the game voided: "I don't lose ropers man".

It was lame of dt as a clan to make a complaint about this game, especially considering that p3 has let minor cows such as this particular one let go in the past. At the end of the day we all make mistakes, and complainting for a void was such a mistake. But why can't you accept you did a mistake and apologize avi? Instead you are still trying to make Berria look like the bad guy, when dibz is the one you should be having a talk with. All in all, Berria can blame you for opening this complaint imo, and the only way to sort this out so that p3 and dt can continue to have a nice relationship, is to apologize...

[avirex]

crazy, thats your opinion...

im not trying to make berria feel bad, what he did was fair... there is no rule against it, but its certainly not "friendly"


taking the crate is one thing, but dibz clearly did not have time to get a hide he wanted... berria could have gone to a hide, and skipped... after taking dibz cr8, he had enough health to survive 3 turns, but instead he chose to take an easy kill...the problems is, his easy kill was also a cow :X 


berria is trying to make it seem as if p3 is the only ones that have made fair, and friendly choices in the past, and this is totally lame of me to do... so maybe we both owe apologies?

tbh, i did not see dibz say "i dont lose ropers" and i did not see you side with p3... i think i watched the game pretty late, made the post, and went to bed.. i was pretty sleepy.. maybe if i was fully awake, and gave it more thought, i would have not made a complaint...


i really did not mean for this to be such a drama, i like majority of p3 members, and enjoy clanning with them... as much as i do love to start drama, there is no denying that, i had no intentions of it with p3... so, for that i am sorry!! if i could take it back now.. i would.. the win or loss truly  means nothing to me... but i seen the end of the game as kind of ruined after dibz got stuck, and the cow topped it off, i just figured void was most fair.

but... tbh i dont care, i just wanna keep the peace. <3berria

[Crazy]

I can see how it lead to the complaint yea avi, i can easily understand that, the talk im refering to was after the game. You could not have known about that.. This kind of drama is good for the league, that we bring cases like this up, instead of letting it build up over time. Then we all end up like lex p3 is a nice clan for sure with cool members

[Hussar]

thx for all words Crazy

As many players that many points of view but its normal. I dont want to add a bad tag to someone of u; no need to talk more. No one need any apologies  All such situations are teaching us so this is good in overall. ofc there is no problem behind us i just felt that i have to write some.

Am sure that we all will be enjoy together this game very long.... thats cool !

see ya on ag !

[MonkeyIsland]

Masta, normally we don't void games when they are like 20 days old. But in your case and what happened, I'm gonna make an exception.

[avirex]

seems fair to me.. good call MI


now everyone can be happy...


next time i suppose its best to over look situations like this, when you have 5+ seconds, its pretty obvious your able to touch wall...

like i said, i had my reasons for doing it, maybe it was not the best reasons, so i am sorry for that!!  but now we can all move on peacefully