Quote from: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 10:45 PM
There was a 3rd party program, which enabled you to fire rope again even if the spacebar was already activated, which is why the 2 spacebar method became popular in the first place.

There was also something I heard about, if someone can clarify this...  A script that you can press spacebar even before the rope has connected properly.

Those 2 things, are the cheats/scripts that manipulate the game engine and make things possible that shouldn't be possible.

The rest, are things you can actually do just by being good physically in various ways.

That's what I'm talking about too. Thanks for clarifying. By the way, what was the name of that program / script?

Quote from: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 10:45 PM
Well, it's not AS fast with raw speed, but, it's as fast due to the game engine and limits, if you know what I mean?

You can tap 10 times but the game will pickup maybe 6 of those taps because the delay between connections.

True. When I tried to tell those people with suspicious fast taps something like that, they told me that I was lying and the WA has no delay between taps. Now we know that were a lies and pathetic excuses.

Quote from: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 10:45 PM
That software is NohBoard, it's a program that enables you to show your key display/input as an overlay on your stream so players can see which buttons you press and the timing etc.

Cool, thanks. It's useful thing for streaming WA.

EDIT: Btw I asked about firm software for one reason. I suspect that many of these programs can also bypass the limitations of the WA engine. Therefore comparing these programs with wkremapkeys is pointless.

Quote from: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 09:48 PM
No... I can tap as fast as scripts, without scripts lol.

There are multiple methods to achieve this:

Two handed taps
Fingerrolling
Mouse wheel set as spacebar

You can't do this with wkremap, because this module strictly blocks pressing the second spacebar key. I've tried this many times. I can also press keys quickly, and yeah, with both hands as well.  But no matter how fast I pressed the keys, I couldn't achieve faster tapping than with a single spacebar. So are you gonna use the firm software for this, right?

P. S. Please answer the question in the previous post about software under "EDIT" mark.

Quote from: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 09:14 PM
Wrong, you can do it easily with 1 spacebar with this keyboard:

Hmm, I don't really believe that all persons that I've seen was using exactly this keyboard with rapid trigger.  What about an other keyboards? And I wouldn't call it as unnatural fast tapping. Although it looks interesting, maybe I'll watch the whole video later.

Quote from: TheKomodo on March 10, 2024, 09:14 PM
In the video I was doing it with 2 buttons actually, but, I found it's actually easier for me using just spacebar with 0.1mm actuation point and 0.1mm rapid trigger.

Yeah, that's it. Using two spaces should not be different in tapping speed compared to one space. I know some people who look suspiciously fast while tapping rather to justify themselves this way: "I use 2 spaces, you don't see the difference between a fingerroll and cheats". Now we can admit that is delirious fairytale for losers. So any unnaturally fast tapping is a cheat / script / macro / speedhack.

EDIT:

Btw, Komodo, what the software was it?

Quote from: Sensei on March 09, 2024, 11:34 PM
Triad and flash - I don't have proof. Although, it's a known fact that freestylers use scripts and don't even try to hide it. Can't respect the rope skill they show, but I personally respect the honesty behind it. Most of them admitted using forbidden macro to rope the way they rope, after I asked.

Can you explain in detail, which macro / script is forbidden? I'm kinda new on tus, you know. I have seen some people using something that helps them to make their rope unnaturally super-fast. I'm not blind and I see that this is cheating, but I would like to know more on this issue.

Quote from: TheWalrus on March 09, 2024, 11:51 PM
I think the burden of proof should be to prove he's cheating, not to prove he's not, Sen. It doesn't feel right to slander him anyways because he's not around, I shouldn't have opened my mouth up in the first place.  Going to depart this thread.

Right words, man.

Quote from: Triad on March 10, 2024, 10:09 AM
I recall he only used two space keys for roping (which is something Sbaffo also admit doing openly, so I don't think it can be considered cheating).

There's a delicate point: it's impossible to use two space keys without a script / macros AFAIK. I mean, of course you can set 2 spaces, but then you gonna get some troubles with roping. I've tried this many times via wkremapkeys and even ahk. I've tried this on several keyboards. In both cases I noticed some missing clicks. As a result I was falling so often for no reason, as if the second button just didn't work properly when pressed. I suppose that sometimes I could press the one of two keys out of timing, because I'm not so skilled fingerroller. But I've never reached such extreme tapping speed. It cannot be faster than the game allows, even with 2 keys. Therefore I conclude that unnatural fast tapping is some kind of cheat, maybe a special script, macro or speedhack. If anyone knows more about this, please answer, it's interesting.

Quote from: TheWalrus on March 09, 2024, 06:33 PM
im taking about the guy egy or whatever, i remember roping with him and his keyboard would spazz out like it was on drugs sometimes and do completely unrealistic tapping things.  Didnt watch the full video, I just remember his roping, im not smart enough to know what would produce such a thing.  I just know with the eye test when i see stuff that isnt possible.

EDIT: just watched the video, its pretty good, dunno if he stopped using his macro/program thing cause the roping doesn't look very unrealistic as komo said

Too bad I don't have my game replays going that far back, im sure i could show you some of the weird roping things i seen this egy guy do

I'm talking about him too. I didn't get which things you label as "unrealistic": anything from this video or from old replays where you've played with him? I'd like to see the timecodes or something.

Quote from: Sensei on March 09, 2024, 06:41 AM
Since when community talks in superlatives about guys using cheats for roping?

What cheats was he using? Do you have any proofs or just a guess? Just interesting, because I only see superfast shadows, which cannot be performed consistent and reliably way without macro / special script.

Quote from: TheWalrus on March 09, 2024, 07:22 AM
roping looked a little wack but wasn't gonna say anything about it

Any wack moments? Please post it with timecodes. I'm not going to argue or defend anyone, I'm just interested in seeing wack moments that I don't see (except superfast shadows as I said above).

Quote from: Triad on March 05, 2024, 06:18 PM
e3gy was one of the best Turkish freestyle ropers, his name still comes up among Turkish ropers today

Ow, nice video, he is very skilled freestyler for sure. I like his WxW maps so much! Especially this butterfly map is a pure art.

Quote from: Triad on February 26, 2024, 10:28 PM
Good job, flashR! You finally beat my run.

By the way, for pinball x5, only 5 bounce is enough, you don't have to do 10.

Thanks! I knew it, but as I could see, everyone did 10 and I thought that probably I understood something wrong and should do 10 too

I have to confess that map is really interesting, all the tricks are quite difficult and any trick potentially can ruin your run.

Quote from: Triad on February 26, 2024, 01:27 PM
As you can see in the frame-by-frame analysis, your rope is not attached to the cyan part of the crane, but to the part highlighted in red (as you can see in the crane image in the middle).

Ow, you're very observant I didn't notice this mistake during the run.

There is a sad story about last 2 tricks that got me mad...  I have come when timer was 590 and spent 14 minutes for last 2 tricks lol what a shame.

Quote from: Danger135 on February 25, 2024, 07:24 PM
Is any difference between MEXI and ARCH? I do not see any.

Arch performs over pillar, mexi - over another obstacle.

Thanks for this challenge, nice map! These pinball, mexi and double dragon knocked me out of tempo

166 is the best result, 180-200 average
https://imgur.com/a/Qnd8OCh

Quote from: Lupastic on February 03, 2024, 05:21 PM
actually we can consider ourselves lucky that in WA there are no real hardcore asian players, like chinese/korean ones, cuz they would learn and master the mechanics of this game so professionally I doubt any of us would win vs them too often =D

Isn't CN-Wynn a chinese player?

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