Here's the descussion in the PM with TheKomodo:
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Zwitter: Thank you for a great event, it was nice to take part in
My paypal account is now unavailable... Could you donate through this webpage?
https://boosty.to/(...)It accepts paypal payments. You will need to register there. According to Google, it should be 1 991,44 RUB as of current exchange rates
Did you see my game comment that one of my replays I uploaded is wrong? Can it be replaced? Aerial game lacking
TheKomodo: Hello,
Sorry, I will not register on any 3rd party website.
On the Cup page there were 3 options:
PayPal - Direct PayPal Payment.
Steam - Steam Gift up to the balance of the prize money.
Donation - A donation made to TUS or another service in your name.
Thanks.
Zwitter: The cup rules say: "ALL PRIZES ARE PAID VIA PAYPAL OR STEAM GAME GIFT UP TO THE VALUE OF THE PRIZE MONEY". In case of PayPal option, it's not specified, whether it has to be a direct transfer or it can be a third party service. I stated that I choose the PayPal payment to myself.
The website link to which I gave you (Boosty.to) is a popular platform for creators in my country, like Patreon or OnlyFans. As I said before, now it is the only possible way for me to receive money from other countries online. The platform is safe. You can check reviews about it.
There is a contract. A participant takes the prize-winning place, and you give the reward. I completed my part in good faith, having spent much time, correcting my plans and activities for your request. Now I want from you no more than to execute your part of the contract.
TheKomodo: It says "paid via paypal or steam gift", not via "3rd party website".
Do you actually think it's ok to force someone to register to a 3rd party website? If I had to GO OUT OF MY WAY for an extra payment method for you, then I'd have to do it for everyone, and that is not fair.
It is YOUR responsibility to make sure the available methods of payment are acceptable to you. It is unacceptable you are trying to make me do something that I did not agree to do.
I've already paid the others, with no complaints.
Zwitter: It says "via PayPal", and that only means that there has to be a PayPal system transaction. Saying "not via "3rd party website" you add/change your own rules after the contract.
I do actually think what I offer is fair, because me and the other winners are in different conditions, as I am under sanctions, and can't use the same method others do. My offer does not violate the initial rules of the cup (without your current interpretation of them). There are surely no complaints, because people have no problems getting the money directly with PayPal account.
There are no people that I know to ask, and that would be YOUR responsibility to find them, because payment part is your part of the contract. You should have specified what you had meant by "PayPal". From what we have I find my offer absolutely legit, and there are no rational reasons for you not to follow it. Why the being nice principle had been lost? I really don't ask much there, and I have no other choice.
TheKomodo: If you cannot accept PayPal directly, or if a Steam Gift is unacceptable to you.
I can donate the money to TUS or another service which uses PayPal directly, in your name.
Those are the ONLY 3 options.
Maybe you could find someone who would use this service for you? I could send them your winnings, they could use that service for you? Is there anyone you would trust for this?
Of course it says "via PayPal" because it's a PayPal transaction!
I did not specify about 3rd party websites because I assumed everyone is intelligent enough to understand that by saying you would be paid by PayPal it means directly, not via some 3rd party website. It's YOUR fault for making that ridiculous assumption.
It's NOT my problem that Russia is under sanctions. So stop trying to make it my problem.
You have no idea how rude it is that you think that I should sign up to a foreign website.
I don't care whether it's safe or not, I am NOT signing up to 3rd party websites when it's the players responsibility to accept the same payment options as every other player involved.
PayPal means PayPal... It's madness to think I'd have meant anything else there. If I were willing to use 3rd party websites to send money with PayPal I'd have included a statement such as:
"If you cannot receive PayPal direct, don't worry, I'll happily sign up to some 3rd party website to send your money!"
However, the reality is, I did no such thing, and you actually thinking that I should sign up to another website is actually an insult to me.
I've put a lot of time and effort into planning these events, hosting them, creating maps for them, streaming them! AoA took over 100 of my hours! So that people like you can enjoy a professional quality event, which is something I didn't get to experience myself when I was an active player 10-20 years ago.
Trust me, I feel terrible that you cannot receive your payment directly with PayPal, this is why the donation option was there in the event that a player does not have a bank account or steam account.
If you cannot receive the money, donate it to a good cause, or to TUS, or something.
Please don't take it out on me, I do as much as I can possibly do for the WA community trying to make it better...
Zwitter: What you say now are excuses on the not specified rules argument. You keep providing me your subjective visions of your rules. You are insulting me with your value judgements and blaming me. You can feel whatever you want, but you must take the responsibility and follow your part of the contract.
You feel terrible, spent 100 hours for the cup and at the same time can't find 5 minutes to sign, send the money and delete your account. For no reason. You are insulting yourself with your attitude to this.
We are now not getting any step forward. I find your refuse of sending me the money as a scam. With the agreement of MonkeyIsland, I'll make this public soon in the cup topic."
TheKomodo: Don't worry, I'll do it for you."
TheKomodo's reason of not registering on the platform, according to his replies, is his egocentrism. He feels being hurt when someone tries to make him to do something. This is proved by him saying he didn't care about safety of the platform. This is irrational and not the right way to discuss anything.
@Xrayez, what laws you refer to? The sanctions are for companies and certain people state-related. They do not forbid ordinary persons, individuals, make international bank transactions between each other. Do you really suppose there are risks? There is actually a risk for
me to sell money to other "unfriendly" countries, because my country's current laws are very repressive. Also, do you think I'm the one misbehavioring here? I refer to initial cup rules and explaining what it all means. What I get back is emotional something based on personal complexes. This is the reason I decided to make it public.
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