Should’ve had matchmaking and no rite of refusal in ag when asking for tus.  Many would just pm or ask certain players.  Or spam for clanner and then not respond when someone who they were avoiding responded.  The worst is this clanning behavior - if you are clanning you should be prepared to play all schemes with the players present, period.  If you aren’t ready to play all schemes, be prepared to give freewin.

See, I don't think that's a bad idea! In theory though, it's just another deterrant for those who don't want to do everything!

If you hate 75% of schemes that are required to participate... It's not exactly going to have you bursting with excitement that you will be monitored, ridiculed, insulted if you "sneak" around and "avoid" doing things you don't like doing...

It's not about "coward" or "lazy", I bet those people are hard working 9 to 5 guys like the rest of us, supporting families, friends, pets, loved ones, dreams, goals etc... Or at school learning or something...

You can't expect anyone to be available like that in their spare time where they want to relax and destress from all lifes BS...

It's tough enough with most people here finding ONE DAY out of an entire week to schedule PO and Cup matches in advance. So if you don't have the time to be available all the time for your opponents, you can't expect them to be available all the time with the same schemes.

So, we work around that!

Ok, i'll try to take off my autistic hat for a second and try to seriously explain you what goes in my mind.

I've always been a keen league player, i've played 5000 games in this league, competition runs through my veins and it is the only way i enjoy playing this game mostly

It is true that people have their own definition of "having fun" and i totally understand that, we're all different after all, but sometimes people seem to use this as an excuse or a mean to get away with their egoistic and/or cowardice behaviour.

We seem to forget everyday that whenever we talk about about competition, there must be some league concept behind it. Leagues work because they have their very own structure and strict set of rules, the main goal is to finally reward the most skilled and fearless player among the others. If you're willing to play in a competitive league, you're implicitly agreeing to the set of rule and you're most likely aware of what you're about to go through.

Now i know what you're thinking, WA doesn't have enough players right now to be competitive enough, but it's not the central topic in my post. In this game reported here, we can see how people, during a more competitive era, were treated. Notice also, how moderators were more strict towards these kind of behaviours. If you were a cheap/lamer player, you were treated accordingly, hence these type of behaviours were highly discouraged, if not punished, and as a consequence making it harder for you to reach the playoffs, the main goal of this league (rn the main goal for some people is to get a bunch of points and show off some medals, hahaha...). Now what would happen if Walrus and I came across a similar situtation like this today and acted accordingly? The feedback would be totaly different, we would be the one seen as the cowards, and the mods would probably agree with the plebs, despite the fact that the set of rules to abide by have been pretty much the same for the past years.

See what happened? Instead of keep enforcing the same set of rules, the league has always been favourable over the general opinion of the players, thus, in the past years at least, making a league more friendly shaped with the last generation of players. Has it helped with the activity though? Doesn't look like so. Is it the main reason of the inactivity of this league? Probably not completely, but it partially played a major role in my opinion, because playing league this way, at least personally for me, has made it less enjoyable and less competitive. In my eyes, the league has become a joke over the years. To enforce my statement, i'd like to quote a wise guy:

We can go back and forth for days about blame for the downfall of league play, but I find it negligent to blame MI for anything that has happened.  The home page has read the same from day 1 - a site for wormers, built on the suggestions of the community.  I have watched over the years as MI has complied with the suggestions of members; sometimes good, and occasionally terrible, but if it was the will of the people, MI has complied. 

So here we are at the forums homepage that has been guided by a wholistic, democratic approach, and people are complaining about the outcome.  If you want a culprit, point at yourself.  Not much work has gone into this community for a few years now, and your average drive by hot take on TUS involves trashing MI and deadcode and maligning the state of the community.

We put competitive and skills behind to let anyone here have their own 5 minutes of glory so can they showoff their fake medals and fake winning streaks. On another note i love how most of the suggestion that were posted in the topic i quoted walrus, were given by members that never played or at least never took the league seriously.

Now i wanna talk about the fact about why people should be forced to play schemes they don't like:

Right now tus allround has got 11 schemes, ofc people between these schemes, will have on one hand their favourite personal schemes and on the other hand their least favourite schemes. Everybody does, and that includes me as well. So why the f@#! am i supposed to let my opponent decide what to play for the both of us, which competitively speaking gives him a far bigger advantage and a higher chance at winning while i'm not going to enjoy the ride likewisely? That's why i think the "your pick, my pick" is the fairest way to play in this league: you and i both get to play what we enjoy. Don't like my scheme? Well, play 5 minutes, then you're free to quit and give out a free win. I'm sure you won't mind losing points in a scheme you don't care about, right? What did you say? You don't want to lose points? Well my friend, that's called hypocrisy. You state that you wanna play for fun but at the same time you care for points? Hahaha nt...

Not only that, losing points in the schemes you dislike makes it less convenient for your opponent to pick it, hence making it a less smart choice. So we can see that, if the current set rules was enforced properly, the league would work clockwise. However, it's not happening. Because people wanna be competitive in this site but at the same time wanna complain about everything, everyone here look like they want to have a league suitable for themselves without being competitive. It's time some of the people look up on a dictionary:
competition /ˌkɒmpɪˈtɪʃn/ : the activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others.
So if you can't handle the pressure and you don't like being smashed, you should consider playing your favourite scheme by simply hosting it on the wormnet and without bothering competitive players here on tus.

What i think is that the moderators and admins should start making and enforcing their own decisions rather favour the plebs opinion, there are plenty ways we could enforce a more competitive league. Matchmaking is one of them, we could have safe login again on wormnet and bring back ranks again. The key for all innovations right now is automation. And as an automation addicted (i automated dozens of procedures during my internship in the bank, making me pretty popular among the office) i'd like to discuss it further with you.


*takes autistic hat back*

By the looks of it, some ppl in the community would find this cheap!? What's cheap about it?

Because:

1) You're playing in allround/default league: your season/overall points is the sum of different schemes. You're 4th this season, and 86% of your games were bng. Your season rating would be totally different if you wouldn't cherry pick the scheme to play and if you played everyone (i'm not saying you do, i'm saying that tus right now allows you to do it) or let's say if you used a matchmaking system. There are two things that could be done in order to fix this issue: either let your opponent get a free win or, as once ryan suggested

If someone wants to "tus no roper" they should have their current season roper points wiped to 0.

They don't deserve a roper rating because they don't consider it as a scheme they have to play.

The player could tick the schemes they are willing to play on TUS.
Any scheme they aren't willing to play should have a frozen rating of 0.

That way the standings are a reflection of their ALLROUND ability.

This way we get a more realistic and accurate reflection of your allround score.

2)Activity decrease:  paradoxically, playing what you want makes the league more inactive. I can make an example you're more familiar with: in CS:GO you get to pick what map you want to play, if you pick all the maps the matchmaking queue will be faster, as selecting more maps gives you a greater chance to find a game. However, if you pick only one map, your awaiting time will be longer. Now, to translate this worms terms: looking only for one scheme to pick gives you less chance to find a game, hence the activity will be minor. I would be fine with having a matchmaking that lets you pick only bng, but given the current state of the league we should do aim to play everyone and every scheme rather than having an egoistic approach. After all, if you don't care or don't like playing a certain scheme, you can still give away a win to your opponent.

This, my friends, is school example of caring about points.

Oh, yet another stupid bng discussion.

No my friend, if you do care about the league activity, try be a little bit more like me, because you forget that if it would be up to me, i'd pick only ttrr, but that rarely does happen nowadays, therefore i try to play everything when it comes to allround, even my least favourite schemes. And if i lose, it doesn't matter, i gave it a shot and contributed to the league activity.

Because:

1) You're playing in allround/default league: your season/overall points is the sum of different schemes. You're 4th this season, and 86% of your games were bng. Your season rating would be totally different if you wouldn't cherry pick the scheme to play (i'm not saying you do, i'm saying that tus right now allows you to do it) or let's say if you used a matchmaking system.

Well, since there isn't a league specifically for BnG out there (nor Aerial, nor Big RR, nor Jetpack race..), I tend to host it as a mutual pick, yeah. In the end, not gaining/losing anything. Guys like you, on the other hand, that have a goal to reach PO's - can decide will you consider to take this offer of single BnG match and battle it out. You all probably will get more points than you'd lose, since I'm holding #1 spot in BnG atm.. (even though I play it miserably)

Funner BnG is way too boring. Sorry if this affects you that much. I just want a better quality match and you won't get that in #ag, if people have nothing to lose.
 I'm glad Aerial and Big RR were finally added into the main league. These two are my fav scheme. Few years back, would probably be fighting for those PO's big time.. Just don't feel like doing that anymore. Points don't bring that much satisfaction like they used to. Grinding either. And, imo, playing the league way I do right now is better contribution for all of you, than to just go around doing Elites, Hysts, Team17's and giving lot of players lot of points...

Would for sure love some of the schemes I play and want to compete on highest level - get their dedicated leagues. Would make us both happier, since then I wouldn't be bothering with this certain league of 7-8 different schemes.
But let's be realistic.. This is not exactly the game with thousands of players on daily basis and by the looks of it - it never will be. Nor you, nor me won't get what we want.. So let's just try to enjoy it while it lasts.
Maybe Komo's new league idea freshens things up a bit. We'll see.

Sbaffo, the only problem I've ever had with you, like really, the ONLY problem, because other than this, I think you have a great taste of music, great taste of music, great sense of humour... I've smoked a lot weed in the past and I respect other people who are the top of their respective fields.

This is what bothers me ok...

You say "egoistic" and "cowardice" but, that's not an accurate description at all.

For starters, egoistic means that you are pretty much limited to only caring about your own interests and thoughts.

That being said, you're being egoistic more than the very people you accuse of being egoistic.

Think about it...

You are the one who wants to force others to do it YOUR way. It's not the TUS way, nobody is breaking any rules here.

You are LITERALLY the one who is trying to force others to do it the way that suits YOU even though they are literally playing by the TUS rules.

This League is NOT just an allround league, it also has individual standings for each scheme with recorded statistics and the rules allow players to play mutual picks.

People who only play certain schemes can see how they stack up against those other players who play the same schemes.

Here are the rules:

4) Proceeding

• First, you need to find a partner. Then you decide which kind of league you want to play: Classic or Free. Both of you have to pick one scheme and play those two games. The higher season rating must pick first.
• Before the first game start, both of you have to tell what your username on the site is. Missing to do this might have your games infirmed.
• Both players/clans need to agree on the map. If you light up, you agree on the map. Using auto-light up is strictly forbidden. If the opponent picks a non-default sized map without informing you, you can still request a normal sized map at the start of the game and interrupt the game. If the scheme has manual worm placement, you must make the request before the first turn of the game. If the scheme has random worm placement, you must make the request before the second turn of the game.
• After you finished the games, and the games result is 1-1, you can agree on playing a third game
• EVERY GAME MUST BE REPORTED! This means DoN (Double or Nothing) games are highly forbidden!

It says both of you have to pick one scheme and play those two games.

It doesn't say you have to play EVERY scheme in the League.

If you reach the Playoffs THEN you MUST play their picks or give them a free win.

PO is all that matters anyway for Allround because we all know that's where the true allrounders meet.

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The next point, cowardice? Who exactly is a coward? I don't know if you're aiming this at me specifically but even if you're not, I'd just like to say because I'm one of those players who avoid schemes, not players.

When I was playing BnG only in TUS League and a2b League I played the very best players that were around, it's not my fault most players only enjoy playing 1 or 2 games a day at a time unlike me, who would play 10-20 a day.

Not to mention, this is a hobby, how can you call anyone a coward for not wanting to spend their SPARE TIME doing things they don't want?

This is the most important part - NOBODY is breaking rules!

Oh for the sake of clarity Sbaffo, you're egoistic not through your actions but by your words.

You blame others of only thinking about their own interests, but everyone else is just happy doing their own thing.

You, are demanding that they contribute to the league, therefore following YOUR needs, desires, interests.

You see what I mean?

Even though your actions are a positive contribution, the endgoal is that it seems to be YOUR goal, not everyone elses.

Have you even bothered to read my post? "if it would be up to me, i'd pick only ttrr,

It is up to you though? You can pick whatever you want!

However, I have a feeling you mean, you want to pick TTRR, but you cannot, as there are no opponents to play TTRR.

Is this correct?

but that rarely does happen nowadays, therefore i try to play everything when it comes to allround, even my least favourite schemes. And if i lose, it doesn't matter, i gave it a shot and contributed to the league activity" how does this even sound egoistic to you? Everyday i end up in ag picking or playing something suitable for my opponent. I have played 12 ttrr and those were only against dibz lol.

The ideal league model i've just talked about previously doesn't suit for me, it does suit for everyone. YOu know what i could do? I could wait for two rope players all day and then playing only them, ohhh that would benefit soo much for the activity of the league, wouldn't it?

So basically, you've taken it upon yourself to be the wormy martyr of TUS?

To sacrifice your own time for the greater good yes?

Did i hear this right? It's the same thing i've been talking about in my post. Seems you completely ignored all the objective points i've made in my post, you missed it entirely and decided to go for a personal attack, which was never my intention, good job

Wait, personal attack?

Hold on a minute Sbaffo, how is this a personal attack? I didn't attack you.

You accused other people of being "egoistic" when in reality, YOU are the one who is egoistic. I didn't invent the word, but you used it first without realizing it's more relevant to describe you than them.

That is not a personal attack, I like you man! I respect you, how many times do I have to tell you this before you believe it? Do I need to fly to Italy and shake your hand in person so you can see my smile and sincerity??

All I am doing, is trying to point out the reality of the situation, from a perspective that is not your own.

You're blaming everyone else, but nobody is actually doing anything wrong are they?

Please, tell me why anybody should be held accountable for the activity of TUS?

The fact TUS was even born in the first place is pretty damn fortunate and lucky! The fact it's still alive and you can even play this game with players with even a few people you grew up together with who are still very good is a damn miracle!

This game needs automatization like modern games real do, but seems like most of you don't want to face the truth and still live in this forum era, but guess what, forums have gone out of fashion, gamers rather have a more user integrated experience rather than going on an external forums and talk with strangers about... stuff. But yeah, keep living in this bubble. I see things in a bigger picture

Umm, actually, we ALL agree with you on this but unfortunately we can't make that decision it's up to Team17 and they refuse to give us a modern updated Worms Armageddon server with automated ranking and match making systems!

Don't tell us we don't want to face the truth, we just don't have the power to do anything(at least anything legally) about it!

I don't need a league suitable for me, i could keep winning season by season by the way it is right now, but you know what it's not exciting nor fun anymore. Yet you think i want to make things easier for me? hahahah i don't have nothing to prove anymore, and you can bet i'll be there watching you when you guys won't have anyone to play with because you were too turds to make some radical changes or apply your self a little bit more, keep changing league schemes, shit gonna work out soon you bet right? Pathetic

Why don't you try TFL then? You haven't conquered that yet, you still aren't a true allrounder until you do that as well anyway, you're a mainstream player only aren't you?

Or try to reach #1 in scheme standings, if you can.

Also right now blitzed has over 16k points, 2nd place is pretty much half that.

Let's see if you can get #1?

Not that you need to, or anyone does, which is the point!

I avoid sbaffo because he smells of salami and pepperoni