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Game #241593, reported by Sensei, Viewed 1298 Time(s)

Default #30, Allround #29
Singles
April 02, 2024, 01:24 PM
Winner
Sensei
Croatia HCP alCo
Average 1510 in BnG before the game. Gained 25|14 points more
Loser
Peja
Germany TdC od bui
Absolute Beginner 865 in BnG before the game. Lost 14|14 points more
  

Game Rate
Not rated yet
Players history
5 - 0
12 - 2
6 - 0
13 - 2
Information Game scheme: BnG
Scheme pick: Both pick (Like a 3rd game)
Watch The Game Replay(s):
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Game Map(s)

Mirrored BnG #18 by XanKriegor, Sensei
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Game Chat(s)
[Sensei`hcp] i don't measure anything m8.. playing everything by the feel, that's why this game still feels fresh haha :) why you ask?
[Sensei`hcp] see, you can't fail that much by measuring anything!!
[Sensei`hcp] :)
[PejaxTdC] when u saz stuff like 99 percent power
[Sensei`hcp] ah no, it's just the feel. I know how much till full power.. And probably said 90 or 95%
[Sensei`hcp] i wouldnn't say 99 :)
[PejaxTdC] so there arent like measurrements in 100 i just cant see_
[Sensei`hcp] apparently there are but i never was interested in finding out and learning that stuff.. Game would become way too boring. Don't you agree
[Sensei`hcp] Tbh, even if I wanted to learn... I'm 32 yrs old.. Don't give a fk anymore, too lazy for that :)
[Sensei`hcp] fulfilled with lasagnas.. barely breathing here.. bng is the only thing i can do atm
[PejaxTdC] sounds good
[PejaxTdC] n1
[Sensei`hcp] ty
[Sensei`hcp] got 1 more hour of this setup and then back to work on other side of country :( no more wa
[Sensei`hcp] what you do for a living pej?
[PejaxTdC] selling second hand furniture
[Sensei`hcp] bussines going good?
[Sensei`hcp] got a store or black market?
[PejaxTdC] work for some non profit church thing xd
[Sensei`hcp] haha, you and church.. That's a connection i wouldn't think of!
[PejaxTdC] didnt know gird had sucha kimit haha
[PejaxTdC] well its some companz stuff
[PejaxTdC] i dont go to chruch or anzthing
[Sensei`hcp] weird girder placement, i must tell you
[PejaxTdC] 3 more turns and im there xd
[Sensei`hcp] hahaha
[PejaxTdC] oh no that pixel is no dirt xd
[Sensei`hcp] that pixel is something i'll probably hit 3-4 times so be happy about it
[PejaxTdC] t
[Sensei`hcp] !!
[Sensei`hcp] ns
[PejaxTdC] t
[PejaxTdC] n
[Sensei`hcp] ty
[Sensei`hcp] that was pure feel for example.. 1-2 notches away from 90 degree angle.. and fuse was around 80% i'd say.
[Sensei`hcp] just going with the flow haha
[Sensei`hcp] that's why I can hardly repeat any of the shots... It only happens at the end of the aerial match when you need to throw 4s full power nades.. So it's good to remember the angle
[PejaxTdC] nt!
[Sensei`hcp] hoooly shit, did you see that?
[Sensei`hcp] thx.. would have been unbelievable haha
[PejaxTdC] that would have been a slam dunk haha
[Sensei`hcp] !
[Sensei`hcp] nice hide
[Sensei`hcp] knew i needed to pull out girder
[Sensei`hcp] uh!
[Sensei`hcp] phew
[Sensei`hcp] awesome.
[PejaxTdC] wow xd
[Sensei`hcp] :(
[Sensei`hcp] gg

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Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2024, 05:22 AM »
He said he isn't "measuring anything", he is.

He said it's "pure feel", it's not.

The way he writes implies he doesn't measure anything at all. Which isn't true, and this is something he has been saying for a while now not just this thread.

And him lying it's not just this thread either it's the one where he accused rocket of being lame etc as well.

As I said he may also be confabulating. I don't care who anyone is or how powerful they are, I do not tolerate lies like this, intentional or not.

There is context here you have missed.

Also. I'm not chasing him. I watch many games and comment on many things, he just says a lot of controversial things some of which aren't even true and since its BnG. My favourite scheme, damn right I'm going to defend it. I don't want people thinking you can get good without measuring the game in some way or another.

This is important.

Offline MonkeyIsland

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2024, 06:17 AM »
But you didn't defend BnG in this thread. None of the community members have a problem with the phrase "pure feel" or "I don't measure". We all know what it means. You took a simple casual term and analyzed its words literally to prove there's no such thing as "pure feel". Now you have proof that Sensei lied. We didn't buy it though but you made yourself happy with that discovery.
Due to massive misunderstandings: MonkeyIsland refers to an island not a monkey. I would be a monkey, if my name was IslandMonkey meaning a monkey who is or lives on an island. MonkeyIsland is an island which is related to monkeys. Also there's been a legend around saying MonkeyIsland is a game. So please, think of me as an island or a game.

Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2024, 08:07 AM »
I disagree, IMMENSELY! This is one time where you don't have all the information or have followed everything I have followed, I'll gladly show you it all if you have time though.

Maybe you don't think I'm defending BnG, but assure you I am.

I've been giving players 1on1 training sessions recently for BnG and this stuff goes into that, how players think, aim, measure etc...

Sensei has limits and restrictions, because of the way he talks about BnG, and he's quite an influential person with a sizeable Discord server.

You don't speak for the entire world when it comes to this subject, and neither do I. Though I believe in teaching people the truth and how they can achieve greatness by applying simple truths and beliefs.

Sensei is acting how I and others used to act, being elitist about BnG. Insulting people for throwing good shots because they don't live up to his standards of "feel" or "fancy shots".

He's accused myself and other of being notchers and even said he doesnt regard how I play BnG as real BnG, hes literally said that within the last year... Even though his terminology is wrong because everyone is a notcher which I even explained on the podcast and even Deadcode got it immediately lol.

He insults other players and disrespects them with his comments in games and on forums and I do not tolerate any of this. And even though you don't know the history or why this is relevant, it is and I will ALWAYS write the truth when I see people lying about BnG and this game in general.

Think of it this way...

Sensei literally says "I don't measure anything", and whether it's just lazy writing or a genuine delusional belief that he isn't measuring anything that's fine, he can believe that if he wants and if he's happy that's all good... It IS literally a lie though, the combination of words he used in the order he used them versus the reality of the universe and what we can achieve by realising exactly what we're doing, how we're doing it, and sharing those techniques with other people so they can get just as good if not better so we can all push each other to get better and better.

Though I want people to know the truth, of all the different ways people ACTUALLY measure EVERYTHING, so that they have the option of playing the game at a more advanced level than Sensei ever could because of his own restrictions and elitist attitude.

1 last thing... Just because I said he is a liar about this doesn't mean he is a pathological liar about everything, or even means he is a bad person.

As I said in the other thread about Aerial, my intention is never to annoy Sensei or insult him. I use the term liar literally, I'm trying to help him and everyone else be better. I actually enjoy watching him play and playing with him, help him if he ever asks for help. Reply to him when he asks me questions and treat him like I do anyone else with respect and honesty. Compliment him on good shots. Even featured him in the competitive showcase 🤣

Offline XanKriegor

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2024, 09:49 AM »
For me "to measure" is to compare something with something as constant and reliable as a millimeter notches of a ruler. I did not measure any zook, nade or dart in WA, always did it "by feel". So to me Sensei did not say anything wrong or false whatsoever.

Online Godmax

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2024, 10:17 AM »
In bow and arrow I always used a 30cm ruler

Offline Triad

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2024, 11:38 AM »
If Sensei were to say "I don't calculate my shots", yeah, it would sound like as if he makes his shots completely blind.

For me "to measure" is to compare something with something as constant and reliable as a millimeter notches of a ruler. I did not measure any zook, nade or dart in WA, always did it "by feel". So to me Sensei did not say anything wrong or false whatsoever.
I also agree with this definition. For me, "to measure" is to consciously use reliable markers that you more or less know will give a certain result. "Relying on feel" means using your experience half-consciously or unconsciously to get a good result.

For example, when I start playing on a Darts map after a long time, I use my "gut feeling" first. Obviously, my "feel" is better than someone who does not play Darts; more experience in a scheme results in having a better feeling for a scheme. Once I start to understand what kind of shots give me the results I'm looking for, I try to find reliable markers (attaching the rope to a certain place, length of rope, amount of power, etc.) to make it repeatable. So, in a way, I first use my gut feeling, then I continue with conscious measurements.


I don't really understand why you're so stubborn over semantics, Komo. And it's not like your own statements are semantically perfect. You call it a lie, but a lie by definition is "an intentionally false statement". You can call Sensei's statement a falsehood, a misconception, or a misinterpretation, but not a lie. No one would be bothered if you politely pointed out that it is not correct to say that he doesn't use measurements, and explained why it could be potentially bad to use the phrase "gut feeling" (for example, you could have thought it could be potentially bad because newbies might interpret gut feeling as inherent ability, rather than being able to use experience unconsciously). Rather, you just say "stop lying" in bold letters lol. It comes off very hostile, even if that was not your intention. If you truly intend to help the community, kindly use a more cooperative language.



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Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2024, 11:52 AM »
In bow and arrow I always used a 30cm ruler

f*cking lies, there is no such a thing gut feel with 30 cm ruler in BnA, you do notches and sprites with the bow and measure everything, we all do.

Offline Sbaffo

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2024, 11:54 AM »

Offline Triad

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2024, 11:56 AM »



Online Godmax

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2024, 01:37 PM »

Offline TheKomodo

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2024, 02:16 PM »
The definition of measure fits exactly what I've described, while at the same time also fits what Xan said.

You can measure things with your eyes and other parts of your body,  you memorise and use objects and patterns on the map that are repeatedly used in BnG/WA over and over, this is very simple to understand. This is also tied to whatever resolution you use.

You also measure with game audio when firing weapons at the same time as visual, it's an audio measurement as well as a visual measurement as well as a timed measurement.

Saying "I don't measure anything" is a lie, whether intentional, unintentional, or confabulation.

I know Sensei isn't a "counter", he actually has a lot of respect from me, that isn't what this is about though.

Did you even read my posts in their entirety? And saw the recent history of stuff Sensei has been lying/confabulating about?

Did you see him accuse Rocket of being lame, "the worst thing I've seen all day" when literally less than 2 hours prior to that statement  he did the same thing! 🤣



Online Godmax

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2024, 02:20 PM »
You can measure things with your eyes and other parts of your body,...
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Offline Triad

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2024, 02:34 PM »
Saying "I don't measure anything" is a lie, whether intentional, unintentional, or confabulation.
Like I said, an unintenional lie is an oxymoron.

Did you even read my posts in their entirety? And saw the recent history of stuff Sensei has been lying/confabulating about?

Did you see him accuse Rocket of being lame, "the worst thing I've seen all day" when literally less than 2 hours prior to that statement  he did the same thing! 🤣
I think we all know Sensei is not an angel lol, but bringing that up is just Ad Hominem, or even Red Herring since you introduce irrelevant information to divert attention away from the main issue or argument.



Online Sensei

Re: Game #241593, reported by Sensei
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2024, 02:49 PM »
You're overexaggerating something that happened 2-3 months ago. Something that happened between Rocket and myself and it was forgotten hour later. Not then, nor now it was any of your bussines, but you tend to make everything that happens in community as your bussines. As MI said earlier - this doesn't look good on you.

Also, never thought Rocket is a guy that needs someone to watch over him and fight his "battles". By prolonging this nonsense, you're making him look weak as well. I don't think he wants you to do it anymore. Did you ever thought of asking him? Try that.