Quote from: Dub-c on December 15, 2009, 11:30 PM
Anyone know the meaning of "Classic"?

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The word Classic means something that is a perfect example of a particular style, something of lasting worth or with a timeless quality. The word can be an adjective (a classic car) or a noun (a classic of American literature). It denotes a particular quality in art, architecture, literature and other cultural artefacts. In commerce, products are named 'classic' to denote a long standing popular version or model, to distinguish it from a newer variety. Classic is used to describe many major, long-standing sporting events. Colloquially, an everyday occurrence (e.g. a joke or mishap) may be described as 'an absolute classic'.

"Classic" should not be confused with classical, which refers specifically to certain cultural styles, especially in music and architecture.

'classic' league just started in tus. the name is now the problem, there was only worms league. thats all.

Quote from: Dub-c on December 15, 2009, 11:30 PM
Anyone know the meaning of "Classic"?

Anyone know the meaning of "Evolution"?

Word beer ^, thats a good point.

U guys got me all wrong, when u keep on saying why we play it, and if we should remove it or not. I NEVER told i wanted 2 remove the scheme. And tell me Nail, do it mean u dont want 2 win the game in bng just cause u dont darkside? nah, cause the RULES tell u not 2. Its not fair against ur opponent that made u come in a spot that means u can lose the game anytime. Im for the hyst scheme, i played many funny matches vs good and bad players in it. I just think we should consider adding rules 2 it, as we have for ALL the other schemes.

And im glad this "thread" got so much response. Discussion only makes the league better imo. Every1 should be able to state their opinion, without being called "2 old" or "2 new" etc.. Just keep to what this post was about (50& of answers been off-topic).

With regards to hysteria being removed from the classic scheme list we were talking to dub.

Quote from: Uber on December 16, 2009, 02:35 AM
U guys got me all wrong, when u keep on saying why we play it, and if we should remove it or not. I NEVER told i wanted 2 remove the scheme. And tell me Nail, do it mean u dont want 2 win the game in bng just cause u dont darkside? nah, cause the RULES tell u not 2.

The thing is, I repeat, hysteria is NOT bng.

The reason darksiding is not allowed in bng is because its unfair, your opponant cannot hit you.

In hysteria you can MOVE anywhere, every turn, so darksiding isnt a problem.

Sure its a problem if you dont do anything about it (like in the case of this game), but thats YOUR problem, not the scheme's.

If your opponant moves to an unreachable spot, there are many things you can do to counteract this (surely I dont need to tell you what these things are).

And if worst comes to worse, waste 10 goes. Then SD comes and its problem solved.

Adding a "no darksiding" rule to hysteria is absurd, primarly for the reason that its NOT NEEDED, and is also very circumstantial. I mean, is it ok for me to darkside at the beginning of the game? If my worms start in a darksided position must I move them so that they can be shot? etc...

There is no need for any darksiding rule to be added to hysteria, if anything it RUINS the scheme.

Ill say something again just incase you missed it:  if worst comes to worse, waste 10 goes. Then SD comes and its problem solved.

For that reason alone, your theory of making a no darksiding rule falls flat, because ITS NOT NEEDED!

I hear u say it isnt needed, well as I said b4; thats your OPINION. as I have mine, and others have theirs. It can easily be solved with a rule that darksiding isnt allowed for a far amount of rounds at a time, u must show some willingness 2 attack at least, once in a while. And I know its not BnG, but it was just 2 make a point. In all kinds of sports and games, willingness 2 attack should be awarded. If not this will be the lamest scheme ever played in this game.. I find it boring 2 SKIP or w/e 10 times in a row. its so retarded that it should be necessary in the first place.. THis is gladly not the case in most hyst games, as people share my views on how 2 play it, and wants attack more then hide at a bottom cave 10 minutes.

Uber,
The reason you think like this or anybody else gets pissed off in Hysteria, is that you are leading in the game and that makes your expectations high. We can't tell hysteria result till the end of the game. Having more health or more worms in hysteria doesn't mean an advantage.

For example, if in shopper you kill one of your opponents worm and you become 4 to 3. Your opponent can pile all his 3 worms on your 4 and each turn you have to attack your own worm. Now because you have plopped one of this worms, you might think this sucks and ask for rules not to 'pile on worms'.

Less worms, more health?

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on December 16, 2009, 05:12 AM
Uber,
The reason you think like this or anybody else gets pissed off in Hysteria, is that you are leading in the game and that makes your expectations high. We can't tell hysteria result till the end of the game. Having more health or more worms in hysteria doesn't mean an advantage.

For example, if in shopper you kill one of your opponents worm and you become 4 to 3. Your opponent can pile all his 3 worms on your 4 and each turn you have to attack your own worm. Now because you have plopped one of this worms, you might think this sucks and ask for rules not to 'pile on worms'.

U disappoint me with this "easy" way of thinking, lol. Im well aware off that worm advantage can be good in worms, and that goes for all schemes. U still dont plop 2-3 of your worms at the start in hyst or w/e 2 get it no? The whole meaning by this is 2 make the game more fun 2 play/watch. If he has worm advantage, then fine, use it. But dont hide down at the caverns like a shithead. If I hadnt gone after him, as I did, and insted played just as lame, Hide both my worms in a little hole in the mid of the map f.ex. What a parody of a game it would be?? U wanna reward players that do so, fine, be my guest. The thing that I find strange is u dont see my point. lol. And that "ask for rules not to pile worms" was just 2 stupid 2 comment. I dont see how u can even mention that in the same sentence as this post..

Uber, when debating you need to learn to make factual points based on evidence, rather than emotionally charged scrawls of bias trash.

Ill go through some of the things you've said, again.

You said in responce to MI:

Quote from: Uber on December 16, 2009, 02:20 PM
U disappoint me with this "easy" way of thinking,

Eh? You disapoint me with your "easy" way of thinking, look at what you say:

Quote from: Uber on December 16, 2009, 02:20 PM
But dont hide down at the caverns like a shithead.

You see saying things like this based on the emotions of a certain game you have played, displays the characteristics of a very single minded individual.

Quote from: Uber on December 16, 2009, 02:20 PM
What a parody of a game it would be?? U wanna reward players that do so, fine, be my guest.

Eh? Come again?

The scheme does not reward you for doing so, the PLAYER may or may not reward you for doing so.

As you said yourself:

Quote from: Uber on December 16, 2009, 02:20 PM
If I hadnt gone after him, as I did, and insted played just as lame, Hide both my worms in a little hole in the mid of the map f.ex. What a parody of a game it would be??

If you'd hid in a hole, then he would have taken the high ground and then YOU would be in the worser position. I think you need to be reminded that hiding is not "being lame". You had no complaints up until he was down to his last worm with under 30 health, OF COURSE HE ISNT GOING TO HIDE ON THE TOP OF THE MAP WERE HE CAN BE SHOT AND KILLED AND LOOSE THE GAME!

This isnt a funner, this is a league game of which BOTH of you are TRYING TO WIN.

I could use your pathetic "being lame" argument in other schemes, but I have the higher intellect to know not to. I could say "HEY YOUR LAME"  if you were constantly blocking my last worm in a T17. Sure I could have a bannana bomb to kill your last worm, but then again I might not. What would be (as you say) "more fun to play/watch"? You blocking me, or risking the fact that I might not have a bannana bomb all in the name of making the game "more fun to play or watch".  

Of course it would be "more fun to play/watch" if you didnt block me and risked me not having a bannana bomb, but you wouldnt do that would you, no, why? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO WIN.

So by the same token how can you criticise him for hiding where he cannot be hit in hysteria, when its a LEAGUE  game that both of you WANT TO WIN.

WINNING A GAME RELYS ON MORE THAN JUST ATTACKING, YOU KNOW THAT.

Your argument is this "stop darksiding me". This is the same as the argument for limitied girders in T17, "stop blocking me", i.e. it isnt an argument at all, its an irellevant, inappropriate STATEMENT that is yelled by SIMPLE MINDED people who instead of thinking of other strategies in order to win the game, would rather shout "LAME LAMERRRR U SOO LAME THIS SCHEME SUCKS". < Your own words from this game.

Your other argument is this, "game is more fun to play/watch when you try to attack more".

This just plain STUPID. Its not "more fun" if I am loosing, for me to FURTHER INCREASE MY CHANCES OF LOOSING. Its more fun for me to MAXIMISE MY CHANCES OF WINNING. Why can you not see that?

All hysteria players know that the game REALLY starts when its down to the last worms. This is where the hiding, following, predicting and trapping begins, this is where the "hysteria" begins.

The reason ive been more forceful in this post is because I find it kinda LAME, that you should tell people to "respect" others opinions, and then call Monkeys post stupid when he is just adding his say, be it useful to you or not.

I could go through so many more of the points you have made and contradcit you on every one of them. Your argument isnt  just pathetic, its non existant.

This isnt a matter of opinion, this is a matter of me being right, and you being completely and utterly wrong.

:/

I see u done ur homework on this one. Long did u use on it? Im glad u are such an debate force as u show here Nail.
My statement 2 MI was kinda "simple minded" but that was cause his example treated me like a 10 y old. U could clearly see the sarcasm in his example, if not, ur the simple minded one.

As for this scheme, ok then i clearly need 2 deal with and learn these "pro" tactics then. As u see here, alot of players agree with me in this being a scheme thats clearly debatable, as u can see of all posts here.

U have some good points, but many of em goes for that "wanting 2 win" stuff. There's a difference between wanting 2 win so bad, and lose with ur flag high. Im obviously not saying this goes for all, but in all schemes u find methods of beeing cheap, some choose it, some dont. Its a reason ppl are being called "cheap" and some arent, or what? And the difference between cheap/smart(wanting this win sooooooo bad)  is vv little. Then again, this is just a 10 y old computer game, and I dont wanna be "unpopular" in this community, so I'll rest my case here (already got 2 smites,rofl). But u can ask any1 that plays with/vs me alot about me, i doubt "single minded", "lame" or any of those words u mentioned are one that u'll hear about me..

Quote from: Uber on December 16, 2009, 11:21 PM
As for this scheme, ok then i clearly need 2 deal with and learn these "pro" tactics then. As u see here, alot of players agree with me in this being a scheme thats clearly debatable, as u can see of all posts here.

lol who agrees with you? Only Ray and Dub said that they dont really like the scheme, I havent seen a post agreeing with your "no darksiding rule".

More so than other schemes, hysteria  comes down to the very last worm in order determine who looses and who wins.

Most of the game is usually spent on the last worm.

You should know Uber, as a good T17 player, that its not over til its over.

Just as you wouldnt criticise a player of being "lame" for blocking and hiding his 1hp worm in a T17, why should you for a player who is blocking and hiding his 1hp worm in hysteria?

You should be able to see that this is not "being lame", nor is it "loosing with your flag down", this is fighting until the very end (sustainably) in order to secure a win.

If you'd rather not put up a fight for the sake of making the game "more fun to play or watch", then thats good for you, I admire your willingness to increase your chances of loosing simply to entertain your fellow wormer, hats off to you.

Watch this game Uber 14026, its an example of how simple and ENJOYABLE it is to bring on SD when you have an advantage. Watch the ending and you'll see how to avoid any darksiding problem.

And then tell me that the ending of that match wasnt fun and enjoyable, or how I "won with my flag down".

Anyway I hear you Uber, I cant really say any more to convince you to think otherwise, unfortunately.

eya nail, word

Quote from: beer on December 15, 2009, 04:35 PM
where are the skills of bloking alwys in t17?there are no skills also but u have to do that to change ur side, or to make ur opponent move or do something that u want, or to just wast time to get bettr weapond!but there are no skill using that, lol but u have to do it, its a strategi, its lamme? yea?no? of course not..
yea he has to be fast with mouse and make sure that he doesnt plop his worm lol. but  the skills are when u made something that make ur opunent move his darkside, making showing up. here are the skill, not stay on top waiting for good wind to kill him, as he is waitng for good wind to kill u, if both play like that, yea boring hysteria.
dnt take me wrong dude, we played hysteria and i guess it wasted that bored for u, ur it was (if u can remeber that)?
im just trying to show u that if u play diferent hysteria can be funny and skilled scheme

So much to read here.

I have 1 question.

When you take ur turn on hysteria it doesn't effect the sd clock? So if 10 turns are wasted you are going to see waterrise? I dont think this is the case, lets reduce sd time?