A solution for PO

Random00 · February 22, 2010, 02:01 PM

First of all I also like the idea of increasing the limits. I'd prefer Chickens suggest with 50 for clans and 70 for singles.

And I also think that you should somehow see seasonal and overall ratings...
I somehow miss a table where you can see the Overall rating, but just the active players (for example players that did 1 or more games in the current season) with the seasonal stats. I mean the Overall rating is kinda more important than the seasonal rating anyway, because points are calculated just by the overall ratings :O
But I dont have any clue how you could be able to show all this information on 1 basic standings site...

Dub-c · February 23, 2010, 04:51 PM

Overall rating and overall points should have nothing to do with the current seasons being played.

Rok · February 23, 2010, 05:22 PM

Quote from: Dub-c on February 23, 2010, 04:51 PM
Overall rating and overall points should have nothing to do with the current seasons being played.

That's not gonna happen. We have a rating system, ratings are all about overall stuff. It's what they are for. Or should we just go back to -1/+2 system?

Dub-c · February 23, 2010, 05:29 PM

Quote from: Rok on February 23, 2010, 05:22 PM
Quote from: Dub-c on February 23, 2010, 04:51 PM
Overall rating and overall points should have nothing to do with the current seasons being played.

That's not gonna happen. We have a rating system, ratings are all about overall stuff. It's what they are for. Or should we just go back to -1/+2 system?

I love the rating system, but I dont think an overall rating should have such an effect on a league that it is not a ladder system. Overall points should still be shown, as people can be proud of that, but at the start of each season everyone should be on an equal playing field.

Crash · February 24, 2010, 10:47 AM

yes i agree, overall rating shouldn't take any decide if u r in po or not.. CF can do 30games 7 days before season ends and get easy into playoffs, come on. let's make it only season points,
the best 4 clans of season gets into PO

Dub-c · February 24, 2010, 11:11 AM

Quote from: Crash on February 24, 2010, 10:47 AM
yes i agree, overall rating shouldn't take any decide if u r in po or not.. CF can do 30games 7 days before season ends and get easy into playoffs, come on. let's make it only season points,
the best 4 clans of season gets into PO

Goes for singles aswell.

Rok · February 24, 2010, 01:57 PM

We've already had long discussions about this. The reason we put top 4 overall players in PO is because they eventually come to a point where's very had for them to quaulify thru season points (now when season points are calculated from overall rating, of course). You for example, Dub-c, are at 3000 rating now, it'll be harder and harder for you to find opponents you could get good points from. Now if we remove overall ratings from the calculation, we degrade it to a cosmetic number used for showing off. We had it like that when TUS was new, then changed it coz it didn't work very well, why change it back now? The I only thing I can agree with is raising the games limit, and even that won't prevent someone playing last few needed in the last hour of the season. The system won't ever be perfect for everybody and in every possible situation, there'll be always a way to exploit it somehow. I guess we should all live with it.

MonkeyIsland · February 24, 2010, 02:08 PM

Increasing the number maybe will help. But still it is possible to be in PO in the last days. I remember Unique played about 70 TUS games in 3-4 days. Not for PO though, just addiction.

beer · February 24, 2010, 02:12 PM

i remember pr played 50 TUS games in 2-3 days for PO though! fuk that smart stalin

Uber · February 24, 2010, 03:14 PM

Not smart 2 remove overall from PO qualification. Then u will se some serious noob-bashing, cause every player start season with 1k in points. The strenght difference between players and points will be completely removed and u will gain alot from playing weaker players, especially at the start of season..

Edit: and if u still want the overall points 2 count for the points a player gets from a win, players like Random00 will have NO CHANCE at reaching the playoffs at all..

MonkeyIsland · February 24, 2010, 03:17 PM

Exactly Uber. But that's not a theory. This happened in TUS in the seasons 2-5. since points gets reset every season, good players won't bother looking for a good match cause ANYONE will give them enough points that they want.

Random00 · February 24, 2010, 03:18 PM

Quote from: Dub-c on February 24, 2010, 11:11 AM
Quote from: Crash on February 24, 2010, 10:47 AM
yes i agree, overall rating shouldn't take any decide if u r in po or not.. CF can do 30games 7 days before season ends and get easy into playoffs, come on. let's make it only season points,
the best 4 clans of season gets into PO

Goes for singles aswell.

Ok, I would have no chance to qualify for playoffs then. Even if I can do something like 100-15.
Last season I had 79-20 and just finished 9th place, this season I will get less points then the previous one probably, so removing overall rating from po qualification is a really good idea, not. -.-

beer · February 24, 2010, 03:21 PM

i guess MI started this thread not cose of playoff system (calculation) but cose to improve the end of the season, that we have seen unfair things.
evrything can be improved, thats truth, but for now calculation is fine, maybe overall should be showed relevance, i bet 95% of TUSers do not know about that..

so lets talk about this and not about calcutation of point and season+overall, not in this thread i guess..

looks like evryone is for increase games.. any more ideas ae? i'had some but looks like they are bad, anyway i tried

edit, well, I do not know nothing ;s

MonkeyIsland · February 24, 2010, 03:22 PM

Random00 they meant, the system calculate your seasonal points when reporting, not overall. (along with removing overall from PO)

Chicken23 · February 24, 2010, 06:44 PM

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 24, 2010, 03:22 PM
Random00 they meant, the system calculate your seasonal points when reporting, not overall. (along with removing overall from PO)

which we already know is very bad.

I say increasing them game limits is fine. 70 and 50.

If someone gets 70 games in a 45 day season even if they did play in the last week of 10 games a day i still think that active enough. They're still taken part in the season and 70 games for a player with a higher overall rating is a risk for them as they may drop alot of points trying to get those 70 games done. Encouraging the higher ranked players to get more games done to make playoffs is good for the league as it makes it possible for lower ranked players to take some points of the top players (if they win of course)

I think with 70 and 50 we'll have a much nicer section of playoff players.

Now if you want a different suggestion. Take 16 players to the playoffs. 10 of them with top overall, 6 of them with top seasonal. This is slightly different to fb. They had 12 overall and 4 seasonal. The seasonal points was just called something different. Like handicap or something. There standings were always viewed on default of overall points because it being a ladder, the seasonal points was the amount of points a player gained which was the handicap thingy. Its the same as here. A lower ranked new player could gain more points than a higher overall and the top 4 players who gained the most points also made the playoffs.