Kinslayer will probably announce it here soon but I'll be adding money to the prize pool aswell. 60 euros, but dont know how to split it yet. Bitcoins preferred.

Kins, just donate my 5$ to MI. If possible to choose colour... white!

MI for president!

Rumors say he went to 1.92 meters

Super skill scheme

Quote from: HHC on July 01, 2017, 01:16 PM
Now you can give me arguments why these schemes are fundamentally broken.

I already gave a perfect example, but you didn't bother to answer.

Quote from: HHC on July 01, 2017, 11:25 AM
I don't need no arguments, I am the POTUS!

I know U dont play leagues but some of us actually take it somewhat serious.

Im not a huge fan of IMO style of without providing any arguments.. It's kinda Komo

Quote from: Sensei on June 30, 2017, 11:11 PM
one that was developed throughout last 1-2 years of playing it constantly

This. This is what evolves things.

Quote from: HHC on June 30, 2017, 07:29 PM
A free homing missile goes against the scheme's intentions. The idea is to collect random weaps in crates and fight the enemy with it. Add a homing missile and it will only encourage no-brain pro's to sit the entire game out on their side of the map. Without the missile players with no SD-crates will be forced to go on attack. No incentive anymore to do so if it's there.

The fun in worms is adapting to situations that you do not control. That's the challenge that makes it interesting.

So lets say I play "better" start and middle-game than you and I collect more crates and control more dropzones and we have even amount of worms/hp, ok? So I collect more crates than you overall but I can't beat you because you lucked out and got couple of SD weps meanwhile I got 0, even though I've played better than you. Get it? It's RIDICILOUS and most importantly it is totally UNNECESSARY.

Also, how would missile go against scheme's intentions? Saying things like this are cringy assumptions and acting like no scheme has evolved over the times. Roping for example was developed by the community. Best things in WA have been developed by community. It's a normal step to evolve the schemes.

Also, how adding a homing missile would encourage sitting in the corner? It depends totally on the situation what one is smart to do. The point of adding homing missile is to make the scheme more balanced, less luck-based. See the example above. I do agree with you that the spice of T17 is the unpredictability of crates and working with what you got but can you give me a solid reason why adding a homing would destroy the scheme? No, sitting on the corner example wont work because it totally depends on the situation.

Also, I would also like to add into discussion "Intermediate" - score every round? I don't see why not (we dont support Double or Nothing anyways)  and it's kinda meh in worst case scenario to play 3 rounds just to get score of 1 game.

Quote from: TheMadCharles on May 04, 2017, 06:23 PM
20 years... fake

Worms 2 anyone? Or they don't belong to this community?

Yeah breaking down deep Hysteria tactics, yay! All I'm saying is that with a bit of tweaking the scheme would be BETTER but yeah lets not do it because the scheme is currently stands as a tactical masterpiece.

And Komo, seriously, if your best arguments come from a dictionary then just... dont start man. You do understand that even though a prodrace could be competitive also, it doesn't make it a f@#!ing masterpiece of a scheme now does it?

Talking about how easy it is to prevent side zookas with petrols? Umm no it isn't easy and it depends on the map also. One of the easiest ways to counter petrols is to make a blowtorch hole to the side hide you are using so if a petrol hits, you only get hit for few hp's and get pushed to safety.

IF you get a top position on map and force SD it really ain't over yet. One could miss on a critical spot because there are always some hides left on the map. One could teleport to top with +50hp worm with a good timing so even if you hit, you are still in danger yourself.

In a nutshell, I'm not saying that scrap the scheme but make it better because it's totally possible! Why the f@#! would we drive some shitty car when we could drive a Ferrari?

Team17 can be improved by HUGE leaps if we give it a good try. I'm all for roofless, which seems to be what Wally means with open roof map also. It solves so many problems while still making sure that the player who has deeper tactical eye actually gets a reward for all the hard work he has put into developing it, instead getting handicapped by unnecessary scheme rule/mechanic.

Anywho it seems like too big of a chance for the community so my 2nd suggestion was to make current T17 scheme better, add the homing so you are not on mercy of cr8luck alone, it makes the scheme more skilled because you have more options to attack/defense. Select worm might work, but just 1, definately not two. Also +1 from here to limit girders, 7 is usually too much to push through.

I'm not angry, I'm passionate.

Yeah, I'm over the top.

Who are the people behind making these scheme and rule decisions by the way?

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Intermediate - bo1 rule is good but in bo3/bo5 why not score every round? I don't see any reason why not, works in ONL.

Also, I can't believe there's nothing done with hysteria. Just watch top hysteria players games, just watch them, the proof is in the pudding. You don't see nothing but plop and side zooka tactics from the start nowadays. It's probably the most broken scheme and it doesn't even get into discussion?

Yeah, a lot of thought must have been put into it I can tell.

Funny how my suggestion didn't make the list.

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