Quote from: j0hny on April 19, 2016, 09:44 AM
BTW: You can remove both of the game, the game is invalid. https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-208065/

Why do u want this game to be deleted? You won it.

Yeah the game dropped and it was far from over. Nature1 has made so many false reports recently that it's safe to delete the game. WxW was his pick though so he could request a RM.

MI could move this thread to the right board.

Quote from: TheWalrus on April 18, 2016, 10:46 PM

Quote from: Senator on April 18, 2016, 10:36 PM
For example, someone may have played just BnG and even won one game but he is still total noob in other schemes.

sen i see what you did there, no need to troll me

I would just like to fix the problem that u can get too many free points (~40 per scheme) from noobs. For example some people got good points from those South Africans when they started playing tus (they played against each others so they won some games too). Imo the point difference is not big enough if I get +70 for beating dibz in WxW and someone gets +40 for beating a noob (who has 1000 points but is actually a 800 points player). That's why I suggested lower base points (+20/-20) for beating a guy with few games. The system shouldn't give or take full points until a player's skill level is known.

What if we have like 2 newcomers losing their all games? Will they run out of opponents if they don't play against each other? It's rare that someone plays against several opponents and loses his all games, though. Maybe it can happen if we have like two iMacG5's

The three-way ties messed our schedule :p

Still waiting for these rematches

spleen17 vs BoolC
spleen17 vs mae

WhiteRqbbit vs z0rk
Kradie vs z0rk

I'll proceed the groups as soon as the tie breaks are done. No one will advance from group 1 if u haven't played more games by then.

Attach the 2nd replay where u or he dropped again :p

@MI

Ah u meant 5 games in total in your first post, not 5 games against each newcomer.

It needs to be complicated to cover all situations xd

For example, someone may have played just BnG and even won one game but he is still total noob in other schemes.

The game is void. He didn't report the BnG loss against u so he seem to know that the loser doesn't report anything. The other games _might_ be just wrong replays so need to check them out.

Quote from: Komito on April 18, 2016, 08:51 AM

Quote from: Senator on April 18, 2016, 08:35 AM
A game limit makes it harder for new players to get games under their belt. For a returning pro it would be hard to qualify for PO.

I totally understand the concern about them not having enough people to play though, so maybe you could allow returning players to request their restrictions to be lifted after reaching a certain amount of games/points.

Could be actually automatic, like this way:

If a player has played 50 games or less overall, his seasonal game limit is 5 games per player. Once he has played 50 games overall, his game limit is normal 15 games per player. The new player would need to play at least 9 more opponents during his 1st season before he could play against the 1st noob-basher again. After 50 games it should be less rewarding to bash him more.

Combine that with lower base points for the first 10 games or so in each scheme and the noob-bashing days are gone

Agreed with raulsa. This is an awful map for Shopper (sorry Kaleu!). When do people understand that Shopper is not about roping? In a map like this u can't even make any moves with the weapons, let alone pile worms. Boring as raulsa said.

This new guy raulsa reminds of biscuits btw

Is it better to limit the number of games against new players or reward noob-bashing with less points? A game limit makes it harder for new players to get games under their belt. For a returning pro it would be hard to qualify for PO.

Could the base (standard) point be +20/-20 instead of +40/-40 when your opponent has played a scheme less than X number of games? For the new player the base points would still be +40/-40 so he could reach his actual rating level quickly.

Quote from: Komito on April 18, 2016, 07:13 AM
Also, there are people who are still considered noobs even after being registered to TuS for many years...

That's irrelevant though if the system checks the number of played games as MI said. Or u mean some people are considered noobs even after playing dozens of games? In that case their overall rating is low and u don't get many points for bashing them..

Quote from: Kaleu on April 18, 2016, 07:18 AM
5 mins ago from #ag

pbc`Asbest`LR> Lukz, I said to sbaffo and mae will repeat to you. When i will get my form back, we will play

That's avoiding and it's not allowed according to the rules. Just post a complaint with appropriate proofs (screen shot/chat logs) and you can report a free win.

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/TEL-playoffs/?s=25

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Quarterfinals

Almog (1) vs NiCo` (8)
reN`s (4) vs MaStEr (5)

Spoon_head (3) vs style (6)
vesuvio (2) vs WhiteRqbbit (7)

Semifinals

Almog (1) vs reN`s (4)
vesuvio (2) vs style (6)

Final

Almog (1) vs vesuvio (2)

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Final deadline: Wednesday 2016-06-22 (14 days)

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Use this thread to arrange your games. Let us know if you can't play before the deadline. No response by the deadline = disqualification.

Semifinals

Bry4N (5) vs Senator (8)
sock (6) vs Lukz (7)

Semifinals deadline: Sunday 2016-05-01

Quote from: Triad on April 16, 2016, 11:10 PM
I have an idea, dunno if it's good. You see, noob bashing isn't the really problem. Playing mostly against easier opponents and avoiding some good players occasionally is the real problem. So problem here is avoiding and there's an easy idea I can propose: The anti-avoid rule.

It's simple. Let's say you asked a guy for TUS. He came up with a lame excuse like "Oh hombre, I gotta feed my goats." You say "Alright I'll leave snooper on, pm me when you're ready for some TUS." If he plays with someone else while you're still on channel, open a complaint topic in forum with proofs provided. Punishment could be voiding games he won by avoiding you or being have to arrange for a league game with complaint owner.

Quote from: franz on July 04, 2012, 09:38 PM
Avoiding rule:
If someone is avoiding, you must save screen shots as proof and post them in a complaint thread.  Mods will discuss and if they agree, you can report a free win and that gives the avoider one week of time to play that game.  In the case of a clan avoiding, only the players online at the time of the avoid can play.

Quote from: WTF-8 on April 16, 2016, 11:33 AM
I'd say TUS admins/mods should be slightly stricter in general and especially with people like Asbest. He noobash his way into leagues, he spams #AG, he insulted many people in PM, he could never lose a game without shooting insults at the opponent, he was caught cheating many times... is it necessary to continue the list?
The question is: why does he get fame and top spots instead of a lifetime ban from everywhere?

1) Noob-bashing is not against the rules. Phanton did the same thing for years but I don't remember a thread like this. It's ok as long as the new guy knows he is playing a tus game.
2) #AG channel/PM spam/insult is not really tus league's business, is it?
3) He hasn't been reported insulting (during tus games) after he got unbanned. Insulting in games is not allowed by the rules. He hasn't got caught cheating either.

Some people here just seem to have an obsession with him and they monitor his each step. What if u just left him alone?

Quote from: WhiteRqbbit on April 16, 2016, 01:58 PM
You can´t just ban a player because he is noob-bashing when there is no rule / indication in the rules against it what so ever. The only rule maybe in this direction is the limitied amount of games per seoson vs one player.

I personally think it is difficult to implement rules / systems against noob-bashing. But at least we can try to get some ideas here.

Imo you should gain/lose less points against new players (until their overall rating has settled). Now u can lose tons of points against a returning pro like danceman or get easy points from a noob whose actual level is way below 1000 points.