You were referring to how I was implying that TUS doesn't make changes, which was already wrong. I was only saying TUS doesn't do much when it comes to balancing the schemes as we are talking in hysteria thread.

You also missed the point of my message, I didn't say you don't have enough knowledge about Hysteria (I mean cmon, its not that hard scheme to "get", that's why I threw out my 1-2 week challenge") but the discussion was about how hard it is to make a scheme more balanced in TUS and how you should play more, and in the top level so you actually see how the top players feel about certain things in certain schemes.

Incase you don't see it, I AM doing something, I'm trying to prove with my challenge that Hysteria as it is, doesn't belong to Classic league. I'm just f@#!ing tired of all this talking and nothing happening when it comes to Hysteria, I mean c'mon, the "vote" to add hysteria was from 08 with 14-11 with very little discussion, a BIG add to list of classic schemes that have been around forever.

Quote from: darKz on February 10, 2013, 05:56 PM

Quote from: Free on February 10, 2013, 05:23 PM
Also, could someone grab the threads/poll where Hysteria was voted as default league scheme? I don't remember coming across anything like this and was like what the f@#! when I saw it added.

I found the thread for clan league playoffs season 1 (Jan '09) where SPW quoted the rules and Hysteria was already mentioned in them. I'm not sure if there was a poll or something earlier, I really can't remember either.

Edit: I found the thread. A stunning 14 people voted for it with 11 against it. Guess that's all it took.

Just wow. This was definately really well thought out and planned scheme-add to a list of classical schemes which have been around almost ever since the game was made. Like I said, like pre-ejaculating with a hottie that you finally got a chance with.

Quote from: DarkOne on February 10, 2013, 06:21 PM
Change difficult in TUS? Are you kidding me? Just because you're not getting your way here? Do you have any idea what MI's been adding and changing to TUS because the community wants it?

I don't think I've seen any league where this many changes have happened because of the community's wishes, for good or for bad.

No its not just because I'm not getting my way around here. I'm not the only one who thinks like this when it comes to balancing schemes, you should play more and get in touch what pisses people off in top competitive level of gaming on some schemes.

And no, I haven't seen that many changes considering balancing schemes around TUS, which this thread is all about. I have major respect for MI, so you can stop with the attitude.

Quote from: Peja on February 10, 2013, 05:43 PM
i hate elite beeing played without allowing ropeknocks, which causes players taking absurd  hides where they would be punished in any other scheme.  i challenge free, if MI agreees, gimme 1-2 weeks and we play 10 games, if I get over 40% winning ratio, Elite gets modified, I think it's fair enough argument that the scheme is flawed.

Funny one Pejinho, but I actually agree that elite should have ropeknocks. And I am not the most beast (consistent) elite player around anymore anyways so you should challenge Crashito, Mablak or Random.. perhaps I'd add franz to that list also.

The whole challenge thing came to my mind after Komito over-dramatised that darkz cant hang with top hysteria players even if he practised it full-time for a month. Talking about changing Hysteria has led NOWHERE in these years, I just want to show that how f@#!ing boring and lame the scheme is when its being played most effective way possible, which still would be a major luckfest.

Theres many very oldschoolers who know a good scheme fast when they see one, and from what I gather most of the very oldschool dont agree that Hysteria belongs to a default league as it is.

Wow, let's keep more off-topic coming. I got your idea, you probably didn't get mine. My argument for someone dominating is because most of competitive players just can't be arsed to use the boring, but effective tactics needed in hysteria. That holds true especially on my part. But if the challenge takes on, I can work on my patience to hopefully make something happen. Why the f@#! is change so hard in TUS? Also, could someone grab the threads/poll where Hysteria was voted as default league scheme? I don't remember coming across anything like this and was like what the f@#! when I saw it added.

Could I please get the MI approval for the challenge, in my opinion it would prove enough. We've had enough threads of Hysteria already, yet, nothing has changed even though there is great opposition also. Enough talk, more action.

Good job Bonhert! Admiring your attitude!

I'm not a native speaker and my writing skills ain't the best in here anyways. Any volunteers?

More down angle on the patsy and gg. :/

cFc had the best tactic to come out and win, pick schemes with most luck factor to have a chance to win (wxw is questionable as the map was hard enough imo) and this time it worked. Honestly it was a well planned out tactic and cFc deserves a big applaud of ending dt's championship streak.

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Quote from: DarkOne on February 09, 2013, 08:51 PM
Free, repeat after me: "TUS anyone? I will only play if you don't pick hysteria."
Agree before the game, though. Probably best to do it in the game lobby, so then at least you have a log to show for.

Idem.

Doesn't work when you can force opponent to play hysteria in PO.

It's not about avoiding the scheme, it's about realizing how stupid the scheme currently is.

There's no point talking to me?

I threw out an challenge, you say Casso is a hyst beast, if MI agreees, gimme 1-2 weeks and we play 10 games, if I get over 40% winning ratio, Hyst gets modified, I think it's fair enough argument that the scheme is flawed, then let's have replays of those games and see how "fantastico and exciting" games those were when I utilize all the effective Hyst tactics I've witnessed.

Quote from: Rogi on February 10, 2013, 04:06 PM
What the hell do you suggest? Replace aerial to hyst ? i hate aerial more than hyst... imo, not hyst, not aerial cant be in league

If you read the actual thread, it says "Ban" but I also dont want the general activity to go down because Hysteria gets totally removed, but I'd want to either ban it totally or tweak it to make a scheme which aint so effin stupid and boring and lame and totally not competitive.

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Quote from: Free on February 10, 2013, 03:08 PM

Quote from: HHC on February 10, 2013, 02:18 PM
So sacrificing 80hp worms is the way to go.

Btw, this works in shopper too, plop your very first worm and you can pile all game. => 90% chance at win.

I'd like to see games where this works in general. 90% is a big number to throw in, but I can see the idea behind it.

https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/game-10476/

You could also reply to the topic in hand instead just this post.

I see no first turn ploppage, there was damage done before any worms were plopped and Phanton missed a crucial attack + kill, otherwise it was pretty even game. Definately no 90%

If it's so big of an advantage to plop ur first worm to get advantage, why dont people do it all the time in shoppas?

Also I'd like to add that hiding smartly (for example on edges when you try to pile, it might leave enough distance to un-pile) also removes some of the piling advantage. I wish I had one rope clanner replay when I was in bOr and we were in bad 2v1 situation with opponent having worm advantage and we hid on edges so when opponent tried to pile, he was forced to fall down and that left us distance to un-pile. We ultimately won the game because of that smart hiding tactic.

Quote from: HHC on February 10, 2013, 02:18 PM
So sacrificing 80hp worms is the way to go.

Btw, this works in shopper too, plop your very first worm and you can pile all game. => 90% chance at win.

I'd like to see games where this works in general. 90% is a big number to throw in, but I can see the idea behind it.

I remember some games where I start to plop my worms in 1st turn cos bad position and so did opponent and then its was just 1v1, didn't bother to side zooking cos would die of boredom but the scheme needs tweaking, its just horrible. I cant believe some of you cant see how broken it is.

@HHC and Chelsea. Dont hate the player, hate the game (scheme).

Same as notching, no need to blame notching players because they use the game engine to most effective way possible. Franz suggested /teststuff to disable notching, but the rule needs to be forced first.

Same as Hysteria seriously needs to be fixed. Huge mistake by adding it way too fast as a default league scheme.

Think how competitively played hysteria looks to the outsiders eyes, would he ever want to play a game where he thinks he would die of boredom?

"Hey eSport crew, check out what we have to offer, a game that we consider to be one of the greatest ever when it comes to gameplay and skill, look at what we play in our competitive league" Then they watch us killing ourselves and 1v1 sidezooking until SD comes and other player hits first.

f@#!ing awesome.

Enough with the off-topic, it's TIME to do something with this.

Darkz doesn't have time, Komito is over-reacting as usual, lame but effective hysteria tactics doesn't take month to learn.

I'm ready to take up the challenge, 1-2 weeks is enough for me. I've seen enough hysteria games to know what's the effective tactics in what kind of starting positions and either start piling with worm advantage while trying and/or take control of the sides and shoot lame ass zooks for 30 minutes unless someone forces SD, then pray for god. Just watch yesterdays PO final hysteria. cFc has his "kaleu" the top hysteria player and the game ends on SD after really f@#!ing boring side zooking war after water was too high and Statik missed the last critical shot.

TOP LEVEL GAMING and it ends like any other lame ass hysteria if you just have the patience to play the "effective" way, which most population doesn't have.