Exactly, which is why we have w2roper :p

"I agree that it would be nice to have a roper scheme that doesn't let the game engine dictate even a single turn, so only 100% skill is involved, but what would that look like?  Would it even be fun?  Does w2rope really achieve that goal?  Isn't it still possible for one player to get extremely lucky with a crate next to him every turn of the game?  To me that still looks like the game engine dictating turns of the game."

check out the thread avi made a few days ago... it has a replay of him and I playing w2roper... he also wrote down the crate stats... he got like 10 impossible crates as opposed to mine 5 or something, and the game was still very close because avi used some tactics... watch the replay or something :p

"you could just go w2w every turn so that way every turn is treated equal.  would this really be fun?"

The roper scheme now is more closely related to what you described there than anything... In roper, you fetch crates, use a mine, and hide in the same hiding spots all game... really monotonous. 

The replay avi posted, we are all over the map doing tactics.. it is really interesting

Beer, you accuse us of saying the poll was shit when the no's were leading, yet you had no problem back then accepting that almost all of the no's came from people who never gave the scheme a glance... now that we showed a lot of those people the scheme and they changed their vote, you bitch?  You say we are bullshitting the poll? The poll was already bullshitted but you were fine with it because that time it was in your favor.

i don't think there is more room for debate... we've gone out and showed the public the scheme, and as you can see in the poll, they find it league worthy, just how like hysteria was voted in.

franz, even if people need to keep their cool and composure when getting a hard crate, why should they accept a scheme that allows the game engine dictate even a single turn in the game?

And I know you guys bring up the argument that t17, shoppa, whatever is luck too, I agree with you and I hope we can find some way to make them less luck filled! But right now, we actually found an alternate to roper that the majority likes.

beer, I was forced to play roper because WA hadn't evolved and I didnt have a better idea until avi showed me w2roper... roper has always been my most hated scheme, not including wxw

Game wasn't a 2v2 tus, misreport

Avi and I have been hosting the scheme like crazy in ag and introducing the scheme to many people... we got a lot of people to change their votes after playing... that's the reason why we are winning the poll right now