Quote from: Memox on September 24, 2021, 03:05 PM

What about all the times Windows' Magnifying Glass has been used in competitive, official games? Or the team order of the opponent was extracted from a previous replay? Or when a ruler has been used for the shotgun and other throws? Or pen and paper has been used to keep track of what the enemy has used? One may argue a few of those aren't exactly cheating per se, but at the end of the day, none of us are innocent. There's no need to escalate this, nor for finger pointing, especially since this has nothing to do with the OP.

Who discovered this feature (Magnifying Glass) and told me about it was Dario. If he uses it in competitive games, I don't know. Unlike others, I don't accuse without proof.

I used wkWormOrder and said publicly because I don't think it's a cheater and there was no rule prohibiting the use. If someone thinks I broke a rule, I might have broken it, but it wasn't intentional. If I wanted to cheat, why would I say I was using it? Does not make sense.

Yeah that was just an example, far be it from me to denounce Dario, of all people, on this. I thought he was clear in saying that sometimes he uses it, but maybe I'm misremembering the competitive side of it. It's not like he needs it anyway, so... Anyway, my point stated two posts ago subsists. It's a complex matter, to put it shortly. But more specifically, what you did with wkWormOrder was more of a fault from the dev side since that was easily fixable by displaying a message when one is using it. Although, I didn't read all the thread. Did you use it for your team only? If that's so, that's absolutely not cheating. Did you use it for the enemy team too? That's debatable. If the enemy was using the same team as replays circulating on TUS, in my book that's not cheating either since it was a public information anyway. But if he made a new team exactly to avoid being busted from the very beginning, and you used that tool? Yeah, that's cheating. But who am I to really say for sure.

Quote from: Albus on September 24, 2021, 10:16 AM

Quote from: Chicken23 on September 24, 2021, 10:08 AM

But being able to zoom in to take care around pixels in games would give the user of the module a much greater advantage than those who don't know about the module, and we shouldn't be encouraging everyone to get modules to play the game on an equal playing field, we should be discouraging modules that give users advantages over others and we should be mastering the original options this game gives us inherently.

The module only has to send a message notifying that the person is using it. It's up to the other player to also use or refuse to play with the other person.

It shouldn't even get to that, it should be banned from league schemes because of the advantage it can give a player to win a game verse those not used it. If both players agree it still shouldn't be allowed because its like allow both players to cheat. That shouldn't make it legal.

All these modules you are advocating for are to help you win games outside of the defined official programming of the game. Therefore it's a cheat.

Pretty much this, but with a certain twist I want to mention. I whole heartedly advocate what Albus is saying because I find this very useful - as well as a mean to better understand certain techniques - however... There's a fair chunk of skill in official games involving mine hats and such, and a module would be detrimental in that regard since you're overwhelmingly simplifying the mechanic, that's undeniable. I'm 120% ok with it being implemented for funners and I actually encourage it just like Albus suggested (i.e. with a module akin to /arrows which notifies the players of it being used) BUT not on clanners, cups, leagues, etc. And at this point, we should address the pink elephant in the room. Windows' Magnifying Glass exists and it has been confirmed to be used by professionals too (i.e. Albus and Dario for example, although I bet none of them constantly rely upon it) - and that means that a way to achieve that, already exists to begin with. So it's not a matter of cheating or not anymore. You may disagree with the thing being officialized and popularized, but you can't stop the idea behind it, which is already "implemented" anyway, albeit in a primitive yet 90% of times effective way. So, ironically, not making this module would greatly benefit those who use the Magnifying Glass at the expense of those who don't know about it, yet, making it public would be a fair ground to everyone but at the cost of noobifying the game. Again, funners-wise that's a non-issue, however, it shouldn't even exist in official games... It's a complex topic and no matter how the devs will move about this - even if they choose to not choose - they're still making a bad decision if one thinks about it thoroughly and analytically.

Thanks for the kind words guys 

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Happy birthday and you fight like a dairy farmer.

Finally, a wkKawooshKick appreciation board 

Clans and communities' admins can request for a board since they will be moderator of those boards. Since Komo has not agreed to it yet, I'm gonna wait for your final decision.

You can not request a board for a clan you're not a part of. (ob in this case)

Got it. Upon further private discussions, we've come to the conclusion that we have a few alternatives that will do the trick for what I had in mind anyway. So, db will most likely stay out of this (final word goes to Komito and Korydex but I think they'll agree). I don't know about ob, that's their choice, of course.

Do you want to have a board in TUS forum?

If you want a board for you clan or community, Or if you have any specific idea, post here.

Is it possible to have two new child boards for Clans? One named 'db' (my clan) and one named 'ob' (another active clan that doesn't have a board). It would make scheduling games much easier / public. Discord is ok but sometimes we need reminders. Thanks.

It's time to get into miniature painting, I guess. I'll update the thread in case I'll get around that 

Quote from: Memox on July 24, 2021, 04:39 PM

Eh, I'm not sure about that. An old rig is probably better for this game, he's doing the right thing imo. Personally, now that I have a bomb of a PC, I miss the old one I had simply because Worms is the only game that microstutters for me - and that ruins a lot of matches. I talked with StepS about it but there's nothing we can do about it, no matter the settings I try. So yeah, there's that...

I don't think I've ever talked to you regarding this problem, and I'm not able to find any log. Besides, you have a thread where there were a bunch of suggestions at the bottom to which you have not reacted yet. I would suggest trying them first (as well as wkAntiLag).
There are a lot more different possibilities and possible tweaks out there and I'm sure you have not tried even half of them yet.

It was a long time ago, maybe on Discord or Steam? Can't remember. I'll try the wormkit modules though, since those are the only things I haven't tried at this point. (Oh and yeah, I can assure you I tried way, way more than half of the tweaks  )