Quote from: ANO on February 12, 2013, 11:49 AM
I was talking also about the poll... I can see only you and Macjieji so motivated, nor other wormers...

What poll?

Quote from: ANO on February 12, 2013, 11:37 AM
Answer me Free, go somewhere! xD 11 pages, let's a conclusion goddamnit

If you just use your eyes you can clearly see that I'm the one waiting for a response to the challenge.

Quote from: Komito on February 12, 2013, 08:27 AM

Quote from: Anubis on February 12, 2013, 04:52 AM
Free! Sign me in on that! I just played my first Clanner in Hyst today, it was literally my 2nd Hyst of all time so I would qualify as a "noob". I'd be interested in playing vs the pros of Hyst. If it's for the good of TUS I will play this abomination a few times 1v1.

Anubis, I think you would actually do well in the challenge, you have a Mablak-like mentality when it comes to dedicating oneself to things like this.

I haven't watched the game yet, but I am sure you won because both you and barman are exceptional BnG players, and very experienced at doing the right thing at the right time.

Quote from: Free on February 12, 2013, 07:19 AM
Why doesn't anyone see the sentences where I suggest that let hysteria have its own league or lets modify the scheme?

Because we don't want to.

What do you want? Only the schemes you are very good at left in Classic?

We have 8 schemes, and I have personally never seen such a fair and balanced League, TuS imo is the best League WA ever had, and probably ever will have, and for me the balance of the Classic League schemes is a reason for that.

Oh so now you speak for the whole majority.

Some of us actually find "fun" and "enjoyment" when competing at something we're very good at, with or without money and want skill factor be more important than luck factor.

Why doesn't anyone see the sentences where I suggest that let hysteria have its own league or lets modify the scheme?

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 11, 2013, 10:00 PM
Free, the thread about Hysteria on TUS is way too old. You shouldn't look at it that way. Those times TUS had other problems like getting community's acceptance/approval. The leagues were so young and we were trying hard to deliver something to satisfy the majority of the community. Hysteria got fit in nicely while Intermediate got us into even more trouble. Some popular comments like "TUS is shit, they allow Intermediate!" or some point of views like this game's chat.

A lot of threads about Hysteria got created since, but in my point of view, most started out of anger of losing. Hysteria is the most played scheme on TUS. Not one of the most, it is THE most played scheme. 17,191 single games as I type this. (followed by Roper 12,235 and TTRR 11,754, check seasons info for full statistics). Removing the most popular scheme from classic league is not that easy, even if you prove that the scheme is flawed.

Personally I don't think Hysteria is flawed. A flaw in a scheme is what makes the skill level lower, or allows noobs to beat pros more often. I fail to see such flaw in Hysteria. Our great Hysteria players (off the top of my head) are Gabriel, Casso, Random00. I don't think a noob could have ANY chance against these players.

I am really tired of engaging into scheme fights. We mostly like to argue theoretically. If someone is up for it and challenge one of top hysteria players and achieve like 40-50% winning percentages against these players, then I think it will open our eyes about how flawed this scheme is and helps us take further actions.

You could always make a separate hysteria league and just remove hysteria from classic. How can't you see this might actually be the best solution to everybody? I still argue that the majority of TUS hysteria players just want to play hysteria.

And finally, after 3 pages of senseless theoretical bullshit you agree on the challenge? I will take up on it, 2 weeks and I will take on any of the top players, play 10 games, if I achieve over 40% you agree to remove it from classic or modify it? Such a simple modification as adding 1 or 2 seconds more time would already make the scheme less flawed and more exciting even if played utilizing most effective tactics.

And yes, an average hysteria player with even little understanding of piling tactics and side dominating is able to beat any top hysteria player. Not most of the time ofc.

Now, who accepts the challenge and we set a date from there for 2 weeks forward.

Also, as a boss of TUS you really shouldn't be "tired" of scheme fights, because that's what the competitive players want, if they think they see a flaw in the scheme that can be balanced, naturally they want it to be more balanced. I don't think that the correct way is to ask for majority opinion on such things (beginners and average players just don't see the flaws as deeply) but smarter way would be the set up an council with top competitive players and they make the decisions as they see fit.

Just wow.

Give them their own hysteria league, I think majority would be more happy with the decision, the beginners and the more serious competitive players also (yes, hello we are here too). Activity wouldn't downgrade.

I really wouldn't want to show a effectively played Hysteria game as promotional purposes to general audience.

I really dont see anything fun when you play the effective hyst tactics.

Statik, you was talking to me or that its perfect for TUS free league?

D1, you obviously didn't get the general message behind my idea, Random00 is one of the best overall players anyway so he doesn't get owned in proper skilled schemes. What I was trying to say that most of people that like hysteria (majority of beginners) would probably be more happy with just Hysteria league without getting owned by good all-rounders, your really f@#!ing the dot here D1. I took a quick look at maverick's played games also, mostly noob bashing.

The challenge is just to show that Hysteria really ain't as competitive scheme as you might think when you just have the patience to play the lame, but effective way. Darkz put it like I would put it, when I get bored enough, I try to go all-in. Dominating sides and keeping the worm advantage is pretty much what effective hysteria tactics boil down to until it goes to 1v1 and the map gets sliced from side zooking and/or sd is forced and here comes the 1-shot win.

I'm done with the talking because this is just like every other Hysteria thread, you want to keep the activity (let them have their own hysteria league) but forget about the opinions of competitive players who take this game seriously and are serious about balancing the schemes.

Also, doesn't anyone get the fact how prematurely this scheme was added as classic scheme?

And no, I won't take up the challenge just to annoy myself unless I will see benefit out of it.

Quote from: Komito on February 11, 2013, 10:14 AM

Quote from: Free on February 11, 2013, 09:34 AM
Won't even bother with Komo, ur just stating ur opinions and feelings, some of us actually here are trying to argue WHY Hysteria doesn't belong to classic scheme as it is. Btw, ur ridicilous by trying to compare how long it would take to master ttrr/elite compared to hysteria for someone who would just start WA. Years of learning compared to a month(s) even for someone who just starts WA for the first time.

Ok, you are trying to argue why it shouldn't be in Classic, where I am arguing why it should, what is the difference? What gives your opinions more value over mine?

What I said about what it takes to become a top player, is a fact, it is not an opinion, Casso etc wouldn't be so good at Hysteria if they hadn't spent years playing WA practising their BnG skills, it took ME years with alot of the time 16 hours a day @ BnG to become as good as I am, it took Mablak years to master TTRR, same with other top players in other schemes...

From someone who has never played WA before, it will take roughly the same time to become a top player for any chosen "speciality" scheme, whether it is Elite or Hysteria.

If you even try to argue against what I just said, I swear i'll probably die laughing...

Edit: Take the test and play against Casso 10 games, I will be surprised if you even win 1, the guy beat me like 8-1 in Hysteria, granted, I didn't play so well, but 8-1 and at the time I was dominating TRL:Hysteria by quite a large margin.

I'm arguing with REASONS, your arguing with just your feelings and opinions.

And yes, I will take the test but only if MI agrees to do something with the scheme, I won't bother with the discomfort otherwise. Learning to BnG and learning Hysteria is totally different thing when it comes to general bng skills, thats why beginners win pros in hysteria. Get some logic in ur head Komo.

"PeJ`AeF..Q`barman: omg im getting horny as f@#! lol"

Won't even bother with Komo, ur just stating ur opinions and feelings, some of us actually here are trying to argue WHY Hysteria doesn't belong to classic scheme as it is. Btw, ur ridicilous by trying to compare how long it would take to master ttrr/elite compared to hysteria for someone who would just start WA. Years of learning compared to a month(s) even for someone who just starts WA for the first time.

Could I just get the f@#!ing approval for the challenge and I'll show you guys how easy its to become "f@#!ing great" in hysteria if you just bother with the lame, boring, but effective tactics Hyst forces you to use.

Quote from: Kaleu on February 11, 2013, 07:36 AM
OMG You guys got really pissed by losing that PO lol take it easy.

"OMG" this aint the 1st hysteria thread, and I made the thread when that hysteria was being played. That game was prime example of how hysteria is flawed and can kill people of boredom, came down to 1 shot after water was too high after side zooking for ridicilous amount of time.

Quote from: pizzasheet on February 11, 2013, 06:32 AM
Free i really disagree with this topic... I play all schemes in Classic league and Hysteria is my favourite, BUT i do not participate in HAL because i dont like aeriel, but if Hysteria was removed the only way i could play a Hysteria League game would be to play in HAL and that would be very stupid participating in a league where i only play 1 of the 2 schemes...

Just leave classic how it is, its working fine and alot of people pick hysteria check the stats! just because you dont like it dont try ruin it for the rest of us. Your being sour get over it.

And if you didnt already know Hysteria was most played scheme for last 13seasons.... its what the people want! https://www.tus-wa.com/leagues/seasons-info/

What does stats have to do with scheme being flawed?

Yes I'm being sour, just take a look at the thread that darkz posted where Hysteria was voted as classic scheme. Half of the posts were flame and even SPW (seems to be considered one of the top hysteria players) agreed it shouldn't be in classic league. It was added way too fast without proper community opinion and discussion.

"Classic is working fine", no it's not, just check the multiple threads we have about schemes in general and about balancing them.

If people dislike Aerial but like Hyst, just give them their hysteria league, It's probably what the majority wants anyway, play their hysterias without getting owned in proper skilled schemes because of both players get to pick 1 scheme.

Most simple solution I can see is that keep HAL, remove hysteria, everybody's happy?