Quote from: MonkeyIsland on February 03, 2017, 06:08 AM

That meme was the cancer itself, it is the perfect evidence why 2016 was bad.

Quote from: Sensei on February 02, 2017, 10:51 AM
I know we said TFL has too many schemes that ppl dislike, but why limiting it on 8 like classic? Imo, triad, there should be at least 12-13 schemes in it.

Reason I wanted 8 schemes is to make Free as competitive and compact as possible. In a Bo7 4:3 PO game, 7 out of 8 would be played. If you have a lot scheme, you'll stick with your favorite ones and ignore other schemes just like currently on TFL. That's why having 8 schemes might motivate players to master all Free schemes.

Quote from: Sensei on February 02, 2017, 10:51 AM
You removed JPR and Inter for some reason!? :/
Golf is a good fun for example, only con is small amount of maps atm.
Why not add few more competitive and fast paced schemes like drown syndrome and kaos shopper?

Yeah, I didn't add Intermediate because I thought it gets attention it deserves already via ONL and CWT. Beside, Abnormal is pretty similiar and more interesting for newbies. But I wouldn't mind if everyone wanted it in, it's a good scheme.

I didn't add golf other racing schemes because they're not popular and/or they have small amount of maps which makes map whoring a lot easier. I know these schemes are luck free and fun, I love em too, but they can do just fine on Cups.

Quote from: TheKomodo on February 02, 2017, 10:52 AM
You can't have Kaos because it requires rubberworm, and League should be as simple as possible for newcomers, it shouldn't require to install an add-on to play should it?

If Kaos didn't require rubber, and you removed Mole Shopper, sounds like an amazing lineup.

Fair point for Kaos, I would be fine whether you keep it or not.

I can't talk objectively about Mole, I don't like it. I added because it had fair amount of games played overall, but big portion of it might be Zalo and his friends. Again, personally I would be fine whether you keep it or not.

Well I  like MM too but it doesn't have any chance against Big RR. Big RR is far more popular and it's completely luck free. Like other excluded schemes, MM can continue gathering people on Cups.

Yeah, if I were to suggest other changes:
* Bo7 Playoffs.
* 60 day deadline just like before.
* Overall reset like Classic league, makes sense considering more than half of schemes are now gone.
* Doing any necessary changes to improve schemes, like removing crates from Aerial. I mean Jesus, people get Banana Bomb or Homing Bird from crates.

Actually that 8 schemes was based on Team17 becoming part of Free and Big RR becoming part of D2 Classic. If Classic will stay same as it is then we don't need MM. It would be:

* Darts
* Mole Shopper (I really hate it but it seems popular around both WormNET and free league)
* Aerial(pls remove crates)
* Boom Race
* Bungee Race
* Kaos
* Abnormal
* Big RR

Playing free league don't have any serious competition, especially on PO. Finish league higher position and seal the deal on Bo5 PO. For example piki dominated free league. He mastered 6-7 schemes (Abnormal, Darts, Normal etc. just look at his free overall to get the idea) and was fairly good at few others so he picked 3 schemes based on opponent and gg. Not to mention some schemes that allows massive map whoring with luck factor such as Plop War. Just like why people complaining about 3x rope or 3x default picks to win Classic PO.  Fewer schemes will make it more credible with Bo7 PO.

Yeah, it might not bring extra more players, but I would be willing to play it more by knowing there are less schemes so I have chance in PO even if I don't finish season #1.

Why I thought it can attract newcomers is fewer schemes might be better for newcomers because there will be less schemes they'll have to learn, and most of them being fast paced, easy to learn and entertaining. I mean would a newbie interested with something monotonous like BattleRace or Elemental? Something like Mine Madness where you blow shit up, Abnormal and Boom Race where you shoot yourself to win, a different default scheme approach like Aerial and Kaos etc. sounds far more interesting. And the fact these schemes are played more proves it.

I based my list on popularity. I didn't pick Plop War because luck placement and map rape, unlike MM which has fixed map.

Battle Race takes time, allows map whoring, and people not interested at it, as you can see above. Mine Madness is fast paced, all explosion and shit attracts newbies and contrary to popular belief it's not luck scheme. When played Bo5 you couldn't beat people like Barman, Zwitter etc.

Quote from: Peja on February 01, 2017, 05:43 PM
you move from 2 inactive leagues to 3 inactive leagues, mind to elaborate whats so great about this?

Some new players afraid to play Classic because they're scared from pros. It's like High School Basketball Team vs NBA Team. Division 2 would be like a school till they graduate and join NBA Division 1.

Free League is inactive because it houses shit ton of unnecessary schemes. Smaller Free League like my example would attract more player that looks something different than Classic. At least we can give new Free League a chance, if fails shut permanently.

Quote from: Peja on February 01, 2017, 05:43 PM
if you want to save leagues you need fresh blood, to get fresh blood you need to make the concept attractive for newcomers.
- shutdown all leagues on tus
- open one league with supersheeper, mole shopper, shopper, hysteria, team 17, intermediate.
- host a big eac like tourney which takes a year, including cool prices for the remaining  tryhard nerd pros.
- if your league attracts new players, you can reopen a refined classic year after 1 or 2 years.

LMAO. That's like to increase your country's population, you legalize rape and illegalize abortion. You might increase population but current population will get f@#!ed for that.

8th scheme in new Free league can be Bo5 Mine Madness. Because:
* Fast and fun.
* Fairly popular.
* Requires jetpack skills, delicate rope knocks and some fair F3 weapons skills.
* Bo5 removes major luck factor.

People saying Shopper is popular but actually it's not. Here's overall stats:


But it's popular around newbies, so it can gain more interest if we divide leagues to amateur and pro.

D1 League:
* Elite
* TTRR
* WxW
* Roper
* Hysteria (less noob friendly like limited petrol)
* a2b BnG

D2 League:
* Light Elite (more noob friendly like it has 5 sec hotseat etc.)
* Big RR
* Shopper
* Roper
* Hysteria
* BnG

Let's get rid of current free league and replace it with something like:
* Darts
* Team17
* Aerial(pls remove crates)
* Boom Race
* Bungee Race
* Kaos
* Abnormal
* an 8th scheme that is fairly popular and doesn't have much or any luck, and it's not Normal or Mole(normal got ONL and CWT, and Mole got Team17 instead)

Bo7 PO for new free league.

Rest excluded schemes can renew interest with cups or TRL.

Darts is severely underrated. People forgetting TRL Darts was one of the seaaons with most game played compared to other TRL schemes, and it was fantastic.

Well, removing hysteria might be unlikely because as poll shows too, no dominant vote for removal. So what about:
* 4x Petrol bomb instead infinite
* 5, or max 7 sec SD clock.
* Once someone suggested to add drill to counter certain type of darksiders, how did that turn out?
* Also if people killing their worm is annoying, why not make worm a more valuable asset. Maybe instead 4x80hp teams, try 3x100hp?

Just trying to come up with suggestions.

Great job, very nice vid. Enjoyed.

Indeed, Free League currently is a mess. It needs some changes.

Quote from: Tomi on January 28, 2017, 01:06 PM
Big RR: same, map whoring and it requires quite a big monitor for some maps which have big flies and the finish can be quite often draw.

When I reached #1 on Big RR overall for the first time, I was using 1024x768.with ctrl+home. Obviously higher resolution is better but smaller resolution is not a big issue unless you got used to play on higher resolution.

We need a racing league Not in TUS perhaps but once a year event like WO.

Something like:
* TTRR
* Bungee Race
* Jetpack Race
* Parachute Race
* Boom Race
* Golf
* Battlerace
* Super Sheep Race

Followed by a bo7 PO.

A person who mastered all these 8 would be considered far skilled than those mastered 8 Classic scheme.