Also a lot of people have an account here.

Quote from: ropa on June 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

Quote from: Komito on June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM


Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

many do, it just manifests more often in things other than gaming communities.

I'm not even sure about that. If you think about it, among a gamer community you get almost instant feedback about your development and in many (if not most) cases the difficulty/complexity ratio is lower in computer games than in real life activities, so you get the flow faster and that's essential to get hooked on something. Well of course these are only assumptions (there might be studies about it tho) and offtopic anyway, these arguments are only making the main subject fade away in technicalities, about which almost everyone (and that includes Komo, ropa and avirex) is on the same view: visual aids should not be allowed, am I wrong?

Quote from: TheWalrus on June 11, 2013, 12:11 AM
Side note: Every time I look at your picture, I imagine whatever it is you are on top of is an african elephant because of your 1940ish british expeditionary hat.

Heh, it's actually a morbid wooden sculpture in Zamość, Poland. And a straw hat. But I like your version

BnG is pure artillery, but artillery is not the privilege of BnG.

Also no matter how much those notchers are, because (a): we're talking about the visual aids; (b): one (counter)example is perfectly enough for a need of a rule.
This topic isn't against barman, Peja (despite how much Devilage wanted that). I admire the effort he put into studying distances and notches and whatnot. I, on the other hand, have no idea if he used his aids in league games, but I don't care either. Hey, a preventive rule is even better!

I didn't know visual aids were banned, thought everyone used them who wanted to learn notching.
Anyway, had a long conversation with KRD, and got to the conclusion that it's better to have a rule against them than not. Probably there will still be players who use aids to win some points, but their motivation would hopefully end soon after reachig their goal (playing the system to get points), so they would cause less damage to the game/community than if aids were allowed and legal.

No matter how much you, me, or anyone is against them, in a game like W:A, with perfectly reconstructable situations and pixel perfection, making visual aids is a logical step.
However, it's a good thing to have public opinion against visual aids, but if we outright ban them, without an efficient monitoring system, we will only cause unequal chances, because some people will abide the rule, and some simply just won't and will never be caught.
The webcam streaming you recommend, Mablak, only keeps players from using visual aids in certain games..

I just got to the conclusion that it's not the same, avi.

Quote from: TheWalrus on June 08, 2013, 09:12 PM

Quote from: Prankster on June 08, 2013, 12:28 PM
Everyone uses some kind of visual aid in bng, that's common sense. You have to be able to measure distances to something.

I don't, and I can't assume that everyone else does as well.  It's a game, not going to treat it like a science.

Yes, you do, you won't be able to improve otherwise. Of course it's not necessarily a ruler taped to the screen, but oncounsciously remembering object sizes, your screen size, maybe the buttons, or anything you don't even realize. It's psychology, don't know if you look at that as science, or not..
But okay, you have a point that it's not the same as intentionally playing/practicing with direct tools.

The question is: how do you plan to check if someone's using them? And more importantly, how would you deal with the difference between those who already learned the perfect distances by that way and those who don't? barman used to play in a2b (or a2b tourneys at least), he rocked without notching as well.

I'm just saying this is something that's out (and that was in the game physics since ever - correct me if I'm wrong here) and you can't undo it.

And for the record, I'm not using any tools, stop saying that. I'd be against (direct) visual aids too, if there would be sense in it. But I find equal chances more important, since we're talking about an open league here. I can imagine a closed league tho, where manner and ethics are in focus instead of rules, but that's not TUS.

I don't really think you can call this cheating, barman haven't modified the game engine, nor used any scripts that simulate physical activity (key pressing). Everyone uses some kind of visual aid in bng, that's common sense. You have to be able to measure distances to something. To your screen size for example, map objects and whatnot.. Of course, if TUS would be a professional league, there could be professional events where every player would play on same setups, but it isn't.

It's simply meaningless to ban visual aids, because it's not possible to monitor them.

I myself try to play bng with the least visual aids, because I like to think of that as a more noble way of playing it, but I don't have ambitions in the league. If I had, I'd probably do something similar like barman (and others, of course, he's not the only one). Or maybe not, because I'm a lazy ass..

I have a friend who drives better when drunk. Not to encourage anyone tho

Casso, I think those dates are correct. Komo wasn't cFc in 2009, nor using the nick "Komito". Can't say anything about the other 2 replays, but looks like they're not 06. 04., just saying..

Everey time I open this topic, I see Wally and Michael Shannon..

I don't think that complaint is about elite skills, more like replay saving skills, lol.

I used to listen to The Offspring a lot when I was younger. Original Prankster is a song from one of their albums. It isn't my favourite song, nor am I a prankster (so much) in real life, or anything, I just liked Offspring and this seemed to be good to be used as a nick..

HUNGARIAN!