Yes you are right, I did not explained in detail.

When I'm at the game lobby or at WormNet trough the game directly, I have the colors a bit messed. But when I go to the game, it usually get's good (or if not, I just need to minimize and restore in the firsts seconds of the game).

I generated the map randomly, then I went to map editor to check if there would be any grid (to remove it, because it can give easily triple or more kills for the first person to move). When I was at the editor, dunno why, colors got very worst and I hardly see what I was clicking. Somehow I could advance for the game, hoping that in the game the colors get well (like I said above). That's why when the game started and I saw that map, I told Joschi that I was getting a color bug. That's when he said me that it wasn't a color bug...

But this all happened due the the color bug of windows 7, that's why my very shorted explanation in the previous post  

Alright.
To have a real discussion is necessary to have an open mind and flexibility.
Not worth wasting time when a person decides to be against just because of stubbornness and pride.

Waiting for SD, in NNNL scheme, is a part of the strategy and the game become interesting because the opponent of the player who wants to wait for SD is not interested that he can achieve this, than they will put the strategy in practice for it. And, with respect for you TT but, the "this pisses me off" argument is not the best one 
 
But, since the majority of the people who posted here, the majority of the people who will play the cup (and that people, you know, are the top and best players in this style, so the ones who has the stronger and better knowledge from the style) seemed to prefer the NNN luckness scheme, why not NNNl scheme be the default and only if 2 players agree with it, playing with TNL?

Me too btw 

I still not to understand why you think that 1hp SD reduction is a lucky based thing. If both players know that it will happen and (an experienced player) can estimate when it will happen, their game should be planned for that fact. I think that the 1hp SD reduction, most of the times, should and can be very clever planned and needs very good know-how of the game in tactics and strategy issues.

So, an issue (1hp SD reduction) that adds more emotion and tactics to the game, is much, but very much more than a "lucky" aspect.

I think that the better analogy is a ladder that at the end there is a playoff (based in the places of the ladder). If the PO don't exists, it can be all decided very soon and than everything is bored until the end. With the PO, there will be interest until the end, but who has the better ladder places, start the PO with the advantage. Like in 1hp SD reduction.

Quote from: Ivo on May 26, 2010, 04:24 PM

It makes part of the essence of intermediate style/mode the SD 1 hp! It's really never be separated. 1 hp SD, sometimes give an extra emotion and interest that (without it) fast can become too boring. Even more, the strategy of the round (with or without 1hp SD) can be totally different - less strategy without 1 hp reduction.

So, no luck with 1 hp reduction in SD. An experience player should know where SD is iminent and prepare his game and strategy for that reallity. Sometimes only SD can save a very stupid and unfair start position for example.

You can call TNL scheme what you want but, without 1 hp reduction at SD, is not intermediate for sure!

Putting clusters under worms on slopes is part of the essence of intermediate! Without possibility to kill a worm with one cluster that fast can become too boring. Even more, the strategy of the round can be totally different - players will have to avoid such a lame hides.

So, no disbalance with 3* clusters. An experience player should know that the death on a slope is iminent and prepare his game and strategy for that reallity.

You can call NNNL scheme what you want but, without 3* clusters, is not intermediate for sure!

I don't like oranges because I have few coats.

BTW, you are all invited to join NNN 32th intermediate tourney - with 1 hp reduction at SD - next Sunday at 15h GMT. You can find more infos at www.normalnonoobs.org. Please leave your sign up message in our forum - there is a link to it in the above site.

Cheers intermediate lovers