[KH-Trunks] this scheme is better imo
[Lukz``TaG] what is different?
[Lukz``TaG] xD
[KH-Trunks] 1st always go zook
[KH-Trunks] 2nd can mine and nade
[KH-Trunks] xD
[Lukz``TaG] and?
[Lukz``TaG] what more? XD
[KH-Trunks] not sure

HP is 210 at start which gives the 2nd player a better chance for a draw. The purpose is that players start from the same line. With tus scheme the 1st player needs to fail or the 2nd player has no chance (which is possible because of crate luck but still).

Lukz, top placement meta (as 2nd player) may not be the best tactic here xD

The 2nd replay is a good example of how this rule works. The first turns were about equally hard because Lukz had to use bazooka while Kaleu could use a mine.

210 HP didn't help here because Lukz was able to do 45 with bazooka and 50 + 48 with mines, leaving 46 HP to Kaleu on the last turn. Kaleu couldn't have made a draw anyway because he didn't do full damage each turn.

Funny last turns 12:13-> xD

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Semifinals

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Final

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Let's fix Roper

The bazooka 1st rule (or mine/nade delay) originates from W2 Roper (no CBA) and I think it's stupid to have it in WA Roper. WA Roper is played with CBA rule so bazooka 1st gives an advantage to the player who starts 1st and makes the 1st turns more luck based than the following turns.

The 1st player gets usually easier bazooka turn because he starts from the top and hides at the bottom. Roper is played on harder maps these days so the 2nd player is very dependent on crate luck on his 1st turn. I would rather give the 1st player an easy 1st attack (with mine/nade) than leave the 2nd player completely dependent on crate luck.

For those who don't believe in the advantage bazooka 1st gives:

Spoiler! View

Bazooka turn success (successful attack - shot through wall / little damage to own worm too - fail)

dibz
Start 1st : 70% - 18% - 12% (50 games)
Start 2nd: 30% - 28% - 42% (50 games)

ZiPpO
Start 1st : 60% - 18% - 22% (50 games)
Start 2nd: 20% - 12% - 68% (50 games)

Lukz
Start 1st : 44% - 24% - 32% (50 games)
Start 2nd: 26% - 22% - 52% (50 games)

daiNa
Start 1st : 42% - 30% - 28% (50 games)
Start 2nd: 36% - 22% - 42% (50 games)

Combined
Start 1st : 54% - 23% - 24% (200 games)
Start 2nd: 28% - 21% - 51% (200 games)

Games where the opponent failed to hide or where the 2nd player started on top were excluded.

If you start 2nd and tele on top, you give the 1st player an easy zooka attack while your chance is only like 60-70% (if you are dibz or ZiPpO).

That's not all W2 Roper has more powerful bazooka (4 stars instead of 3) and I think it should be introduced in WA Roper for the following reasons:

- 'bazooka 1st' remains a thing as players are encouraged to go for a ~49 dmg bazooka shot instead of a mine/nade
- it discourages hiding on top because bazooka attack is easy on top
- easy crate turns become harder because players should try knock+bazooka instead of just dropping a mine. The better roper should be able to use bazooka more often.

Bazooka attacks depend on crate luck and wind too but overall I think the scheme would be more balanced this way.

Before: 1st player makes 44 dmg with bazooka while the 2nd player may not be able to attack at all
After: 1st player makes 49 dmg with bazooka while the 2nd player may have to resort to mine/nade

you'd think that you can't fail that last shot..

Roper at best

smo...choked

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17:26:06 Senator: hi
17:26:16 pbc`Asbest`LR: ho
17:26:18 pbc`Asbest`LR: hi, man
17:26:22 pbc`Asbest`LR: i want to ask you
17:26:28 Senator: me tus
17:26:33 pbc`Asbest`LR: there is avoiding rule on tus, but it doesn't working
17:26:34 pbc`Asbest`LR: right?
17:26:54 pbc`Asbest`LR: as far as i know, that post by franz was working earlier
17:27:00 Senator: it is working
17:27:07 pbc`Asbest`LR: you sure about it?
17:27:11 Senator: yes
17:27:19 pbc`Asbest`LR: and MonkeyIsland say the same?
17:27:22 Senator: yes
17:27:35 pbc`Asbest`LR: alright then, i will not ask in chat anymore
17:27:40 Senator: let's tus now
17:28:09 pbc`Asbest`LR: i wrote that copy paste before i made clear than this avoiding rule is working
17:28:45 Senator: let's tus?
17:30:28 pbc`Asbest`LR: you asking me tus? no thanks. because im playing only with newcomers now

Can I report a free win?