Quote from: Sensei on December 02, 2024, 10:54 AMQuote from: Impossible on November 26, 2024, 10:05 PMI remember the drama with kaleu when it turned out that he had an elaborate cheat that allowed him to shoot rope without waiting for the releassse of the previous click.
Quote from: Kaleu on December 02, 2024, 01:25 AM1. It was never a cheat and never will be. It still require the same amount of skill to play, changes nothing the game physx, it just increase taps speed.
As a spectator and someone that hasn't been involved in Kaleu's AHK story, just wondering.. What are you trying to say here?
Are you telling us that being able to use 2nd rope without letting go of the 1st one isn't a cheat!? Or you're telling us you didn't use such kind of a script?
Yes I used it. And I can name so many people that uses it today just by looking their roping, but for me it doesn't matter, it's not a big deal.
For me it isn't a cheat, it won't make someone go from Zalo to Mablak in terms of roping, it changes nothing but tap speed, the real skills are in the arrows control and game mechanics knowledge, not tap speed.
Quote from: Impossible on December 02, 2024, 07:43 PMQuote from: Kaleu on December 02, 2024, 01:25 AMf@#! you.
i'm sorry kaleu i didn't want to hurt your feelings.
I remembered this in the context of the new keyboards. modern keyboards basically have its own implementation of ahk script you used.
someone above asked if this had been discussed before, and so the drama about the script naturally came up.
now that you've put the question that way though. It's been so many years, why don't you just admit that such script was a cheat? Ofcourse, you were a skilled players and could compete without the cheat just as well, no one doubts that. but faster tap speed is still a very serious advantage over the other players. isn't it naive to argue with that?
I've personally practiced a lot of bad things in this game, I've probably offended a lot of people, used aliases, used macros in first years. I regret doing all of this. I was a dumb child. but I am ready to admit this. why not do the same?
Your message demonstrates a skewed and simplistic view of the situation, and I disagree with it on several levels. First, labeling the script a "cheat" without understanding its context or purpose is disingenuous, to say the least. Many tools, including scripts like the one mentioned, were created to improve gameplay or meet specific needs within the limitations of the game, and this does not automatically equate to unethical behavior.
Secondly, it's unfair and condescending to suggest that someone should "admit" to something just because you've decided to project your own experiences and regrets onto the situation. The fact that you have used macros or practiced behavior that you consider bad does not give you the moral authority to judge others. Each person has their own path and reasons, and not everything is comparable.
Thirdly, the insinuation that the script in question represented "a very serious advantage" disregards important nuances, such as the player's general skill level or the consensus of the community at the time. Before labeling something as "naive" or "cheating", you need to take a closer look at the historical factors involved. I have already adressed my opinion towards that
here.In other words: I was too young to understand what cheating was. Literally no english skills to defend myself. In my conception I was just removing a hardware limitation as I had a very poor condition and a horrible computer even for an old game.
I will admit it's a cheat when the majority of Ukrainians admit Russia is right. Do you think it's fair to agree only because someone says so?
Quote from: TheKomodo on December 02, 2024, 12:09 PMDamn Kaleu goes from 0-FU faster than his autohotkeyscript can fire 2 ropes.
I have a serious question though, because I can't really even remember this...
If it's not a cheat, why was it banned? Are you telling us we're all allowed to use this because it sounds like a massive advantage to me for top tier ropers if they learn to control it right, especially in TTRR.
The problem isn't whether you consider something to be cheating or not.
What matters is whether there's a way to detect it and stop people from using it, because there's no way to rely on common sense for these things.
Banning something that can't be detected only encourages people to seek it out.
And I also think that people are confusing the fact that what was actually banned was the AUTOHOTKEY in general, because a macro that I was using in the match against Random00. Which pressed the T key automatically. Correlating both ocurrences.
About the script for the taps, it didn't really have a conclusion apart from banning autohotkey scripts, but again, there's no way to detect it, so it was allowed again!