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All About TUS => TUS Discussion => Topic started by: Immortal on August 22, 2011, 03:08 PM
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Hi :D
For those who want to be sure they don't play with a cheater using AHK, I made a Project X script. It writes a .txt file on W:A directory called anticheatlog.txt, full of :
The Worm General Wisetried cheated @ frame 912
The Worm General Wisetried cheated @ frame 913
The Worm General Wisetried cheated @ frame 914
The Worm General Wisetried cheated @ frame 915
You can be 90% sure the player cheats if you see that. 10% because sometimes the players can be really fast with fr. But using AHK 1sec would show ~20 lines of this, so there's no doubt.
Add this library to any .pxs scheme (Libraries window when you use the PXSchemeEditor). To check replays using it, you have to directly change the .WAGame file and it's not the best way. I'm trying to find another way to do it.
I'll check sm0k games and other suspected replays, I'm so curious :P
Edit : forgot to say thanks to zed for his help on testing, and scriptin' too, sorry zed :D)
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nice !
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i dont know that px stuff well just played some games.. but its possible to check replays? not just that games that are playing right now. would be cool
gj greetz
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i dont know that px stuff well just played some games.. but its possible to check replays? not just that games that are playing right now. would be cool
gj greetz
To check replays using it, you have to directly change the .WAGame file and it's not the best way. I'm trying to find another way to do it.
And thanks.
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yeah, check some of the accused, and let us know what your results are..
good work either way
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theres any chance to it acuse someone is cheating when the person isnot, just cos fast taps?
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It's easy to do difference between fast taps and cheats on the logs, very easy. I will check replays of accused peoples and give you results tomorrow.
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I said this before and I'll say it again... You can't be sure that someone cheats just because he presses space in 2 consecutive frames. I know several players who can do that legit, yet your script/module/whatever would render them as cheaters.
It's a nice effort really but the method is flawed, we need to think of a different way.
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I said this before and I'll say it again... You can't be sure that someone cheats just because he presses space in 2 consecutive frames. I know several players who can do that legit, yet your script/module/whatever would render them as cheaters.
It's a nice effort really but the method is flawed, we need to think of a different way.
Needs to test with one of these players D:
I tried with fr and used 2 spaces as fast as I can. It renders me as a cheater very rarely.
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Very rarely? Did you use 2 fingers before?
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Very rarely? Did you use 2 fingers before?
Yes, but not that much.
Any fr pro to test with meh?
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i dont think that anyone could do those "perfect" taps for like every tap
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Darkz, if I did not know you I would say you were cheater! :D
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i tried it 3 times , first time with space bar , got nothing on the .txt , empty
second and third time i tried with keychanger , and ... got nothing on the text log :uu
i tried my fastest taps ( im not at my best with rope... but well..) and got an empty .txt
i would like to try with ahk , but i dont have it and dunno where to download it
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You guys seem to be forgetting that the AHK script is not a tapping script. It's changing the mechanics, which doesn't guarantee super fast taps..
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Please analyze this replay:
https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/download/game-70687-1/
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Darkz is right, with script it's possible to get faster taps, but you must be able to play finger roll properly anyway (if we are talking about roping, who cares about mad pressing spaces)
I am really not in the topic about the informatics stuffs, and don't really know how it works, but if it only checks how fast are your taps, it's too weak xd
but I can be your tester if you want, just find me on AG, and btw, do I need have PX on? I have never used it yet.
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Now tell us your awesome fr story.
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n1 Sniper, you nailed it ;D
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Now tell us your awesome fr story.
still always better to talk about FR, than about cheating, your only story about worms
I checked it with Immortal, I guess he will post results here
edit: and btw, I noticed that with PX worms works much faster, for example minimizing, even if I don't use it ("OFF"), but game lags a bit ;/
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wait a minute... maciej uses finger roll? i never knew that!! lol
and, i would have to admit darkz taps in one section were mimicked exact each time in that replay.. i would love to think darks does not cheat.. but being as close with anubis as he is, i would say its more then possible.
specially seeing as he is trying to defend this new prog to catch the cheaters...
i think this prog is great, and maybe its not a 100% piece of evidence, but its a good damn start....
im waiting for immortals post after he analyze some pplz
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sry but i dont get what this programm makes, can somebody pls explain it to me?
offtopic:
(http://images4.cpcache.com/product_zoom/328689784v0_480x480_Front_Color-White_padToSquare-true.jpg)
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avi don't get me wrong, I'm defending my own cause here because I don't use any tools besides Keychange and don't wanna be labeled a cheater just because I can tap fast. That's all. :P
Edit: I think if this program got accepted by the community it would do some good and more bad changes. Since it's inaccurate it could start a witch hunt.. You get what I mean right?
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avi don't get me wrong, I'm defending my own cause here because I don't use any tools besides Keychange and don't wanna be labeled a cheater just because I can tap fast. That's all. :P
Edit: I think if this program got accepted by the community it would do some good and more bad changes. Since it's inaccurate it could start a witch hunt.. You get what I mean right?
Or everyone could just stop fr.
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K, I'm done testing:
This program can give false positives but when they happen they are obvious, because they happen very rarely, I only got a few and it was only on shadows, not scrolls, they're very hard to achieve and you need a lucky dual tap (when space hits the switch twice in one down), I've seen people incorporate the lucky dual tap into their roping but then again it only happened at most once or twice in a warmer turn, and I'm speaking about two or three people anyway.
So conclusion: this does help detect cheaters.
edit: dubc is right, FR as a gimmick is fine, but my god, some of you talk about it as if learning to FR was some sort of achievement...
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thats my thing too ropa, im sure some ppl tap quick enough that the prog (i have not tried it, or even px) would detect a cheat, but as you said.. its so rare that we have nothing to worry about there... if someone does 1 tap out of say 3 ttrr games of his that sets off a cheat, its probably safe to assume he just has fats taps, and one set off the 'cheat detector'
but if you get a guy that every shadow, or swing, tap whatever its setting off detections it may be a problem...
do you have something you would like to tell the community darkz? :p haha jk..
but we will find out soon enough
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You guys seem to be forgetting that the AHK script is not a tapping script. It's changing the mechanics, which doesn't guarantee super fast taps..
::)
Edit: I'm not even going to answer on that post Dub.
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You guys seem to be forgetting that the AHK script is not a tapping script. It's changing the mechanics, which doesn't guarantee super fast taps..
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But it allows for no mistake FR, which basically any kid with a minimun of 2 fingers can achieve maximun tap speed in 5 minutes.
(correct me if you think I'm wrong)
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its seems like you have something to hide tbh
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avi I'm not Komo, you're not going to see me get mad here so you may as well cut the trolling.
I just warmed for 15 minutes, not saying I'm in a good shape but this is about as fast as I could get.. Analyze this one please.
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im hardly trying to get you mad...
but the way you are saying its not good proof seems suspicious, im obviously not the only one to think that...
the point is, if your old replays detect cheating... and your little warmer replay here you have does not.. your a cheater...
if you none of your replays detect cheating, and you know they wont.. then you have nothing to worry about, so stop acting suspect
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How about you stop accusing me out of the blue then? Do we have a deal?
The only thing I said is that this whatever-it-is isn't 100% accurate and may mislead people to think someone is a cheater when he isn't.
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With the help of Entuser I will analyze all the replays you posted here and post result as soon as I finish them.
Actually, I'm doing some experiments with Keycodes and see if they'll work though I'm sure for 80% they won't. If it doesn't work, I'll think about improving it to get more chances for a good log.
I tested with Maciej. I didn't use fr kc or AHK, the anticheat didn't report anything for me.
For Maciej it worked, 90% of the report was true. Other ones were with a really fast KC tapping.
@DarkZ : I said 1000 times it's easy to do difference between a log of cheater and a log of FR user.
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I made a Project X script
We've made.
Just correcting :D
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@DarkZ : I said 1000 times it's easy to do difference between a log of cheater and a log of FR user.
You guys go on your witch hunt without me.
I'd also like it if you checked a replay of Mablak, just for the sake of it.
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I made a Project X script
We've made.
Just correcting :D
Edit : forgot to say thanks to zed for his help on testing, and scriptin' too, sorry zed :D)
:P
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sry but wtf is going here. some of you keep saying its useful to caught someone. all we know is that we got false alarm, 10 % is a very high number. imo it just changes nothing, its like before.
your programm only counts the taps someone is making (rene told me that, correct me if its wrong) we all know its possible to tap f@#!in fast. anyway i think this programm will create alot of porblems and false alarms.
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sry but wtf is going here. some of you keep saying its useful to caught someone. all we know is that we got false alarm, 10 % is a very high number. imo it just changes nothing, its like before.
your programm only counts the taps someone is making (rene told me that, correct me if its wrong) we all know its possible to tap f@#!in fast. anyway i think this programm will create alot of porblems and false alarms.
10% is nothing considering the amount of replays we have for each player
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your programm only counts the taps someone is making (rene told me that, correct me if its wrong)
It checks speed of taps.
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It checks speed of taps.
I think you mean something else. Something like "it checks the time space needs to be released before it can be activated again". Because checking the speed wouldn't make any sense at all.
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I just want to add a tip for the logic:
(If the player cheats => the PX script will detect him)
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(If the PX detects some cheating => The player is cheating)
I'm not saying how the Immortal's script works, just I'm adding something for to be considered.
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It checks speed of taps.
I think you mean something else. Something like "it checks the time space needs to be released before it can be activated again". Because checking the speed wouldn't make any sense at all.
Well, the maximum taps speed is 2 spaces pressed in 2 frames. This happens very rarely on FR but it ALWAYS happens on the famous AHK script. This anticheats writes on a .txt when this happens with the exact frame where it happened.
Just check the script if you're a C++ coder.
I just want to add a tip for the logic:
(If the player cheats => the PX script will detect him)
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(If the PX detects some cheating => The player is cheating)
I'm not saying how the Immortal's script works, just I'm adding something for to be considered.
<3
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It checks speed of taps.
I think you mean something else. Something like "it checks the time space needs to be released before it can be activated again". Because checking the speed wouldn't make any sense at all.
Well, the maximum taps speed is 2 spaces pressed in 2 frames. This happens very rarely on FR but it ALWAYS happens on the famous AHK script. This anticheats writes on a .txt when this happens with the exact frame where it happened.
I see, sounds reasonable to me. :)
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If it really works, then you have done a great job. :)
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What about people who are not using ahk to tap super fast and only to rope normally? Will it catch that?
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What about people who are not using ahk to tap super fast and only to rope normally? Will it catch that?
nope
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You should try it on this kinda famous replay. :D
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What about people who are not using ahk to tap super fast and only to rope normally? Will it catch that?
imo: Well, the maximum taps speed is 2 spaces pressed in 2 frames.
so i guess if there are lower frams = ahk or smthng else
well idk about that thing xD
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so, immortal.. i thought you were going to post your results of all the suspicious replays? :X
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so, immortal.. i thought you were going to post your results of all the suspicious replays? :X
Complicated D:
It worked for me with PX replays by editing directly the replay with notepad, and it requires searching.
For w:a replays, I thought it would work, but it doesn't, I'm looking for a way with entuser.. :(
There must be something I can do for it.
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i hope so, good luck.
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We're posting this 1h warmer which we just had hoping you can tell us which one of us cheated, Immortal. Enjoy. :)
Edit: We played it using PX so you can actually analyze it.
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This seems like its going to make a lot of people nervous. Looking forward to the results.
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it seems like it already made some nervous
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Use your sheer logic avi: What does AHK do? What does this PX script do? Will the PX script help catch AHK script users?
We're only trying to show you guys that it's not going to help at all, which, if you used your brain, is obvious enough without us showing it.
I don't need to justify my posts here, you keep thinking this script is going to bring salvation to the world of worms. :D
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darkz, your either a cheater, or covering up for your cheater friends, because ever since this thread came out you have been nothing but suspect....
you get so defensive you might as well be guilty.
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I'm done here. It seems like you're just not smart enough to see facts when they jump you into your face. :D
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i feel your the one not smart enough to see the facts.... having AHK active while playing worms is not cheating....
i dont finer roll, i can have AHK on from now until i quit worms, i will never be bypassing the space bar timing...
but those who finger roll, and use AHK to bypass the f@#!ing games space bar timing is cheating... what dont u get?
seems you have something to hide darkz, i really hope im wrong... but the way your acting is totally suspect.
and im glad your done here, just let time tell the truth. good luck
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I just had a chat with avi and realized that he doesn't know what he's talking about. On top of that he went offline in the middle of our discussion which makes him a legitimate suspect of being a pussy. IMO of course.
Anyway I think lots of you don't get my point, like avi. So I'm using my awesome paint skills as a last resort to try and show you what I mean.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2wnn5vo.png)
This piece of art speaks for itself I guess. It's what AHK does to your space delay, immediately set it to 0 every time you press space. If you still don't understand then I really can't help you.
The most important question now is. Do you realize that the process of holding down one space and pressing the other space is very likely to happen in a larger time frame than 0.02 seconds?
What makes you think it's all happening in two frames?
And once you come to realize that I'm right, how does this PX script help detecting AHK script users?
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but those who finger roll, and use AHK to bypass the f@#!ing games space bar timing is cheating... what dont u get?
How is using FR cheating? I don't see how using your own body for a physical game (TTRR) is cheating... Heck I could rope with my toes if I want and it wouldn't be cheating, it'd be stupid lol, but not cheating...
AHK, totally with you there...
Rene, LOL !!! Nice paintpro xD
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yes, the tool doesn't detect those who use AHK and can't tap fast enough.
I think that much was obvious
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Cheers, that's step 1 of my argumentation.
Step 2 needs Immortal to analyze the replay Kai and I posted.
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We're posting this 1h warmer which we just had hoping you can tell us which one of us cheated, Immortal. Enjoy. :)
Edit: We played it using PX so you can actually analyze it.
1 hour of warmer :o
Are you sure you played a PX game ? Because I can't find any script.
If host disabled PX, (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5411/270421-blank_picard_facepalm_small.jpg)
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I was the host, I started the game using the PX launcher, the "LAUNCH WORMKIT" button. Is there anything else I need to do? The game even said "using PX" or some shit in the lobby when we clicked the bulbs lol.
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You probably used "OFF" scheme. If you used a PX scheme PX should show messages even before pressing the bulbs.
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So if I don't use a PX scheme it doesn't record the replay in PX format even though I launched the game with the PX launcher? That's some strange logic.. Okay, so the replay can't be analyzed now?
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So if I don't use a PX scheme it doesn't record the replay in PX format even though I launched the game with the PX launcher? That's some strange logic.. Okay, so the replay can't be analyzed now?
If you don't use a PX scheme even players without PX can join you and play without desync. No I can't.
Play a real PX game and edit your replay with any text editor : you'll see why I can only check PX games D:
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Kai when you read this contact me on MSN if you can be arsed to play another warmer. :P
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Kai when you read this contact me on MSN if you can be arsed to play another warmer. :P
Only 10min would be enough :P
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avi.
With AHK - You can press 2 spaces at the SAME TIME, you can have one already pressed and held down, AND then WHILE holding one, press another, and it will fire another rope, even though it's already in use.
Without AHK - You cannot press 2 spaces at the SAME TIME, if you have pressed and are holding one space down, you cannot fire another space UNTIL that one is released.
Immortals script does not detect the use of AHK, it detects people who tap fast, not people who use AHK.
Is basically what darKz is saying to you, but you are being EXTREMELY ignorant and arrogant and not even paying attention.
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avi.
With AHK - You can press 2 spaces at the SAME TIME, you can have one already pressed and held down, AND then WHILE holding one, press another, and it will fire another rope, even though it's already in use.
Without AHK - You cannot press 2 spaces at the SAME TIME, if you have pressed and are holding one space down, you cannot fire another space UNTIL that one is released.
Immortals script does not detect the use of AHK, it detects people who tap fast, not people who use AHK.
Is basically what darKz is saying to you, but you are being EXTREMELY ignorant and arrogant and not even paying attention.
This is correct, this device has nothing to do with detecting AHK >_>
I have to say, this is a pretty mediocre idea. It can catch some cheaters, but only the most obvious of obvious ones. You can easily make 2-tap macros that have 2 or 3 frames of delay, which make you look more like a genuine finger roller anyway.
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So if I don't use a PX scheme it doesn't record the replay in PX format even though I launched the game with the PX launcher? That's some strange logic.. Okay, so the replay can't be analyzed now?
If you don't use a PX scheme even players without PX can join you and play without desync. No I can't.
Play a real PX game and edit your replay with any text editor : you'll see why I can only check PX games D:
I used PX RR scheme and roped a few seconds, went to games folder and opened the replay with editor but it didn't say anything, just random ascii like stuff, and it looks just exactly the same like any replay without PX scheme.
Ideas?
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Use PX RR with a PX RR map, NormalFow or Capture The Flag.
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komo, when did i say finger rolling is cheating? i said finger rolling with AHK is cheating...
and WHY are you typing with all SORTS of caps, it seems like YOU are really trying to get YOUR POINT across, about something that i ALREADY f@#!ING know.
im not sure why darkz thinks i dont realize what AHK does, and even after his silly paint job to illustrate it, u seem its necessary to further explain it...
im not saying this program is going to detect all cheaters, but as mablak said it will detect the obvious ones...
i even said the exact same thing in MSN to darkz, but he kept saying i dont understand, and im ignorant, dumb, etc... thats why i signed off... and also because i was drunk... and i like darkz, and did not wanna say anymore then i already have, cuz i can be a drunk prick... so, call me a pussy all you want darkz.
so basically, im not sure what darkz point is... sure, some people can use AHK and not be detected, as i said... i can turn on AHK right now and play the rest of my worms career with it, not only will it never be detected, but i will never be cheating, because i dont finger roll...
so if darkz big debate he is that its not going to detect everyone that uses it, then as ropa said.. it hought that was pretty f@#!ing obvious...... but ok, excellent point darkz!
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(http://47.imagebam.com/download/xp11tw2nukPWwSJ1J6fD-A/14651/146505312/mk2_ps3_soon-TUS.JPG)
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lol @ playing the smart boy now.
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whos playing anything??? i thought this was all pretty obvious...
your the only one making this into something that its not...
your first argument was that its not accurate enough to accuse people, then you changed your argument to it wont catch everyone, only some.....
so im confused what the f@#! your point it, all i know for sure is your acting suspicious and it bothers you when i bring that up...
lets just wait for immortals results...
btw: if you want, ill post the MSN log darkz.
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What is everyones problem? It won't catch every cheater but even if it catches one cheater then I think it is a huge success. Thanks for your time working on something like this Immortal.
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lets just wait for immortals results...
btw: if you want, ill post the MSN log darkz.
please don't, we hav better things to do than read ur msn conversations xD
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Let's just wait for DarkZ posting a real PX warmer game. I don't think he will..
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like what husk? changing your name to herpes :X
and yes dub, exactly... if the prog can take one criminal off the streets, then its well worth it, imo..
sure it cant catch everyone, and sure there are other ways to cheat then just AHK... but f@#! it, maybe it can detect some cheaters and that will be a +
and for the record, i do not think darkz cheats.
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The most important question now is. Do you realize that the process of holding down one space and pressing the other space is very likely to happen in a larger time frame than 0.02 seconds?
What makes you think it's all happening in two frames?
And once you come to realize that I'm right, how does this PX script help detecting AHK script users?
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im with avi and dubc. it seems WN now is infested with roping progs. time to bring the wrongdoers to justice.
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darks.... what dont you get? everyone agrees that its not going to catch every single AHK user.... what dont u get about that? seriously?... your being like komo, wont stop until people admit your right.... llol
here darkz, your right...
but lets say it only catches 1 AHK user out of 100.... will that be a bad thing?
peja, lets direct connect elite.. i hsoted already join me 72.209.46.150
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but lets say it only catches 1 AHK user out of 100.... will that be a bad thing?
always better than nothing, anyway it's always some kind of fear for cheaters
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So you agree that the anticheat script cannot, by any means, tell if someone is using the AHK script, yet you still think it can expose someone. Makes sense..
What it does expose is fast tapping. What AHK does is not grant fast taps.
Now go ahead and say I'm pointing out the obvious again.. I still think you didn't understand completely, otherwise you would agree.
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ok, i guess ropa and everyone else can not understand either...
ok, darkz, your right.. everyone else is wrong, this script will never work..........
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On top of that he went offline in the middle of our discussion which makes him a legitimate suspect of being a pussy. IMO of course.
hahahahahahaha, that made me laugh so hard... we all know avi is a pussy bitch, anyway...
I feel like I missed something.. did something happen to trigger all this suspicion? I've never heard of this Px or AHK thing... I'm so lost... All i know is I keep thinking of the p90x workout system whenever i see PX
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komo, when did i say finger rolling is cheating? i said finger rolling with AHK is cheating...
but those who finger roll, and use AHK to bypass the f@#!ing games space bar timing is cheating... what dont u get?
There shouldn't be a comma after "finger roll" because by using this you seperate FR and AHK, do you know what I mean? If you meant both at same time, then you shouldn't use a comma.
and WHY are you typing with all SORTS of caps, it seems like YOU are really trying to get YOUR POINT across, about something that i ALREADY f@#!ING know.
When I use caps like that it's for emphasis on specific words, it's like the tone in someones voice, do you understand what I mean? And if it was something you already knew then you wouldn't be having this discussion with Rene.
i even said the exact same thing in MSN to darkz, but he kept saying i dont understand, and im ignorant, dumb, etc... thats why i signed off... and also because i was drunk... and i like darkz, and did not wanna say anymore then i already have, cuz i can be a drunk prick... so, call me a pussy all you want darkz.
I've read the log, and the things you typed show you are misunderstood some of the things he said, you said you were drunk, no one is perfect, so what?
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I didnt read all the msgs, just some, about how ahk workz.
Its possible to manually set is space released or not. For example, script that will catch space pressing, and set that space releasing time to 0.5 seconds (i dont rly know what time is better). If space released too early it will manually set it back for remaining time.
Also possible to catch too early space releasing, and log the cheater or watever
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i have already agreed that i dont understand... its obvious me, maciej, ropa, dub-c, immortal, husk, thewalrus, and anyone else who posted in this thread do not understand.
its also obvious darkz and komo are the only ones that understand AHK bypasses w:a's default space timing. that intelligent paint skills picture shined a bright light on the subject, where would any of us have been without that.
the script will NEVER (komo's emphasis) catch ANY cheaters.
and darkz DOES NOT seem like he is either covering up for himself, or for others.
komo, thanks for telling me what a f@#!ing comma is you NERD.
there, now i have agreed with everything you 2 freaks have had to say, now can i just say...
lets wait until Immortal and his coding friends uncover a way to check old replays... (then maybe we will see who darkz is covering up for) :D
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Mablak also qualified the idea as mediocre, he did so in one of the few posts he chooses to share with us.
Well, I wonder if we'll live to see someone complaining about this tool, but someone whose never been acussed of cheating. So far, we ain't go that person in this thread, we can only wait.
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I wasn't accused of cheating ropa lol, neither was Mablak...
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I was accused of cheating by avirex, which doesn't count because I learned that I can't take him seriously even on a serious matter like in this very thread. :)
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i never accused you, i said your acting suspicious.... your accusing yourself, and all though i was hesitant to believe your were a cheater, you have more then convinced me now.
please take me serious in this moment, and then never again... i truly do believe you have something to hide, and more then likely have cheated in league in more then one occasion.
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Eat this then you bad mannered mofo, I never cheated in leagues, not once in my life. So stop bringing me in connection with cheating without any proof at hand, it's f@#!ing rude and damages my reputation as an honest and fair player which I worked hard for over all those years for no f@#!ing reason.
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you have convinced me. case closed
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avi don't get me wrong, I'm defending my own cause here because I don't use any tools besides Keychange and don't wanna be labeled a cheater just because I can tap fast. That's all. :P
this was the funniest quote by you, and then you followed it up with some crappy warmer with shitty taps.. lol
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Did you watch the 2nd replay I posted? Guess not.
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i think thats my point, you have been nothing but defensive since the start of this thread.... posting pics, replays, replies, and whatever the f@#! else.. lol
did you expect making a replay with the most notorious cheater on worms was going to prove that you are not a cheater, and this script is not worthy of catching one?
but ok, im done with this thread..
i think your a cheater, and you want to continue defending yourself, and knocking a script that will catch cheaters... cool..
im not going to respond to this thread anymore.
edit: let me just say darkz, im not the only one that thinks ur behavior towards all this is extremely bizarre, i guess im just the only one who is a 'rude mannered mofo' to speak up about it
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I posted all that shit here to prove that the script Immortal wrote will not catch cheaters, it's plain wrong to think it will. I can't stand the fact that you guys are all like "WOOO YEAH THIS WILL BRING DOWN CHEATERS!" when most of the guys who said that don't understand what both of these scripts actually do. That's way different than "being defensive" imo.
If I were a cheater wouldn't it be better to just shut up, wait and see? But I'm not going to do that, guess why.
I'd happily see myself proven wrong about all this, it's just not going to happen with that script as it is.
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did you expect making a replay with the most notorious cheater on worms was going to prove that you are not a cheater, and this script is not worthy of catching one?
gospel
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I start thinking that you avirex really don't care about it all, just want to get high number of posts, lol.
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I start thinking that you avirex really don't care about it all, just want to get high number of posts, lol.
I start thinking that you kaleu aka sniper really don't care about it all, just want to get high number of posts, lol.
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I start thinking that you avirex really don't care about it all, just want to get high number of posts, lol.
I start thinking that you kaleu aka sniper really don't care about it all, just want to get high number of posts, lol.
I start thinking that-- nvm
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Eat this then you bad mannered mofo, I never cheated in leagues, not once in my life. So stop bringing me in connection with cheating without any proof at hand, it's f@#!ing rude and damages my reputation as an honest and fair player which I worked hard for over all those years for no f@#!ing reason.
u shouldnt worry about that , the ppl who knows u just a little know who u rly are , so u shouldnt give a f@#! about what ppl like avirex say , the most of us know that u arent a cheater , and so do tus's mods.
if this program can help to catch some cheaters , welcome to worms then
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darkz wont be in CF if he's cheating in the past. Thats all I say.
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did you expect making a replay with the most notorious cheater on worms was going to prove that you are not a cheater, and this script is not worthy of catching one?
Wow well said.
I don't know why Darkz tries so hard to exempt *someone* from cheating or why he is so against this script but accusing Darkz of cheating is ridiculous imo, hes one of the most fair and respectable people on this game.
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i dont want to think darkz cheats either.... his behavior towards a prog that may catch some cheaters is crazy though, thats all im saying...
its pushed me into thinking has seriously has something to hide...
i could be wrong, and i really do hope i am... but the fact that he gets so defensive not only makes me think otherwise, but he made others hink it as well....
if someone called me a cheater, i would call them an idiot and go about my buisness, because i know its not true, and pretty silly..
darkz posts pics, replays, more replays, tried to direct the attention on others he may suspect of cheating, and went to any other extreme to say that even if that prog detects cheaters, it not enough and he does not want to be labeled a cheater by a silly prog, because he taps fast..... all that seems overly suspicious sorry to say.
its just odd, and i do hope im wrong.
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I assume that darkz and komo have or have had the program, why not share it with those people trying to come up with a way to stop people from using it to cheat in hopes they can figure out an actual tool that doesn't fail?
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http://www.muguard.org/
Detects AHK and disables it. If you want cheat-free TUS games just add this.
Source: http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic73897.html
Quite ironic the "most known cheater lol" knows how to solve this. Have fun.
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I like where the thread I created is going :D
I finally understood pretty well AHK logic (thanks to MI / DarkZ explainations) and did some experiments.
It can work in 2 ways :
-When you press space, AHK automatically resets space to 0, so you can press other spaces
-When pressing space AHK resets all other spaces
It's easy to detect the first way, and Zed has ideas for the second
Correct me if I said something wrong. I'm not really sure, but I can try
I also made some kind of anticows for WFW and shopper (all except KTL and I have no idea of what I can do for it), PM me if you want 'em.. no need to create another 10 pages thread because it goes crazy.
@DeathInFire : you posted this message right before I posted mine. This sounds interesting, did you try it?
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No I don't have any MuGuard protected games. I found all this by using google a few minutes ago. I am sure this can help you out if you contact the developer how you can add this into W:A I am sure they can help and I am sure it can be coded into W:A directly with Cybershadow, like I said just contact them.
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http://www.muguard.org/
Detects AHK and disables it. If you want cheat-free TUS games just add this.
Source: http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic73897.html
Quite ironic the "most known cheater lol" knows how to solve this. Have fun.
how in the world is it ironic? :D
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I don't know wouldn't it be in my interest to have AHK undetectable? I mean I am a cheater in your eyes! But I am sure you have more stories available to share with me.
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@Anubis
AHK itself is not a cheating program. I use it as a keychanger, it's much handier than keychangers who change registry.
And good luck convincing the developers of proprietary software to allow 'coding it in WA'.
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@Anubis
AHK itself is not a cheating program. I use it as a keychanger, it's much handier than keychangers who change registry.
And good luck convincing the developers of proprietary software to allow 'coding it in WA'.
I know that Rok, but MuGuard seems to not even allow AHK in any form. It gets blocked even if there is no code within the script running. And noone @ AHK Forum knows a solution to that, only if you can compile AHK to vb6 it seems. But noone has succeeded with it it seems. Umm you can pay the company to get the Anti-Cheat. Of course they won't do it for free. It's up to the big players/coders at W:A now. There is a free version I think?
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I assume that darkz and komo have or have had the program, why not share it with those people trying to come up with a way to stop people from using it to cheat in hopes they can figure out an actual tool that doesn't fail?
I do have the script in question, I don't want to post it in a public area though. I think Immortal also has it. If he doesn't, he knows how to contact me.
And avi, we're going in circles aren't we? I've been trying to contribute to this, explaining why it doesn't work. You have been calling me suspicious and haven't contributed anything. Why don't you just get the f@#! off of this thread.
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@Anubis
AHK itself is not a cheating program. I use it as a keychanger, it's much handier than keychangers who change registry.
And good luck convincing the developers of proprietary software to allow 'coding it in WA'.
I know that Rok, but MuGuard seems to not even allow AHK in any form. It gets blocked even if there is no code within the script running. And noone @ AHK Forum knows a solution to that, only if you can compile AHK to vb6 it seems. But noone has succeeded with it it seems. Umm you can pay the company to get the Anti-Cheat. Of course they won't do it for free. It's up to the big players/coders at W:A now. There is a free version I think?
That's exactly what I'm saying, I wouldn't want my AHK to be blocked. Several people are using it for a legit purpose.
I just quickly skimmed through MuGuard page and it looks like it's a server app, not something you build in in another program. I could be wrong though.
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@Anubis
AHK itself is not a cheating program. I use it as a keychanger, it's much handier than keychangers who change registry.
And good luck convincing the developers of proprietary software to allow 'coding it in WA'.
I know that Rok, but MuGuard seems to not even allow AHK in any form. It gets blocked even if there is no code within the script running. And noone @ AHK Forum knows a solution to that, only if you can compile AHK to vb6 it seems. But noone has succeeded with it it seems. Umm you can pay the company to get the Anti-Cheat. Of course they won't do it for free. It's up to the big players/coders at W:A now. There is a free version I think?
That's exactly what I'm saying, I wouldn't want my AHK to be blocked. Several people are using in for a legit purpose.
I just quickly skimmed through MuGuard page and it looks like it's a server app, not something you build in another program. I could be wrong though.
I think our best bet is to actively ask them what they could do to help us, explain the situation that we have problems with AHK. And well, about the legit purpose of AHK, if it comes down to AHK for legit purpose or not. I would certainly just say f@#! AHK and get rid of it completely? :p It's not like you get accused of cheating, it will simply just block it in W:A.
Is anyone going to do that? I could do that but maybe someone with more English skills would be better for it, or even better a coder 'cause my knowledge is very limited.
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What is a legit purpose for AHK? I don't get it.
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@Anubis
AHK itself is not a cheating program. I use it as a keychanger, it's much handier than keychangers who change registry.
And good luck convincing the developers of proprietary software to allow 'coding it in WA'.
I know that Rok, but MuGuard seems to not even allow AHK in any form. It gets blocked even if there is no code within the script running. And noone @ AHK Forum knows a solution to that, only if you can compile AHK to vb6 it seems. But noone has succeeded with it it seems. Umm you can pay the company to get the Anti-Cheat. Of course they won't do it for free. It's up to the big players/coders at W:A now. There is a free version I think?
That's exactly what I'm saying, I wouldn't want my AHK to be blocked. Several people are using in for a legit purpose.
I just quickly skimmed through MuGuard page and it looks like it's a server app, not something you build in another program. I could be wrong though.
I think our best bet is to actively ask them what they could do to help us, explain the situation that we have problems with AHK. And well, about the legit purpose of AHK, if it comes down to AHK for legit purpose or not. I would certainly just say f@#! AHK and get rid of it completely? :p It's not like you get accused of cheating, it will simply just block it in W:A.
We don't have problems with AHK. We have problems with a SCRIPT (that happens to be written in AHK).
What is a legit purpose for AHK? I don't get it.
Remapping windows key to spacebar?
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What is a legit purpose for AHK? I don't get it.
You can use it to remapp your keys on the fly without altering your registry and thus don't need to log out and in your Windows session or reboot. You can open W:A with it that it will only activate the remapping when you open W:A etc. Quite a lot but like I said the benefits don't justify to keep it in W:A imo.
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Remapping windows key to spacebar?
How is that legit? Use the damn spacebar!
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Quite a lot but like I said the benefits don't justify to keep it in W:A imo.
Well, I disagree with that. But we can stop de-railing this thread because things like Muguard are unlikely to ever happen in WA.
Remapping windows key to spacebar?
How is that legit? Use the damn spacebar!
I'm on a laptop and the spacebar is keylocked. Are you trolling me or what? :o
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Quite a lot but like I said the benefits don't justify to keep it in W:A imo.
Well, I disagree with that. But we can stop de-railing this thread because things like Muguard are unlikely to ever happen in WA.
If noone asks for possible help from them, of course it won't happen then. They know how to get rid of AHK, we don't, why not ask for support? I am not saying it needs to be a 1:1 copy of whatever MuGuard is (client/server). But they certainly have knowledge that can help us. Not every company out there is selfish. And god knows what they can contribute to this. We shouldn't discuss if it's good or bad, we should simply ask.
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Best anticheat would be a windows driver to intercept buttons before they're passed to key driver (or something like that) ;D. Was Entuser's idea, he said he might do it, donation to PX to get this anticheat any1 ? xD
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I'm on a laptop and the spacebar is keylocked. Are you trolling me or what? :o
lol @ trolling I'm not quite sure what that is but I'm sure it's nothing good and I hope I'm not doing it.
I just have a strong distaste for anything being used but the spacebar and just couldn't hold my tongue, sorry.
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I just have a strong distaste for anything being used but the spacebar
Nothing wrong with that imo, especially considering that roping wastes spacebars for breakfast... if i was to buy a new keyboard i would also remap space to say right shift or something, for the sake of easier use and durability. :)
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darkz, i think i added alot to this thread... pointing out how suspicious you are, and the fact that you are more then likely a cheater.. (i could very well be wrong) but i doubt it
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You have done nothing but make a fool of yourself tbh.
And to quote you, I'm not the only one who thinks that way.
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not even gonna try getting involved in the debate, but can anyone show me a TUS replay where somebody has cheated and won because of it? There are thousands of replays on the site, is there any proof of cheating ever being used to an advantage in a league game for an unfair win? I think people are making too big a deal about it... there is no problem with "cheaters" on TUS.... so far two people have been banned for cheating... 2 people.... thats not many games and its not yet been proven whether they even "cheated" or not for 100%
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not even gonna try getting involved in the debate, but can anyone show me a TUS replay where somebody has cheated and won because of it?
I'm not in debate too, cos I got inactive last time (I got real life too, lol), but this script gives you unfair advantage, improve your timing, make your scroll and shadow easier (it was said sooo many times).
Anyway, even if these cheats don't win games, there is still rule in TUS league to not use them, everybody who doesn't respect the rules, should get banned imo.
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Well, I wonder if we'll live to see someone complaining about this tool, but someone whose never been acussed of cheating. So far, we ain't go that person in this thread, we can only wait.
For what it's worth, I also don't think it's a good idea to hail this extremely rudimentary attempt at detecting some illegitimate uses (the infamous sX/SnipeR/whoever-else-used-it script) of some cheating utilities (AHK and similar automation software) as an effective solution to detecting and preventing cheating on WormNet.
There's not only the issue of false positives soiling the reputation of clean players, but, perhaps even more importantly, it runs the risk of making the wider community think of it in a binary way. You know, either you trigger the cheat detector and you're a cheater or you don't and you're fine and can continue making the game easier for yourself in whatever other ways you may have found. I think you'll agree that would be far from a desirable outcome.
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PX developers are making an antihotkeys tool (into a PX scheme) , hope it will work
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not even gonna try getting involved in the debate, but can anyone show me a TUS replay where somebody has cheated and won because of it?
I'm not in debate too, cos I got inactive last time (I got real life too, lol), but this script gives you unfair advantage, improve your timing, make your scroll and shadow easier (it was said sooo many times).
Anyway, even if these cheats don't win games, there is still rule in TUS league to not use them, everybody who doesn't respect the rules, should get banned imo.
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my point is only 2 people have been banned, its not like hundreds of people are cheating and its a huge problem...
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iam glad for being a defaulter at these raining days xD
and btw nail they were unbanned, dont u see kaleu spamming and playing on tus again? sm0k too.
sometimes i think there no point even at looking for peoples who cheat, just let it be...
when the rape is inevitable, just relax and feel the pleasure.
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Well, I wonder if we'll live to see someone complaining about this tool, but someone whose never been acussed of cheating. So far, we ain't go that person in this thread, we can only wait.
For what it's worth, I also don't think it's a good idea to hail this extremely rudimentary attempt at detecting some illegitimate uses (the infamous sX/SnipeR/whoever-else-used-it script) of some cheating utilities (AHK and similar automation software) as an effective solution to detecting and preventing cheating on WormNet.
There's not only the issue of false positives soiling the reputation of clean players, but, perhaps even more importantly, it runs the risk of making the wider community think of it in a binary way. You know, either you trigger the cheat detector and you're a cheater or you don't and you're fine and can continue making the game easier for yourself in whatever other ways you may have found. I think you'll agree that would be far from a desirable outcome.
I agree, and to some extent, arguments from both schools of thought is hearsay until we know the exact application of this program. It hasn't even been able to be applied to a replay yet, until that happens, both sides can run the rhetoric machine full throttle and there will still be no resolution. I think it would behoove both sides to just wait until immortal comes back with the analysis before any further action is taken.
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I don't mean to put any more fuel into this fire but.
I think it would behoove both sides to just wait until immortal comes back with the analysis before any further action is taken.
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For w:a replays, I thought it would work, but it doesn't [...]
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walrus is right... lets just wait until immortal is able to check replays
its pretty obvious darkz is worried about something... until then, we wait. no big deal.
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I assume that darkz and komo have or have had the program, why not share it with those people trying to come up with a way to stop people from using it to cheat in hopes they can figure out an actual tool that doesn't fail?
ropa don't bring me into this lol I have nothing to do with AHK I didn't even know it existed or what it was until that thread with SnipeR, and even then I tried turning a blind eye until everyone kept telling me how much of twat avirex is and pointing me towards this thread.
http://www.muguard.org/
Detects AHK and disables it. If you want cheat-free TUS games just add this.
Source: http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic73897.html
Quite ironic the "most known cheater lol" knows how to solve this. Have fun.
how in the world is it ironic? :D
avi, go back to school, you should learn the meaning of more words.
darkz, i think i added alot to this thread... pointing out how suspicious you are, and the fact that you are more then likely a cheater.. (i could very well be wrong) but i doubt it
You've added nothing but trouble and accusations for no reason, how could anyone even think darKz cheats he ropes slow, and his favourite scheme is Elite then BnG, he rarely even ropes that much now tbh, you keep saying you think he cheats then saying you don't think he cheat he's just suspicious then say he cheats again, make your f@#!ing mind up, stop gibbering rubbish and shutup.
MonkeyIsland - Can you please do something about avirex? It's f@#!ing pathetic for people like avirex going around trolling on a daily basis, now he's accusing one of the best and most respected players on WA of cheating, or at least "hiding something" or being "suspicious", he can't even make his mind up he's that much of a plonker...
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Cheers mate, signed.
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what exactly is ironic about the biggest cheater on w:a knowing how to prevent cheating... obviously he has studied up on the art of cheating...
so, if anyone wants to tell me whats ironic about it, i would be glad to listen
but maybe your right, i should go back to school so i can learn what in the f@#! a plonker is...
and komo, im not trolling, im simply pointing out an obvious thing, im not the only one who thinks darkz is acting strange... do i think he cheats? ill be honest.. im undecided, and i apologies for accusing him with no proof...
so this is avirex, asking for darkz forgiveness, i am very sorry for accusing you of something that i have absolutely no proof of...
komo, i believe there was already a post made about asking MODS to ban, or punish others..
i would suggest you and i both get banned, we both deserve it, and i think it would be pretty funny... cuz it will hurt you far more then it will effect me... now shut the f@#! up you plonker
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You don't know what "ironic" means if you don't "get it".
How is darKz acting strange? He is being very helpful at the very least, and no need to tell us you are undecided, we all know that, it's obvious.
I didn't ask MI to ban or punish you, you have eyes for a reason, why don't you use them properly? I would never ask him to ban you or punish you cuz I know he wouldn't do it, I don't want you to get banned anyway cuz sometimes I do really like your ideas and sometimes your shits funny...
The fact that you are saying we both deserve to be banned, more the point you think you should be banned yourself is really lame, you just said you are not trolling, you keep saying how you understand this entire thread and you've done nothing wrong, yet you think you should be banned?
Instead of replying to this thread, why don't you just go outside, find the nearest lampost and run into it, it's roughly the same degree of stupidity that you are showing here anyway...
Are you trying to ruin darKz reputation, because he's in b2b? Because he's a good friend of mine, in fact, same with Ramone, Prankster, it seems people who I associate myself with, you have an immediate problem with... You are such a shallow person it just isn't funny, it's ok to joke with people and insult them in a comedic way now and again...
avi you can come back with the usual trash talk but can you please answer the following honestly if possible, do you actually care about this game/community at all? It really doesn't look like you care that much, you never ever talk to us about anything nice, without trash talking someone at some point, I miss the old you when we used to have conversations that wasn't about shaving balls or insulting people, we used to talk about girlfriends and holidays and funny things that happened when we were out with our mates n shit, now all you do is insult me and other people, and why? Cuz we have a few different opinions? Cuz of a couple arguements with Shyguy in the past?? We should be enjoying this shit and helping each other, not hating each other and being c@#!s...
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Well, I wonder if we'll live to see someone complaining about this tool, but someone whose never been acussed of cheating. So far, we ain't go that person in this thread, we can only wait.
For what it's worth, I also don't think it's a good idea to hail this extremely rudimentary attempt at detecting some illegitimate uses (the infamous sX/SnipeR/whoever-else-used-it script) of some cheating utilities (AHK and similar automation software) as an effective solution to detecting and preventing cheating on WormNet.
There's not only the issue of false positives soiling the reputation of clean players, but, perhaps even more importantly, it runs the risk of making the wider community think of it in a binary way. You know, either you trigger the cheat detector and you're a cheater or you don't and you're fine and can continue making the game easier for yourself in whatever other ways you may have found. I think you'll agree that would be far from a desirable outcome.
Ya because its comon for people to tap at 1 frame per tap?
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komo, its very ironic that a cheater would be giving up the information.... (unless he does not play anymore, and does not care) ((just saying))
however, its not by any means ironic that a cheater knows the information, which is what he said "how ironic that the most known cheaters knows how to stop it" or whatever, im too lazy to go back.. cuz i dont care... its just not f@#!ing ironic you...... "plonker"
if your cant see how darkz is acting strange, then get your head out of his ass and re-read this entire thread..
the rest of your last post went way out of topic, but thats what you do best.
but i will answer your question, since you asked nicely, like my little bitch-
yes, i care about the community... but im also very passionate about my ball shaving technique.
edit: i guess ill say this one more time... darkz, im sorry for accusing you of something without any proof... i do not want to believe your a cheater, i just feel your behavior has been strange, and suspicious...
the best thing we can do, as i said several times now, is lets wait for immortal to check old replays... im sure no one has anything to worry about.
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The only problem I have with this thread, and it includes all of you stupid morons who I consider friends, is that the efforts are being focused on proving how this tool is useless as opposed to enhancing its functionality.
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not even gonna try getting involved in the debate, but can anyone show me a TUS replay where somebody has cheated and won because of it? There are thousands of replays on the site, is there any proof of cheating ever being used to an advantage in a league game for an unfair win? I think people are making too big a deal about it... there is no problem with "cheaters" on TUS.... so far two people have been banned for cheating... 2 people.... thats not many games and its not yet been proven whether they even "cheated" or not for 100%
I sadly don't have the replays due to numerous hard drive changes/computer changes but I have been on the receiving end of a lot of RR clanners against someone who could play with xspeed without detection.
Without the use of the cheating, I for sure wouldn't have lost the clanners.
That person admitted to it after, but maybe not to the surprise of everyone.
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The only problem I have with this thread, and it includes all of you stupid morons who I consider friends, is that the efforts are being focused on proving how this tool is useless as opposed to enhancing its functionality.
Don't jump to conclusions m8. I've been talking to Immortal in private. ;)
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why is everyone afraid to expose a cheater? i f@#!ing love it!! i f@#!ing live for it!! there is no greater rush in life hahaha jk
but seriously ryan, say the nane name.
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Don't jump to conclusions m8. I've been talking to Immortal in private. ;)
You should have said earlier darkz, not for me, since I know you're acting under good faith, but if you said so earlier maybe you might have stopped avirex in his crusade
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The only problem I have with this thread, and it includes all of you stupid morons who I consider friends.
same here :(
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komo, its very ironic that a cheater would be giving up the information.... (unless he does not play anymore, and does not care) ((just saying))
Avi, I'd really know why you persist so much on the thought that I cheat? Is there any replay, conversation that makes you think that? I really would like to get that out of the way and that we could actually be cool again. Maybe I can even confirm something that you thought about me, I am not going to lie to you or anything there is no reason for me to lie.
Not asking much but tell me what has changed your mind so drastically. PM me or write here it doesn't matter.
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avirex , get a life man xDDDDDD
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this thread is hot!
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komo, its very ironic that a cheater would be giving up the information.... (unless he does not play anymore, and does not care) ((just saying))
Avi, I'd really know why you persist so much on the thought that I cheat? Is there any replay, conversation that makes you think that? I really would like to get that out of the way and that we could actually be cool again. Maybe I can even confirm something that you thought about me, I am not going to lie to you or anything there is no reason for me to lie.
Not asking much but tell me what has changed your mind so drastically. PM me or write here it doesn't matter.
As stated earlier, I don't have the replays, but I am sure anyone involved in FB has.
You cheated against me and Flamie (MwC) various times when you were in sCa in RRs and then finally admitted it.
After that, you can't possibly try and defend yourself, for all anyone knows, you could have been cheating the whole damn time.
History tends to repeat itself.
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Big mistake starting this thread without the program actually working properly. These "discussions" are only splitting the community, and I feel sorry for dark whos name and reputation is being damaged as a result of it. Lock the thread and when/if immortal have something 100% legit ready, we can reopen the matter?
Ps: I still love you avi, but I cannot give you my support on this one. I hope im still your boytoy :-[
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The best and most logical thing to do here would be for MI to delete and remove this entire thread so it doesn't exist anymore, and the people involved actually trying to do something useful can continue their work in private via PM or other means of communication.
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komo, its very ironic that a cheater would be giving up the information.... (unless he does not play anymore, and does not care) ((just saying))
Avi, I'd really know why you persist so much on the thought that I cheat? Is there any replay, conversation that makes you think that? I really would like to get that out of the way and that we could actually be cool again. Maybe I can even confirm something that you thought about me, I am not going to lie to you or anything there is no reason for me to lie.
Not asking much but tell me what has changed your mind so drastically. PM me or write here it doesn't matter.
As stated earlier, I don't have the replays, but I am sure anyone involved in FB has.
You cheated against me and Flamie (MwC) various times when you were in sCa in RRs and then finally admitted it.
After that, you can't possibly try and defend yourself, for all anyone knows, you could have been cheating the whole damn time.
History tends to repeat itself.
Yes indeed in the offline RR Challenge I did use xSpeed and I confirmed that to Flamie via MSN and I said sorry. I can not recall confirming any cheating in Online games against MwC nor vs. any other clan. I can confirm using various tools to rope with in warmers online, be it under an alias or not. The point that I am trying to make is that I do NOT recall cheating in official League Games. If I did, sCa would have kicked me, as well as all the other highly famous and respected clans. It's funny, I remember that when we both were in Ce ryan, we clanered together and that was after sCa and you never left a word about it. In fact most of the guys that tend to label me as a cheater are very quiet when I were in their clan, be it dt, or cE or whatever. You seem to forget that IF I ever confirmed I cheated, why in gods name do all these clans kept on recruiting me. If you can answer me that, I'd be fairly happy.
When AL was brougth alive in 2007 or 2008 around, I joined dt with avirex, deano and Mablak. That was all AFTER the issues I had with MrE, it was AFTER your so called confirmation that I cheated against MwC. Why did they let me in? After I left dt I made a clan with benz and vert, BoD and cBod later on. And that was it, I became inactive and just play 1 or 2 games a week for fun. And after like 2 years I come back to TUS and all of sudden the people I once played no problem with start this, RIDICULOUS! I am pointing the finger on you ryan, why did you never said this to me before my break, why now?
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4th post in:
http://www.laene.nl/CE/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1529&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Later on in that very topic you admitted to cheating for 4/5 months, no comment.
Took me 5 minutes to find that thread, keywords like 'cheaters' are handy.
BTW: The only problem I have is defending something you have done is blasphemous.
Why did clans recruit you? You are an asset to most clans. You play well in leagues and show good stats to back it up. You are popular and clan leaders know that good wormers would want to join a clan that you are a member of. You are a nice person.
You like those answers, huh? You should be fairly happy with that.
PS: As a person I don't have a problem with you. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed playing you, cheating aside you were cool to talk to.
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Big mistake starting this thread without the program actually working properly. These "discussions" are only splitting the community, and I feel sorry for dark whos name and reputation is being damaged as a result of it. Lock the thread and when/if immortal have something 100% legit ready, we can reopen the matter?
Ps: I still love you avi, but I cannot give you my support on this one. I hope im still your boytoy :-[
Do not lock this thread, allow us to debate and let things come out of said debate.
Crazy, please go do campaign somewhere else and for the love of god, stop backsteat moderating this forum. I understand you just rather we all lived happily in rainbow land and wore just skirts, but good things can come out from heated up debates, there's no reason to lock this thread as long as it's kept insult free, so if you cannot cope with a bit of hostiltiy or passive-agressiveness towards a debate then I suggest you find another thread in which you are more comfortable.
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Is it me or this thread is giving me tus reputation? Because it went from 6 to 9 and all I did is posting here lol
As said by wowwow, PX will have real anticheat tools, so I don't know if I should keep trying to make a good script using EAX...
For those peoples bugging me in #AG because they want me to check W:A replays, please, stop, I can't.
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Thanks for digging up that thread Ryan, I totally forgot I was "Der Förster" on FB for a while, good memories. :D
Now I don't know if you read it but Anubis admitted to cheating while aliasing, which is an entirely different story. He probably didn't play league games while under an alias.
Many of you seem to think Anubis has been cheating all this time.. Which is sad imo.
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i dont think anubis cheated all the time, i just think he cheated, and its obvious and for him to try and tell us that he never cheater during league... come on, how naive do you think we are??
he even admits to knowing how to bypass xspeed lags.
as far as you joining dt, we were only trying to stay competitive... we wanted the best members, and we wanted to win... and we did (unless i pulled an avirex turn) haha
was it the best thing? i dont know, depends who you ask, and at what mind frame they are in at the time... during death touch all we cared about was winning.. now alot of the same death touch players are in mm(military minds) and when you came back to TuS this recent time, you asked to join us... it was no surprise you joined another clan before you even got an answer, but we voted NO in the private forum anyways because your a known cheater.
Anubis, at the end of the day, i dont want you to think i hate you... infact, you were always one of my favorite to play with, you understand my sense of humor, and joke back with me, there are many sensitive people on worms who can not take an avirex joke, you were never one of them and would joke back with me and talk shit...
but cheating is not a joke, and im going to call a spade a spade.. sorry... im not going to sit here and say "oh no, he is the most respectable player i know, no way does he cheat"
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"hes been playing worms far too long, he cant possibly cheat"
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"he has built his reputation around being fair, i dont believe he is a cheater"
sorry, im not going to do that....
but now that ryan posted that FB thread, maybe now some of you newschool rats that think you know everything (guaton) can see why when darkz post a replay with anubis trying to discredit any program that detects cheating it means absolutely nothing, and seems suspicious
crazy- i love you, and im not looking for anyones support.. im just pointing out facts and it seems like its too much for some people to handle, and thats fine.
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even my secretary got interested in this thread, cos it is about cheating lol.
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There are many cheaters around there.
Just wait for that PX Anticheat tool, so we'll all finally have the evidences we needed to point out the cheaters.
And if they stop cheating after the release, we'll see it quite easly.
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Man I can't believe you're still saying I cover up for someone. Can't you f@#!ing read avirex? Either that or you're lacking a big deal of common sense.. Just so incredible lol.
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when did i say that again???
all i said is its still suspicious... and hate to break it to you, but it is...
why "cant you believe" i still think its suspicious? because you have komo backing you up like a sock puppet? (lol muppet, good times)
or because you posted a replay with anubis????
but when did i even mention your name, let alone say your covering up for anyone in my latest post???... darkz, your very defensive, i realize this is a touchy subject for you, but try to relax.
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well , im not rly that new , ive been playing for 5 years , and imo its enough time to know good enough to the most of the ppl who is "walking" around this game atm
but well... im gonna shoot myself cos i havent been playing worms a half of my life , and im emo .
xDDD
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Big mistake starting this thread without the program actually working properly. These "discussions" are only splitting the community, and I feel sorry for dark whos name and reputation is being damaged as a result of it. Lock the thread and when/if immortal have something 100% legit ready, we can reopen the matter?
Ps: I still love you avi, but I cannot give you my support on this one. I hope im still your boytoy :-[
Do not lock this thread, allow us to debate and let things come out of said debate.
Crazy, please go do campaign somewhere else and for the love of god, stop backsteat moderating this forum. I understand you just rather we all lived happily in rainbow land and wore just skirts, but good things can come out from heated up debates, there's no reason to lock this thread as long as it's kept insult free, so if you cannot cope with a bit of hostiltiy or passive-agressiveness towards a debate then I suggest you find another thread in which you are more comfortable.
I don`t need anyone to wear any skirts ropa, I`m more then satisfied after wacking off to a picture of you halfnude enjoying the sun.
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darkz, your very defensive
It's true, and that is suspicious (nothing against you DarkZ, but your behaviour on this thread tends to be hidding something).
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hahahhahahah +1 crazy, great post! llolol... now im gonna go wack too! :D
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I don`t need anyone to wear any skirts ropa, I`m more then satisfied after wacking off to a picture of you halfnude enjoying the sun.
I'm glad of being of use
anyway, I'm sure you got my point
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rofl!! u will be in a heaven when i post pics to the sexy league crazy!
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Thanks for digging up that thread Ryan, I totally forgot I was "Der Förster" on FB for a while, good memories. :D
Now I don't know if you read it but Anubis admitted to cheating while aliasing, which is an entirely different story. He probably didn't play league games while under an alias.
Many of you seem to think Anubis has been cheating all this time.. Which is sad imo.
Cheating + While Aliasing = No Longer Cheating? Lets be honest cheating is cheating, Anubis cheated, hes already taken heat for it, but that's not what this is about. Anubis already got his long ago. I just found this to be a curious defense.
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Quite a lot but like I said the benefits don't justify to keep it in W:A imo.
Well, I disagree with that. But we can stop de-railing this thread because things like Muguard are unlikely to ever happen in WA.
Remapping windows key to spacebar?
How is that legit? Use the damn spacebar!
I'm on a laptop and the spacebar is keylocked. Are you trolling me or what? :o
Worst excuse :p, i had to learn how to rope again with keylock, so! u are just making it easir for u. neways u can use anothern ot based on AHK program to remap so ur point's kinda silly.
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Alright so I'm acting suspicious, that's your opinion.
Some of you are a bunch of dumbf@#!s who can't read and say things which are uncalled for, that's my opinion.
End of story.
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Worst excuse :p, i had to learn how to rope again with keylock, so! u are just making it easir for u. neways u can use anothern ot based on AHK program to remap so ur point's kinda silly.
So because you bothered to re-learn roping with keylock (kudos, btw) that makes it the only blessed way? AFAIK remapping is acceptable among majority of wormers. Call me lazy if you want.
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TUS stats: 2 Fights per day.
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TUS stats: 2 Fights per day.
I lol'd
Why did I get 1 reputation point by posting this ? No rly, more posts = more reputation? Guys let's spam now
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TUS stats: 2 Fights per day.
I lol'd
Why did I get 1 reputation point by posting this ? No rly, more posts = more reputation? Guys let's spam now
Well this theory work reverse with Kaleu xD
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TUS stats: 2 Fights per day.
I lol'd
Why did I get 1 reputation point by posting this ? No rly, more posts = more reputation? Guys let's spam now
Because you're trying to detect cheaters, they enjoy it and gave an applaud for you. :)
Well this theory work reverse with Kaleu xD
I don't care about TUS karma, i'm not saying this because i have lot of - , for me it's the worse feature. :-X
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2949160682_d1db03eb19.jpg)
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Reputation is made for what you are itself indeed these numbers menas nothing +1 xD
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edit: ok
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And tell me guys how can darkz not be defensiv when 20 people accuse him oO, stop your witch hunt :x
You all forget it's just w:a, stop playing your life and thinking you are important on a f@#!ing forum :x
w:a was always full of people experiencing programs of all genre, it will never change, and having mad taps is not the same than having mad skills,
Fast taps + no control = nothing, so close this topic ffs go daiiiiiii go daiiii you should play more and desactivate your snooper a bit
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And tell me guys how can darkz not be defensiv when 20 people accuse him oO
He started to be before getting accused.
Anyway, insulting someone who has done nothing except giving hints is a nice act of stupidity.
Peace DarkZ, you're nothing more than a dumbf@#!. Your words.
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Very constructiv ... been always like that on w:a people will cheat forever and some will always been accused of even if they never cheated,
hf with lame argue
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Most stupid topic ever!
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Very constructiv ... been always like that on w:a people will cheat forever and some will always been accused of even if they never cheated,
Did I say once he was cheating ? I just felt like he was hiding something (doesn't mean cheating), and it still is a feeling.
There is no point in arguing with people who doesn't understand what you say.
I understood that, and that's the reason why there is no point in arguing.
Evidences will make the job.
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Anyway, insulting someone who has done nothing except giving hints is a nice act of stupidity.
My point exactly.
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evil1 its obvious you have no clue what your talking about...
i just hope this program comes out where we can check old replays... it will be funny to see what kind of defensive act people put up then.
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I lost all my replays, u can't see my replays, I'm not a cheater, plz dun accuse cheating without proofs )=
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I lost all my replays, u can't see my replays, I'm not a cheater, plz dun accuse cheating without proofs )=
Cheater! cheater! cheater! AHK!
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xD
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evil1 its obvious you have no clue what your talking about...
i just hope this program comes out where we can check old replays... it will be funny to see what kind of defensive act people put up then.
When did you change your name to evil1? xD
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that was real witty dude... did you and lalo put your heads together and come up with that? or did you think of it all by yourself?
either way, im applauding you for the joke, was hilarious... (omg i just applauded ramone, and komo simultaneously, this could be the fall of my FoS empire! omg)
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that was real witty dude... did you and lalo put your heads together and come up with that? or did you think of it all by yourself?
either way, im applauding you for the joke, was hilarious... (omg i just applauded ramone, and komo simultaneously, this could be the fall of my FoS empire! omg)
It wasn't witty, it was obvious xD