More 'Schemes'?

[TheKomodo]

You DO like TTRR more than you like SSR, I think that's obvious.

I know, but you still said it in a hypocritical way.

Can't really argue with this, these are facts about being terrible at rope, and 3 schemes, I do think we have somehow drifted away from the discussion a bit.

Basically I wonder why you think TTRR (being a single element of the game) is fine to have as a scheme, although SSR isn't (being a single element of the game also).

Basically the ONLY reason I see for this, is because it is more popular, and as i've already said, popularity doesn't decide Classic league schemes, otherwise BnG wouldn't be in, I think more SSR's would get played than BnG's, but BnG holds its position in the Classic league because it's always been there I guess.

I think it would be nice to even just try these schemes for a few months to try them out, no harm would be done to try them, not everyone will like them, but enough people will, not everyone likes every scheme that's available in the Classic league already, some people don't like BnG, some don't like Rope schemes, some don't like defaults etc...

Anyway, i'm happy eitherway because I get my new PC monitor today - 42"HDTV Plasma screen Samsung

[Husk]

how about we make a poll about should ssr/bungeerace/forts in classic league or freeleague x;

[ShyGuy]

You DO like TTRR more than you like SSR, I think that's obvious.

And so what? that has nothing to do with any of the points I have been making at all.

Basically I wonder why you think TTRR (being a single element of the game) is fine to have as a scheme, although SSR isn't (being a single element of the game also).

I already gave multiple reasons.. I'll say them again;
TTRR is all about the rope; there are 3 schemes you can lose at just because you suck at the rope.
For ss, there is only ONE scheme that the ss is used crucially in, and even if you fail at the ss in elite, that doesn't mean you lose.  Plus, like cue said, you don't even have to have the element of ss in elite.

So when it comes to ttrr vs ssr, one severely complements THREE schemes while the other possibly complements one part of one scheme.

Basically the ONLY reason I see for this, is because it is more popular, and as i've already said, popularity doesn't decide Classic league schemes, otherwise BnG wouldn't be in, I think more SSR's would get played than BnG's, but BnG holds its position in the Classic league because it's always been there I guess.

Why do you ignore my other reasons and replace them for this incorrect one?  If that were true, then I wouldn't have advocated w2roper and wouldn't be advocating 30 sec rr... both of those schemes are unpopular...  my history automatically negates that statement you made...

good discussion

[TheKomodo]

It does actually, your opinion of SSR and TTRR is different because you like one ALOT more than the other, and you are used to TTRR in the league, if SSR was in TuS before you registered, and you didn't have a choice, I honestly don't think you would complain, I think you'd be happy with it, thus making a slightly BIAS decision on schemes.

I've already said, those reasons don't really matter, it doesn't matter how useful a weapon is, or a single element, the main thing about a league like this is competitive and fun challenges and games, I think these 3 schemes would add to this, as both Bungee and SSR in their single element are VERY challenging, fun and competitive, even more so than TTRR in my opinion, it's easier to TTRR than it is to Bungee Race imo, SSR also, you can't fall and get another try usually with Bungee, like you do in TTRR, if you hit a wall with SS turn ends, unlike TTRR, so to me it'd be more fun and challenging, and competitive than TTRR... Another reason why I think they should be part of the Classic league.

I ignore your reasons for this point because I find them irrelevant to the discussion, why should SSR not be accepted just because Rope schemes are more popular?

w2rope is really unpopular and I think it was an honest mistake, 30s RR isn't unpopular as it was very popular before TTRR, I actually think people will use this.

TTRR/Rope are not accepted because they are "important" in other schemes, they are accepted simply because they are popular and fun/competitive schemes to play, 2 of the most popular actually, it has nothing to do with them being important parts of Elite or any other scheme...

So I think your point about this has absolutely no relevance or hold for this debate, at least I honestly do not see why it should or even would.

Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

[avirex]

did u say something other then muppet muppet muppet?


jeez, no1 reads ur long ass posts.. wtf

[ShyGuy]

It does actually, your opinion of SSR and TTRR is different because you like one ALOT more than the other, and you are used to TTRR in the league, if SSR was in TuS before you registered, and you didn't have a choice, I honestly don't think you would complain, I think you'd be happy with it, thus making a slightly BIAS decision on schemes.

Wtf? you are so god damn annoying... why don't you stop dictating my thoughts like you know them better than me...? ffs...
I have said numerous times in the past that roper should not be a league scheme... I am talking years ago... I didn't think roper was league worthy, and I still don't, which is one of the reasons why I advocated w2roper. If you really want my reasons as to why roper shouldn't be in the league, we can discuss that elsewhere.  The fact is, I HAVE complained about the legitimacy of schemes before, and just because YOU didn't know I did does not mean that you get to make some arrogant conclusion about how I would act towards something... especially something I have been arguing against this whole thread... I mean seriously, how can you come back and tell me how I would act if things were different?  You have no credence over my thoughts.

I've already said, those reasons don't really matter, it doesn't matter how useful a weapon is, or a single element, the main thing about a league like this is competitive and fun challenges and games, I think these 3 schemes would add to this, as both Bungee and SSR in their single element are VERY challenging, fun and competitive, even more so than TTRR in my opinion, it's easier to TTRR than it is to Bungee Race imo, SSR also, you can't fall and get another try usually with Bungee, like you do in TTRR, if you hit a wall with SS turn ends, unlike TTRR, so to me it'd be more fun and challenging, and competitive than TTRR... Another reason why I think they should be part of the Classic league.

Those reasons do matter.  You are probably the only one who doesn't acknowledge that.  I can guarantee what I have been saying has been common sense to the respected, experienced players of this game.  As for your comment about bungee difficulty vs ttrr difficulty, for me, personally, it didn't take years to get good at bungee like it did for rope... I am curious if that is the same with everyone else.  As for difficulty of getting mablak and dibz times in ttrr vs bungee skill? You have no argument there; it is much more difficult to achieve the former.

I ignore your reasons for this point because I find them irrelevant to the discussion, why should SSR not be accepted just because Rope schemes are more popular?

your "why should ssr not be accepted just because rope schemes are more popular?" statement is irrelevant to the discussion.  The only thing I said about popularity was that ssr was unpopular.. I never made a statement about the popularity of roping schemes in correlation to the validity of ssr.

So I think your point about this has absolutely no relevance or hold for this debate, at least I honestly do not see why it should or even would.

Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

I advocated w2roper because of ALL OF THE REASONS I HAVE BEEN STATING THIS WHOLE DAMN TIME. I'm against 2 of your schemes because of the same reasons I have been posting.  You keep brushing my reasons off as irrelevant, but you are in the minority with that thinking.

Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league.... I have seen players continuing to support those schemes for the free league though... oh, but you think the free league is retarded.... so let's change the system for komo even though there are people happy with the way free league is now.

[avirex]

im not sure if komo even cares if ssr is in the league... or bungee is in the league... or 30 second rr is in the league.. or if w2roper is in the league... i would almost even bet he does not care if bng is in the league....

im pretty sure he just wants to argue about somthing, with someone... no matter what it is... or who its with.... he just wants to argue....

or as komo likes to call it, debate.

[TheKomodo]

avi, how weird are you lol, 1st you say no one reads my long posts, and Shyguys posts have been longer than mine in the last few pages...

Funny you don't seem to be bothering him about it lol, oh yeah, I guess that's because you like to hold his hand haha.

Ok Shy, I am dictacting your thoughts about SSR and TTRR because they are correct and you even know that, you DO like TTRR alot more than SSR, even if you like them both, the only reason you have the opinions you do about this suggestion is because you like some things more than the others, and you have opinions about some things being more important or "essential" than others, and I am coming to the conclusion about the way you act about THIS matter because of the things you have been saying.


I don't think those reasons matter, i've already explained this and if you can't understand it then I really can't be bothered debating with you anymore because you always take everything personal and start losing your temper and avi comes in talking alot of crap with no useful information about the debate he just wants to flame, you can never stay calm, it's dissapointing.

You said Rope is an element used more often than SSR which is why it's accepted as a scheme, go figure the rest out yourself.

So many people advocated w2rope, and never stuck by it, not even HALF those people have even played one yet, it was a complete failure, and no one cares, no harm done, so why can't we try the schemes i've suggested? If it doesn't work out, no harm done so what's the big deal???


I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic, people wanna play classic more because it's the more popular and competitive league, if a few more schemes were introduced, I think they would play them because it is the more competitive and popular league everyone is playing.

People play those schemes in Free league, for the simple reason they are IN Free league... If they were in Classic, I think they would play those schemes there instead, maybe even more so.

[avirex]

muppet

[ShyGuy]

Ok Shy, I am dictacting your thoughts about SSR and TTRR because they are correct and you even know that, you DO like TTRR alot more than SSR, even if you like them both, the only reason you have the opinions you do about this suggestion is because you like some things more than the others

Seriously, f@#! off, troll.  You say shit like that and then say oh oh oh you get too personal and lose your temper muppet muppet muppet... I wonder why?  When you ignore what I say and replace it with "the only reason you" and "i dictate your thoughts because they are correct and you know it", I wanna f@#!ing kick you in the face because of how damn arrogant you are and always will be.  How about I start dictating your thoughts? okay, you quit tus singles not because you didn't get good points for wins, but because you feel too shitty whenever you lose a bng... afterall, you say bng is for fun, so why would you quit because of points? How do you like that? I just dictated your thoughts... and you know I am right... muppet muppet muppet.. look, I can be a komo, too!


"You said Rope is an element used more often than SSR which is why it's accepted as a scheme, go figure the rest out yourself."

You are the only one that disputes that... you are f@#!ing alone, komo.. why can't you see that? WHY?

I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic, people wanna play classic more because it's the more popular and competitive league, if a few more schemes were introduced, I think they would play them because it is the more competitive and popular league everyone is playing.

"Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?"

Where did you say "think"? Where? where did you say it, you f@#!ing asshole? Contradicted yourself once again.

Here is another opinion of mine: I think everything komo says about anything should be disregarded unless it is about bng... he doesn't know shit about anything other than bng, so why should we listen to his twisted views on elites and t17? he knows NOTHING.

you can never stay calm, it's dissapointing.

You are right.. I can't, because you are such a good troll... if you honestly think you have been such a great person in discussing stuff, and other people getting mad is unjust and a disappointment, then you really need to do some self evaluation... You piss everyone off.. and when you say stuff like "you can never stay calm, it's disappointing" that strongly leads me to believe you are just trolling like a pathetic dick. Goodbye

[TheKomodo]

Ok Shy, you wanna kick me in the face, i'll give you my personal address you can come pay me a visit, it'd be the last thing you ever do.

You can't stay calm, you always get moody and lose your temper, so if anything, you are the "pathetic person"

You and avi are the "trolls"

I know more about WA than you do, I just can't do some things as good as you, such as TTRR.

You have took this whole thing WAY out of perception, I said you like TTRR more than you like SSR, it is true, you WON'T deny it, but instead you get all protective about a LITTLE THING that isn't even insulting in the slightest and start acting like a child.

I'm done with this, i'm done with you, you can't focus on anything, you have temper issues and you can't even talk like an adult.

Yet again you ruined a perfectly good debate, YOU are the one that lost temper and started insult etc, not me, so take a look at yourself, not me.

Anyway, off ot get my new TV now, enjoy being a pissy little bad tempered child lol.

[ShyGuy]

Troll.

I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:

Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....

I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic

so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,

Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

[Cueshark]

[Uber]

I couldnt be arsed reading the whole discussion as it has 2 many LOOOONG posts where u both just bash at eachother, still u do it in a civillized matter, its obvious u guys dont need much 2 go at eachother! :p And thats fair, the height under the roof should be high and everybody cant like everybody!

As far as ssr being added to CLASSIC league!? omfg i hope this is a joke. i played this game for some years now, i seen that scheme hosted in ag less then 10 times. Its not a normal scheme, its not played enough 2 be brought up in the discussion, as a matter of fact there is nothing "classic" about the scheme at all!

Thats my opinion!

[TheKomodo]

Troll.

I think every time you come back to this thread and troll, I will post this, just so people can see an example of you clearly contradicting yourself and see how arrogant you are:

Also, you say a fair amount of players WOULD play them, yet I don't even see a handful of people supporting those schemes for classic league....

I said I "THINK" a fair amount of players would play those schemes if they were in classic

so I think SSR WOULD be a good addition as I know for a fact people would pick it,

Why accept w2rope into Classic league, even though it's a huge failure, and not give the 3 schemes i've suggested a chance knowing that a fair amount of players WOULD play them?

Shows you just aren't very clever lol, theres a difference between people playing and people picking, go figure it out for yourself, i'm seriously fed up with your poor intellect.