Quote from: HHC on May 24, 2012, 02:16 PM
I like to hear what people's opinion is on these numbers.
It sure raises a lot of interesting points:
1) is there a future for the classic schemes?
2) why do schemes like wxw and shopper tend to fail when chosen as TRL schemes? Why did normal never get the place it deserves based on popularity?
3) is TUS noob-unfriendly? or do noobs simply abandon their fav schemes after getting in touch with more 'skillful'-ones?
4) there are a lot of noobs on wormnet who do not play for TUS, could something be done to get them here? Like a shopper-only league? Or would that fail?
5) does the same problem exist in other games? As in, modes played for fun being entirely different from those played for leagues?
6) I disagreed with Ropa when he said new players aren't nearly as skilled as the old generation. But yeah, it could be very true for the classic schemes.. which aren't played nearly as much anymore and thus naturally skill level drops and the amount of top players decreases by the day.
Can we do something to get more players involved or are these schemes just doomed to die out?
7) Viewing the cups that are being held right now.. it's pretty much scheme-madness there. Pretty much all are experimental schemes or free league ones. It's pretty sad that Ray has to host elite tourneys to still get people to play it and keep the spirit 'alive'. TEL is dead and Elite it seems... very close to.. 
So yeah people, opinions!
1) Yes, because of TUS I started to play a lot of non rope games, too. Automatically I improve in more schemes. If you never play serious you'll get bored, because you won't improve enough and you can't test if your brain works good enough to win vs. pros if you really concentrate. Games with many tactic works good for serious games (and yes, not so good for funners, because u can't relax as much as in easy and funny schemes). To play more than only 2 or 3 / ur favourite schemes keeps WA alive.
2) Statistics always lie

But maybe because they are a bit overplayed and include too much luck to play them in TRL, where is only one scheme. Shoppergames have to be played failfree to have a chance to win because of skill. That1 who did 1 fail more loses the most times. But if both played failfree, that1 who had 1 turn more (so a whole attack more) wins almost every failfree game (Yes, I know there are very less games without fails which changed the game). But like I always said: Luck alone never decides a game, so the main problem is that the famous schemes r just overplayed + they r much more fun in funners.
3) TUS isn't noobfriendly enough. When u r new here u r overstrained .. too many informations at 1 time and u don't know where to look to get the right information how the system works. There should be a little overview for noobs, like first steps how the system works: 1) Ask ,,tus any1?" in #AG, 2) There will be 2 games, first game is ur pick, second game the opponents pick. 3) Only the winner reports all replays to his victory of pick 1 or/and pick 2. Upload here (url). Then a Text: For more detailed information click here. (Nobody wanna read and search for hours to get that 3 main points.)
4) Not only noobs do not play TUS. There r also many highly-skilled people who just hate LAMERS who let TUS look so bad. TUS looks like that to them: 1) TUS kills the fun because the most people only play for the victory there and don't care to have a good game with risky tries and freestyling. 2) Too much arguing and angry noobs/angry kids/haters who love to make a stressful and bad atmosphere. If the haters/dumb people can't enrage noobs they r not satisfied and try other things like faking and cheating. --- A shopperleague would be nice, especially with more skilled shopper variations like surf-, fly-, AttackFromAir- and the skill Trippleshopper, but like I alrdy said it won't help much, because it is so overplayed (and the variations too unknown ^^) + the main probleme there are people like Chelsea who noobbash the newbies 15-0. Things like that should be forbidden. Someone who just loses like 20 games in a row and more would give up sooner or later.
5) The only other game I play is Motocross Madness 2 and there are only games for fun and to relax right now. A long time ago it was better, because there was a recorder which could record ur best lap and post it on a community site. The fungames (Stunttagging) didnt work for that. But for Stunttagging where tourneys years ago. At that recording and tourney days there were so much more activity. U just need serious games sometimes, new things and special events, too, to keep a game alive.
6) Yeah, use the KTL rule: Kill the LAMERS ^^. Like I said if u always lose and there r no close and interesting games and people who think it is the most important thing to win as fast as possible instead of trying to have a good game where both can have fun, many people think theres no sense to play games wheres no or too less fun.
7) And I think many people understand that the fun is the most important thing. More fun = more activity. For the most people it is the easiest way to have fast fun when they just play a funny shopper to relax. What do you prefer? Fast fun and relax or highly complicated things where u have to think a lot and where u have to have a good concentration to solve difficult problems? I like to think and I like to use my brain so I started to play many more schemes than just my favourites ones. To keep improving is always an important process in ur live. But: If you don't have enough fun and too less positiv situations in ur memory u don't want to do it again. You can't learn when there r lamers who kill the fun. To improve the activity: Be friendly, help noobs instead of kicking and insulting them and show why the scheme ,,XYZ" is FUN, too. To let ur opponent absolutely no chance kills the fun, makes a game boring and after some of that lame games the loser won't play this scheme until he finds a friendly and helpful wise guy, who know that a noob could be the pro of ,,tomorrow" if u let him have FUN while learning and improving!
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