Well left it late but ive PMd you Uzur, not seen you on all week tho, last week you were on 8(

ty testing my maps <3

so we agree, I didnt bash previous leagues, only you.

good.

Im willing to stop now, I offer an outstretched hand ===:-

nono

again, when did I bash what "you had"?

I bashed you yeh, I didnt bash previous leagues, I only defended TUS.

*haha you removed your post, u fail hard

Ropa, you say TUS propaganda is people downplaying what we had.

When did I ever do that?

These forums are intresting, or do you only visit to bash people?

komo, why are you carrying on? I didnt retaliate to what you said, I said ok.

I admit I was wrong about ropas activity, but he hasnt been as active as he used to be, especially on TUS.

Oh btw komo, incase you missed it:

Quote from: NAiL on August 11, 2011, 05:05 PM

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 07:20 AMperhaps it's the most feature rich league, but that's not all there is to it.

So tell me what else there is to it... dont make brazen statements without any foundation.

As you said TUS is definitely the most feature rich league there has ever been, that is a good thing. I will admit that people are not as motivated to get PO games done as they used to be, but you cant blame TUS for that. This is an issue with the community at large, I guess people are not as eager to win POs as they used to be, this is noting to do with TUS.  Is this a bad thing? Yes it is, but again this has nothing to do with the design of TUS or the way TUS is run. The mods do a good job of trying their hardest to encourage peoplento get games done at the end of the season.

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 07:20 AMD1, stop making excuses, you're better than that, notice the vocal new school? They're not living in the shoutbox and posting internet images from 2002 because society has evolved into this, it's because quality is not demanded, it's not even recommended.

"Vocal new school"

You are talking about a MINORITY of TUS users who like to spam the shoutbox and post troll threads. I dont like this any more than you do, but again this is not a product of TUS, this is a product of the current community as you stated, so I dont see how this is relevant to the workings of TUS which is what this thread was originally about.

I also dont see how a handful of people spamming the shoutbox is a big deal. Remember when MrE was hacking everyone? Remember when you got hax? Thats a far more serious issue than a few adolescents posting images in the shoutbox, would you not agree?

Also you're guilty of trolling, you are a troll. You are smart and articulate but you lack tact ropa, you have no tact and thats a crying shame. Remember when TUS first started and you were running your mouth all over the place talking shit (check trash can). So you are not one to talk about spam and trolling, as you're as guilty as the rest of them.

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 07:20 AMNail will tell you that this ain't a problem, as you see, he's one of the many examples of someone actually believing the TUS propaganda. The phenom known as being actively new school. What is it, you might ask? Well, TUS shields itself against any kind of progress that isn't populistic and this scheme of working things out is flawed from its conception.

I have already said I dont condone spam and trolling that has plagued TUS as of late, but this is a community issue, not a direct consequence of the workings of the league. This is a MINORITY of users and isnt a reflection of the vast majority of TUS users. So yes this ISNT an issue, not a serious one anyway, and certainly not one that cant be corrected if it did become a serious issue.

"NAiL actually believes the TUS propaganda"

...wtf are you talking about, "propaganda", seriously. List examples of so called "TUS propaganda"... wtf are you talking about? This is a prime example of the nonsense you come out with sometimes.

I dont properly understand your last sentence, but TUS does not shield itself from progress, TUS is the only example of a league where the users can openly criticise and suggest new features... AND THEY WILL BE LISTENED TO! This is wonderful, this is democracy and this makes for a diverse and exciting number of ways to enjoy competitive games.

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 07:20 AMWhy? Because if you're going to be a populistic authority, ideally you'd want the people to be insightful to the topics you're presenting them. But when you do nothing to educate them then I can't help but think things are being done wrong.

If you're talking about the league rules not being clear enough, or the design of TUS being quite maze like then I would agree. But again, this is not a serious issue, this does not affect the vast majority of TUS users. Most people know how the league works and most people who dont know will eventually learn, this isnt a serious issue but there is no harm in making the rules and workings clearer.

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 07:20 AMThe best league WA has ever had? How are you measuring it, Nail? Games played? Well, it's also the league with the most complaints, probably the second league with the most bans. And not to mention other things that you probably can't grasp them being TUS fault, things like, lack of clan competitiveness, lack of motivation for Playoff completion, lack of debate in the forums and basically lack of everything other than playing games.

Yeah thats right, the best league WA has ever had. Three different leagues, cups, challenges, maps, files, tournaments, statistical analysis and comparison of a players performance.. Its also the most active league there has been thus complaints will rise proportionally, thats another irrelevant point. As to bans, how many people are permanently banned. Zero? I remember being banned numerous times from FB and im a nice guy.

The difference between me and you is that I have been actively playing this game since 2005. You stopped playing actively when I started, you havent been a proper part of the community for the last 5 years, I have. You are a spectator, I am a participant. You dont take part in competitive games any more, I do. You are an observer who likes to cast judgement and provoke reaction. You will often raise good points although you also make points that have no foundation and are based more on personal bias rather than actual facts, which is sad.

We agree on the fact that a lack of competitiveness (especially with regards to PO games) is a community issue, it has nothing to do with TUS, it was the same with XTC, its been like this for the last half decade, again, its a community issue and has nothing to do with the design of the league.

Let me make clear, I ACCEPT, that for you, and many other people, the golden age of worming is over. I UNDERSTAND, that back in the day everyone was more competitive and it was quite an achievement to win a season. The thing is, its not 2004, its 2011, things have changed. The community has changed since then, things are more diverse now, priorities are different. Dont confuse community issues with the workings of the league and dont assume its the league that determines the mind state of the community. A douche will be a douche whether he is told not to be or not.

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 07:20 AMNice league indeed, as for its actual value to the community: other leagues have done infintely more

Infinitely more? Thats quite a statement, but can you actually back it up with examples of how other leagues have done "Infinitely more"?
I dont think you can, because its unfounded trash talk.

No other league creator has been as dedicated to their league as MI is. No other league has taken on criticism and suggestions and made them both tangible and functional like TUS has. TUS is standing the test of time and the site is constantly improving, I see no major problems with TUS.

The ORIGINAL POINT of this thread was about people not understanding how the league works, this is not a major issue and it certainly isnt unresolvable. In the years ive been playing TUS ive had a problem with people not understanding how the league works... maybe once or twice, and thats to be expected.

Do you really think thousands of games would be consistently played each month if TUS was doing something seriously wrong?

There was a lot more I brought ropa up on, stuff he hasnt responded to.

Stop butting in, ropa is a big boy and can respond himself, stop ass licking.

Ray, you still havent provided any evidence that this is a problem, only anecdotal evidence!

Ropa, thats complete bullshit.

There are only 2 wormers Ive flamed on this forum, you and komo, thats because you both chat shit at times.

You still havent explained what TUS propaganda is. Even if I were trying to put you down, that wouldnt be an example of propaganda because I am an independent body.

You think TUS propaganda is NAiL... lol. Weak, best you could do?

What you actually said was: "NAiL is actually believing the TUS propaganda".

This means I am believing something I am being told, but then you say I am the source of the propaganda... can you not see how OBVIOUS it is that you're making things up as you go along.

What about Darkone? He owned you, is he responsible for TUS propaganda too?

WHEN DID I ONCE PUT DOWN ANYTHING "YOU HAD"?

All ive done is defend TUS.

Stop lying.

How have other leagues done "infinitely more" for the community?

ok mate

Quote from: ropa on August 11, 2011, 08:00 PM
edit: I will admit I have been a bit disconnected from it all for the last two years whatsoever.

Quote from: Ray on August 12, 2011, 11:27 AM
I did not give you an answer NAiL because all you did was gave a different opinion about what I said. What should I do? The same thing you guys are doing here? I won't do that. The result of our conversation was that everyone could realize that you and me disagree. I will stick to the topic and as I said before, I will think about something, a plan, a solution, something, that - in my opinion - could make the site better.

It's another thing that in my view, I believe that those changes, that will hopefully be executed - will help and change the community. You don't think that, you don't see the need of that change, I do.

Master plan: simplify the website. Now start brainstorming and stop shittalking.

my point was that there is no problem, you are yet to prove there is a problem!

+@ ropa, whats TUS propaganda? (4th time)

Quote from: ropa on August 12, 2011, 11:21 AM

Quote from: NAiL on August 12, 2011, 11:10 AM
You already admit you havent been around for the last 2 years, and you havent been active for the last 5 as you were for the previous 5... thats the truth.

Now about the other bullshit you spouted,

Whats TUS propaganda?

Why are you putting words in my mouth? You first said I haven't been a part of this community for the last 5 years, you then changed your oration and stated I haven't been part of the competitive scene for the last 5 years and now you've changed it again to say I just were more active the first 5 years than the latest 5, in the middle also implying that I wasn't even active in XTC.
If there's one thing we can extract from all you say about me is that you have literally no idea about me.

I will refresh your memory though, or try to. I don't know if you remember than when you started playing you asked me numerous times to test your BR maps and I gladly did. Do you think you would have had the chance to ask me in #ag, meet me, and have me play your BR maps in a time were I wasn't active? Come on now, how else would I end up playing BR with someone who at the time was just a player trying to learn worms?

But even if what you said was right, which it isn't, you still haven't revealed what sort of argumentation you're trying to achieve with such statement, let's say I didn't play worms for the last 10 years, what does that change?

m8... I knew we played some games ages ago, doesnt change the fact that you havent been as active in the competative community in the last 5 years as I have. You've done some testing, cool, played the odd clanner, cool, you havent been a common face in wormnet like for example... Husk or SiD.

I hold a grudge at you for trolling TUS when it started. Ive only flamed 2 people on this forum.

Ill admit, you may have been more active than I thought, although you've still not been near TUS.

but m8... this is one point you raise, you still talk too much bullshit that you cant justify.

you couldnt come back to me on any of the other points I brought you up on (which I hope is because you realise you are wrong).

Its not the things you know about I have a problem with, its the things you assume and things you lie about.

again, what is "TUS propaganda"?

so predictable.

ropa trolls and when he gets owned he posts a "hey im really a nice guy who just wants to help out" thread.

P A T H E T I C what do you take people for.

...and now he's saying please and thankyou...

so obvious.... but whatever, see how long this facade lasts.

You already admit you havent been around for the last 2 years, and you havent been active for the last 5 as you were for the previous 5... thats the truth.

Now about the other bullshit you spouted,

Whats TUS propaganda?

and you were active on XTC?

Quote from: ropa on August 12, 2011, 06:59 AM
What scene? Your scene? You just proved to know nothing about the alpha testing, so maybe it's you who has been disconnected?
In the last 5 years, like I already said, I've been an active part of different clans who all were challenged for championship in the different leagues that have been hosted in these last half decade. Not only that, I was also staff in various leagues, also a part of the PX testing team, been following rubberworm development in #worms as well as keeping up with the happenings of the spanish LW community something that you'll never be able to grasp, language barriers in place.
I haven't been in AG hosting games, but I haven't hosted games since I changed from RDSI to ADSL, so what's your point? That I'm not aware of the new guys in the block, how exactly is that flawing my judgement?

I wrote a long post before correcting you on all of the SHIT TALK that comes out of your mouth, so did Darkone, you couldnt come back to any of it.

I treat people with the same respect they show to ME.

You hijacked this thread. The original point of this thread was people not u understanding rules (which isnt a problem as ive shown, and ray you havent replied to me).

You have not been a part of the competative community for the last 5 years, you said it yourself. With regards to tus all you've done is pop in occasionally to post troll threads. When you get pulled up on the bullshit that you come out with, you dont respond to it, you change the subject and then you stop insulting people and try to act like a nice guy "who just wants to help out".

You're so transparant ropa, anybody with half a brain can see you for what you are.

Quote from: DarkOne on August 11, 2011, 10:10 PM
You know, alpha testers earned their way into the group, one way or another. I don't know which particular alpha testers you're talking about and frankly, I don't care. I don't recognise this description of yours of alpha testers at all.

How exactly do you "earn" your way into that group? By being a good player? By being friends with the guys who can allow you to be a tester? Im sorry but there is no denying there is an elitist section of this community. I wouldnt say something like that if I hadnt had the experiences ive had. Out of everyone you've probably known me for the longest D1, and you know I dont say things without cause to say them. Dont want to go any more off topic with that.