My list:

barman
DarkOne
Deadcode
franz
KRD
Mablak

..and of course: GreeN

Lol Random, you can just edit your post if you mistyped something

They could announce changes on a pinned board, like TUS announcements, so everyone who plays TUS, would be informed.

(are you obsessed with question marks? )

Quote from: zippeurfou on March 05, 2013, 03:25 AM

Quote from: Prankster on March 04, 2013, 11:05 PM

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Yes, if you take the rules by the words it is exactly 0.25 but isn't this league supposed to be for mature people that can sort things by themself and figure out that 0.24, 0.25 in this specific case shows it was a sitter ?

Sure. And who are those mature people? How would those mature people decide consequently, without a clear and precise consensus?

How were you playing bng before there was tus ? How were you playing bng in fb/xtc/wl... ?
Was there much more complaint ? not really. Was people crying because of 0.01 sec ?

I don't know anything about previous leagues, but one thing I doubt is that there were more people than now.
More people have more different points of view, more opinions on the same matter, ergo if you have a rule, it should be precise in case to avoid flamewars.
If there were more people, you can forget about what I said.
Oh, and no, I didn't know this league was for only mature people.

Quote from: zippeurfou on March 05, 2013, 03:25 AM

Quote from: Prankster on March 04, 2013, 11:05 PM
Every single "sitting amount" can happen from 0.02 to 5.00. If you want to keep that rule, you have to draw a line that doesn't depend on someone's subjective opinion.

I didn't complaint because I was the one breaking the rule but let me ask you, as a b2b player that enjoy nice and skilled shot do  you think it is normal ? Isn't bng about skills with bazooka and grenade and wasn't it a damn nice shot ? That's all the paradox about having too much, too strick rules. If you ask me, people should more think about the meaning of the rule than the rule itself.

I said several times that BnG should have less rules, even in this topic.
But if you want to keep a rule, it should be precise.
Btw, in your story, taking the current rules, your opponents were darksiding.

Quote from: zippeurfou on March 05, 2013, 03:25 AM

Quote from: Prankster on March 04, 2013, 11:05 PM
Aren't we wanna get more people into playing W:A and TUS? The more they are, the greater the diversity grows, the more precise rules you'll need.

More rule=more complicated for a new comer.
Don't you think that the actual amount of rules already scare new comers ?

I said several times that BnG should have less rules, even in this topic.
The expression "more precise rules" means "preciser" rules, not more and precise rules, FYI.

I'll have this with bold here, just in case:
I am against this amount of rules. I'm against loose rules too (in an official league).

@Husk: probably never, you know MI.

Quote from: guuuria on March 04, 2013, 07:01 PM
As I promised.. Dennis here is a photo of my dog.

Pussy means cat, not dog.

Quote from: zippeurfou on March 04, 2013, 06:12 PM
How 0.24 or 0.26 really matters ? Are you guys willing to invent a new way to notch so it sit exactly 0.24 ?

You are a little bit of paranoid, aren't ya?

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It is pretty clear that the way MI wrote the rule was to explain roughly that a sitter is a nade that does not move for a small amount of time which could be avoided.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 1/4 second is a very exact period of time AFAIK.

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Yes, if you take the rules by the words it is exactly 0.25 but isn't this league supposed to be for mature people that can sort things by themself and figure out that 0.24, 0.25 in this specific case shows it was a sitter ?

Sure. And who are those mature people? How would those mature people decide consequently, without a clear and precise consensus?

Every single "sitting amount" can happen from 0.02 to 5.00. If you want to keep that rule, you have to draw a line that doesn't depend on someone's subjective opinion.
Aren't we wanna get more people into playing W:A and TUS? The more they are, the greater the diversity grows, the more precise rules you'll need.

Twyrfher has a point, btw.

Quote from: Husk on March 04, 2013, 08:02 AM

Quote from: Free on March 02, 2013, 06:27 PM
"Host cups less talk", what has hosting cups changed in Classic really other than amount of girder in T17, and there was no need for cup for that change, as far as I rememeber.

how else r u going to get people to try ur new scheme then?

u host a cup with ur new scheme idea, ppl like it. maybe 1 season in trl, ppl like it some more. maybe enough players like it enough for it to make changes for bng in classic

You replace it just like that. Sometimes there are logical arguments/changes, while asking the people just end up in pointless, biased flamewars.
And actually, you should host a cup with the current official scheme too, at the same time to be fair. I just doubt 1.: there are enough people who give enough shit to play all of these cups; 2.: it's the best solution. Democracy isn't always the answer. *
If you want to change something like this, just change it, wait for a few months and check how people's attitude develop.


*I mean this is democracy as well, the point is the form. A longitudinal study gives much better image in this case, than a sectional.

Why do I get notifications from this topic? Default should be no notifications, I hate that I must go through the whole damn website (I don't even know where to find that modul) to disable getting them from every new clan and hysteria community.

Sorry for the off...

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on March 02, 2013, 03:48 PM

Quote from: Prankster on March 02, 2013, 02:16 PM
Lol MI, what drug did you take? 1/4 and 0.25 is the same number Also since when is 0.24 rounded 1/4? The opposite is true, but this isn't a reversible function I think it's perfect that 0.25 isn't actually showing up in the frames. You check if the last movement/position change (this needs to be declared) happened until 0.26. If not, then it's not a sitter, because the last movement/position change will last at least until 0.24. No borderline cases.

1/4 and 0.25 are the same. To me 0.25 sounds an exact number while "1/4 second" indicates "about".
0.24 is rounded 0.25, if you look at it 50 frames per second. We're talking W:A world not pure mathematics.
If I have to draw a line, I'd choose 0.24 as sitter line, not 0.26 (0.26 being a bit higher than 1/4)

Technically, everything constructed on a computer is pure mathematics. *
0.25 = 12,5 frames, which you round to 13, not 12, so it would mean 0.26 actually, not 0.24. But anyway, 0.25 or 1/4 is perfect (as a number for this purpose), read my previous post.



*I mean that it can be described with pure mathematics.

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on March 02, 2013, 01:36 PM
The original BnG rule was 1/4 second. I don't know how that got changed to 0.25 seconds? It was not a shot intended to be a sitter, the sitter just happened. 0.24 is a sitter to me. (It's rounded 1/4 second)

Yes the rules need to be changed for this.
Edit: just checked, the rule still states 1/4 seconds. Where did 0.25 come from then?

Lol MI, what drug did you take? 1/4 and 0.25 is the same number Also since when is 0.24 rounded 1/4? The opposite is true, but this isn't a reversible function I think it's perfect that 0.25 isn't actually showing up in the frames. You check if the last movement/position change (this needs to be declared) happened until 0.26. If not, then it's not a sitter, because the last movement/position change will last at least until 0.24. No borderline cases.

Quote from: darKz on March 02, 2013, 11:38 AM
I'm saying the 0.25 sec rule is stupid and should be removed. It's a sitter in my book no matter how I look at it.

Either the whole rule should be removed or keep it as it is and add the definition of a sitter.

Cheers.

Quote from: StepS on March 01, 2013, 10:12 PM
have to split my edits for you...

Quote from: StepS on March 01, 2013, 10:08 PMthose only come from torrent downloads, they would almost never come from a legal purchase.

Just like most of everyone else. It's statistics, I don't think you'd get any significant result if you'd try to compare the people who have original copies to those who pirated the game, as the two groups are not even remotely the same size.

Quote from: StepS on March 01, 2013, 10:08 PM
Prankster you missed this, please read the message again

Quote from: StepS on March 01, 2013, 09:42 PMah well, if you still dont get it: by an uneducated person I mean someone often trolling/bullying/flaming in internet, or having intentions to do so, showing no respect, misbehaving and writing badly and other things, i hope you can describe all of this with one word. sorry for confusion

Sooo, you're technically saying people with low moral have low moral? I can't argue with that, lol.

Quote from: StepS on March 01, 2013, 09:42 PM

Quote from: Prankster on March 01, 2013, 01:12 PMWhat exactly is the question about 11 years old kids? I think the two things are even less connected among children/teenagers since they (mostly) don't even have their own money to buy stuff. Now how does langauge come here? I only mentioned torrent usage.
Anyway, I didn't want to get into a flame war here, but yes, I'm quite sure about that. Maybe it's different in Russia.

lol man, its simple. only an educated person would buy the game, and an uneducated person would just download it, he would never buy something he can download, i don't see anything being complex in this sentence. yes, again, i didn't say that all of such users are like that (would be stupid if I did lol). but still there are, and the main point is that if you compare the percent of uneducated population from both legal and illegal spheres, it'll differ A LOT in the 2nd, to more than 95%. I doubt that, for example, taner and Godmax actually bought their games. if they did, they would most likely be educated then as they would have enough clue what buying a game is, what earning money is, what living a life is, what is good and bad, and this stuff. uneducated persons don't buy games. sorry but i cant explain it further, i thought it was pretty simple

As I said, it can be different in Russia, but in Hungary, education isn't connected with morals/ethics, nay, it's often the other way around. From learning test cheating methods in elementary school to the corrupt Student Union on universities, you may be taught morals in lessons, but in practice it's different.
So no, it's not simple at all from my point of view. I think I'm a person with an exceptional high moral sense, but I myself pirated the game as well. Sense and practice can be different too, by the way... Oh, and I am educated, I went to a good highschool, got admitted to the best hungarian universities. I study psychology at the moment.
Moral has many levels and I don't think pirating a 5 euro game or not tells much about a person.
No offense, but the connections you state here (where did you get that 95% from?) are very much stereotypical and simplified.