QuoteKRD's definition: Darksiding is hiding your worm in a position where it's impossible for your opponent(s) to hit you with a grenade and at the same time impossible for you to hit your opponent(s) with a grenade.

i have a serious problem with this.... 

example: avirex vs. senator: i teleport to a spot that i can toss nades at senator...  but he does not have a single shot to hit me with a nade, by KRD's rule it is not a darkside, because i am able to toss nades... in order for it to be a DS, BOTH players have to have no nade shots.

this means, that i just forced senator to teleport, and now i get the first shot at him...

when 1 person teleports, its kind of like skipping their turn in order to achieve a better hide, but with KRD's rules, i would be forcing senator to skip his turn to achieve a better hide... its not really fair...  the person who teleported, should not get the first attack, and thats what KRD rule is allowing...

i know it would be a rate situation to find a spot that i can shoot senator in, but he can not shoot me.... but if i did find such situation, it does not protect senator, it protects me (the initial teleporter) thats not fair IMO.

the rule should be: if you teleport, your opponent MUST have atleast 2 nade attack options.

its that simple, because if someone wants to be stupid, and teleport in a spot that limits their nade attacks, and they have to wait for wind to even have any chance to shoot, they should be allowed to do that.... it would be very stupid, but they should be allowed (as long as their opponent has atleast 2 nade options)

the reason i say at least 2 nade options, is because there was a complaint recently stylez vs. johnny, EVERYONE initially thought his hide was a darkside, but turns out there was 1 possible nade attempt, it was a 5sec LG difficult shot.... stylez should not have been FORCED to repeat nades for the entire rest of the game, because johnny chose to hide lame.... so i believe its fair to say "at least 2 nade attack options"

but the current rules are kind of protecting the teleporter....   i can teleport to a difficult spot that senator has no aim @ me, and he would be pissed, and want to make a complaint... but i can just say "its not a darkside unless he cant hit me... AAAAANNNDDDD i cant hit him, thats the rules, and i was able to hit him"

to me, that just does not seem fair.

ok MI... i get that sometimes the polls get out of hand..

thats why you should appoint a select group to discuss things, and decide what happens (if the select few cant decide, then you can make final decision)

or do you just want senator to handle it?? and update the rules how he thinks they should be?? because that just wont work... whoever released the rules when they uploaded the scheme, worded it poorly, senator added a couple rules (blocks and glitches) and he worded those poorly.

and it was not fault of the original uploader, or senator, and im not trying to attack sen. in anyway, but sometimes a group of people can put their minds together and come up with one solid solution, rather then one person trying to handle a task that is 6 years old and out of control... its kind of like when president bush f@#!ed up America, it was damn impossible for any one person to come in, and try to fix it... the country needed/needs a strong team to fix things.

im just trying to understand what it is you think needs to be done??

a) senator update a couple of things to make the current rules more clear? but things like what to do when SD starts, and crates are available are not important to discuss, or add to the rules.

b) a group of TUS members discuss the changes that need to be made, and the proper way to word them. also when complaints come in, decide how the rules can be worded properly, so the complaints are not repeated in the future?...

c) none of the above (in which case i hope you explain what you think needs to be done.)

i been working on this for quite a while, may not seem like much... or, may not be much to some people lol

but for me, took a while, i like it, hopefully others do too.

Let me know if you like it TOmi, and ill scale it to the sizes you need.

MI: your post bothered me, we been discussing this for a couple of days, for the most part, all remaining respectful.

then you come here and say "i did not approve of this poll" (as if we need to ask your permission to make polls now) and then you say "also we dont need the poll" (as if this problem has absolutely no chance of ever occurring again) 


Here's my thoughts, and goals with this entire "update the rules" project.

When complaints come in, with unique situations, no matter how rare they are, if they have an opportunity to repeat them selves, we need to make the rules more clear... this will do 2 things: 1)let everyone know exactly what he can or can not do, when this situations happens in their game, and 2) it will no doubt lead to less complaints at the end of the day.

So, as i said, my real goal is to limit the complaints, and make a clear, and professional set of rules for everyone to follow.

i know some wise-ass will come here and say "this is worms, its just a game, we dont need professional rules"  but yes we do, everyone who plays worms, and loves the games at one point in time takes it very seriously, and appreciates clear rules, and wants clear, and professional rules.. TUS is a professional website, but its lacking in some areas.. the number one area its lacking is its rules, and its been lacking the rules for quite some time...

now you have a team of people that are committed, and want to take the time to discuss, and implement proper rules (senator, komito, spleen, myself, ryan, and im not sure if rU is seriously interested, or he was just trolling)  ((sorry if i missed anyone))

and instead of respecting the people that are taking time out of their day to help TUS, and the rule book you say.

Quotenot only I didn't approve of such poll, but also we don't need such poll. This is a rare situation. There shouldn't be polls about rare situations.

i understand your point, that polls give miss guided information, and some people vote just with which vote is in the lead, without understanding all sides of the debate, or some people just vote because they want to be a part of something, or like to click their mouse..

but saying you did not give us permission, and its not needed was a slap in the face after we been trying to do something to make TUS a better place.

Quote@avirex,
I appreciate the effort. (anybody who bothers to share their opinion)

your welcome

QuoteSenator gotta update the rules. If you had some extra time, please chill

your first post seemed to be a slap in the face, your most recent post was a bit better, and now i am chill...  but i do not understand what this means "senator gotta update the rules. If you had some extra time"

ok, since when do we have to say "dear master monkey island, do i have your permission to make a poll?"

and if you dont think we need such poll, then i just dont know what to do anymore, last week you approved of the idea of updating the rules, this week your saying we dont need it???

i guess you like the complaints forum? you obviously like rules to vague, that nobody really knows what the f@#! to do.

i give up, i really do... f@#! the rules, lets leave them how they are...

cr8 before attack, w2w at sd, no blocking, hf... thats about what they are, so f@#! it, lets leave em alone then.


i agree with some things ryan and rU are saying too... like the fact that when sudden death starts, its time to w2w... i agree, but thats as simple as saying when roper starts its time to CBA.

anyway, i guess this argument is over, im glad we cleared this up, and we now know MonkeyIsland is leaning towards option 3... BUT LETS NOT UPDATE THE RULES, we will just reference this thread next time a similar complaint comes up, thats good thinking.


i seriously give up... its f@#!ing useless to try and help better TUS in any way, MonkeyIsland wants it his way, even if that way is right, or proven to suck ass... so, f@#! it...keep the rules the way they are, and enjoy having more complaints per week, then you can clearly handle.


edit: the only thing in the rules that should be changed is "when the gong sounds"  i think its very important to implement that into the rules in one way, or another

well, you got me there... i cant argue that.


but, not everybody is going to read every rule, for every scheme...  we want to make the rule well written, so there is no miss-understanding, while still trying to keep them nice and simple.

does not get any more simple then having the option of what to do, either CBA or w2w, when your presented with an uncommon situation.

anyways, we can all go back and forth for ever, and seems like that is just what we will do if MI does not step in the first couple pages of the debate was good, and healthy.. but now its just becoming monotonous. there is no one side that is completely dominating the votes, especially if you take into consideration that main people following this thread have all agreed on one thing.. option 2 really is not fair... so if you counted option 2: you MUST collect cr8, as option 3 votes, there is no clear 'winner' of this poll..

i think at this point its best we just let MI come here and make a final decision, so we can move on to other topics, i already have our next debate in mind


penalties/skips: what exactly is allowed, and whats not allowed... ie: can you get your cr8?? can you knock worms?? can you knock worms for FD? can you knock worms into a pile, or into a barrel? can you do anything you want as long as you do not attack?? or must you just skip??

the current TUS rules (according to a recent complaint) says that you can do knocks, you can deal FD damage, you can pile worms, you can knock  worms to barrels on your skip turn, but you can not attack... i dont think that is fair, and i think we need to discuss it... but lets get a final answer on this, so we can move on.

its cool, but i actually am a fan of the one you googled, with the shiny letters, and transparent background.

you should give credit to RastaMahata on the TUS upload page imo.

but anyway, is there any way to make some kind of script that would unpack everything exactly where it should go??

or would the be nearly impossible, being some people may have saved worms in different folders/names/ etc. ? ??

because, if someone could make such a script, it could be very valuable for newbs, when and if we get a new sub-forum dedicated to the newbs.

Quote from: Tomi on April 16, 2015, 05:30 PM
I am working on a tutorial handbook for new players. Who are willing to translate that text into his/her own language? (30 minutes of work).

In my opinion there should be made a subforum for this project (like the subforum of the promotion project) and there we could make topics like "Newbie guide book - English", "Newbie guide book - Deutsch", etc. Depending on the flag of the player in #AG the player would get a message on his/her own language with a link to the proper topic. In the subforum the text of the "guide book" could be maintain easily by the team of the moderators of that subforum. What do you think?

Btw in parallel the development of the bot could be started if you are up to that Zexorz

whats going on with this project??   

I think TomI is right, there should be another sub-forum made dedicated to nubs...

so far we have at the top
"General Discussion"
"Tech Support"
"Promotion Project"

the promotion project is pretty much dead it seems, but i would not suggest to remove it, maybe at some point in time some wormers will get a second wind at promoting the game again... it would be nice!!

but i think TUS really needs a sub-forum dedicated to the newbs, and being at the top of the forums would be ideal, being if your a newb, this site could be very overwhelming.

so i suggest it goes something like this.
"General Discussion"
"New to worms? click here for help" (or something similar... something direct, and newb friendly)
"Tech Support"
"Promotion Project"

we really need to start being more proactive towards helping the newbs, the newbs are W:A's future... without getting new players to the game, it will eventually die, i would say that a newb friendly sub-forum is equally as important, if not more important as the promotion project sub-forum.

after we get this sub-forum, im sure everyone can pitch in with things to help the newbs.. people will help translate, maybe others can make .GIF tutorials, maybe others will make a thread dedicated to important links the newbs should know. etc.

after the sub-forum is made, i would suggest to have a MOD of that sub-forum, and have very strict rules in that sub-forum, (absolutely no spam, or clutter of any kind) the newb friendly sub-forum has to remain neat, direct, and simple at all times... its a place strictly for newbs, not for anybody else (unless they would be there to help)

i am volunteering my time and efforts to assume responsibility of MOD in the newb sub-forum.  i doubt that i will be given the position, and that's fine... just letting it be known i am an option :p

before people come here yelling about how option 1 is leading the poll, and if option 3 was leading, the poll would have been closed on the first day, or whatever else was said...

let me make something clear, i think some people are failing to remember.

when we are updating the rules, we are taking the rules, and making them more clear, and leaving little to no room to miss-interprate them, keep in mind we are basing off the current TUS rules, we are just trying to eliminate any loop-holes.

Senator i believe has the power to do this-

However, if he wants to change rules completely, i believe this has to go through the big boss first (MI) and he should/would get the final decision.

current TUS rules (as the recent complaint showed) that cba is the standard, regardless if it is sudden death or not... this means, if a crate is left behind you must collect that crate...

option 3 is trying to be fair to everyone, and give options, but regardless, its still a rule change(not just making the current TUS rule more clear), and there for MI needs to accept it.

option 1 as well is a complete rule change, and MI needs to accept it.

thats why i said

Quotethe current mods now need to step in, and decide which rule should be implemented, and then we leave it at that.

i just wanted to make that very clear, before i had someone bitching at me "well if option 3 was leading in the poll......"

WL: "If no crate falls: just attack. If no more crates fall because it's sudden death: touch both walls before attacking." = option 1 (except we would do w2w if no crate falls before SD)

komo, WL does not state to w2w when SD starts.... dont say this was a fact, its not true...

WL states if no more crates fall because its sudden death, then you touch both walls... it does NOT say what to do in the situation that a cr8 was left on the map when SD starts.

have we all got lost so deep into who is right, and who is wrong that we forgot what we are even debating?

we are discussing what to do in the situation that a cr8 is left behind when SD starts... we all know to CBA before SD, and we all know to w2w after cr8s stop falling.... but what we need to make clear is what to do when a cr8 is left behind and SD starts.


ryan i said

Quotei think option 3 is the best, because it will cause less confusion for everyone, and less complaints like someone has mentioned... and that is not an opinion, that is a fact.

maybe the bit where i said "i think option 3 is the best" made your head spin.. let me clarify this for you... that one statement IS an opinion, my expressing what i think is best IS an opinion.

Quotebecause it will cause less confusion for everyone, and less complaints

that is the fact.

nobody can dispute that... NO ONE.

if there is cr8 grab them b4 attack, if sudden death starts and there is cr8s, you get a choice.... if there are no cr8s, you w2w.... THAT LEAVES NO ROOM FOR MISSUNDERSTANDING, OR COMPLAINTS.

the current mods now need to step in, and decide which rule should be implemented, and then we leave it at that.

because its pretty clear the vote is not working out, it should be blow out decision, not a 3 vote lead with a very minimal amount of votes to begin with..


rU: everything you say has been humorous, you keep saying that i did something on purpose, or i know the rules, im just trying to change then to fit my needs... have you read anything in this thread dude?? majority of past leagues all said CBA is KING... even w2dinfo said CBA is KING... MonkeyIsland too said, CBA is KING...

but here you are with xta means nothing, my old school spanish friends didnt even play xtc, they never even heard of xtc, i e-mailed them, and they told me xtc did not mean anything to them!

or

QuoteHow isnt it clear that you gotta wall to wall once the cr8s stop dropping? The rule couldn't be clearer,  it's been explained thousand times.  How would that cause complaints?  The only one who made a big fuss out of it was you, as you took every little loophole in order to manage to attack in a roper match. Dont pretend to be a fool avi in order for your own benefits. You really know what's the real rule: which is option #1. Surprised though you only got 6 buddies to vote for you lol.

your a clown... go back and read the thread.

dainub, the only person that accused you of cheating, was you...

devilage just wanted to see the replay, because the time of the drop seemed suspicious, nobody can deny that.

your the only one who got all bitchy, your the only one who said the word "cheat" in this entire thread.

i would ask to see the log of the player who dropped too, if the drop is in a very critical point of the game, such as that was... i dont care if i was playing against taner, or the f@#!ing pope, i would want to see the log.

and of course when there is a drop game, and a rematch has been played you upload both replays, that is the TUS rules, the fact that you did not do it, only added to the suspicions.

so just relax babygirl, we love you!!! shaven or not.

Quote from: Ryan on May 15, 2015, 12:37 PM
WL's example is what I was familiar with (which makes sense given that it was my main experience of ropers) where it says if crates do not fall due to sudden death, hit both walls.

Under that premise, any crates lying there are up for grabs but you must bit both walls regardless. Apart from the odd first sentence, that is option 1.

I have to admit though, I didn't know the rules had changed - would be interesting to see what cl2k said.

ryan, the WL rule says exactly what we all know..  "if cr8s dont fall due to sudden death, then you w2w" we all know that... but what we are discussing is what to do if there is a crate still available after sudden death starts.

just like senator said

QuoteThe WL rule may just assume the map is empty of crates, it doesn't state clearly what happens if a crate is available

anyway... the poll has a 1 vote difference, should be a blow out one way or the other, and if not MI would step and and make a final decision..

i think option 3 is the best, because it will cause less confusion for everyone, and less complaints like someone has mentioned... and that is not an opinion, that is a fact.

the people who like option 1 are basing it off opinions and personal preference, which is fine if thats how some people want to vote, but i would encourage people to keep in mind that the main purpose of making the rules more clear, is to eliminate a lot of unnecessary  complaints.

edit: Komo, to answer your question, if we have the right to change the rules, i believe senator now has the ability to do that  (seems he changed the "block" rule, and the "glitch" rule.  so, i assume he hes got the powa!

oh and rU, you think this debate is getting boring now?? do your old school spanish buddies who want to maintain their anonymity think its boring too? hahha i cant get enough of that joke u crack me up dude.

Yah, WL does not clearly state what to do if a crate is left, but I would assume if it was on the map it's legal, especially considering WL made it legal to have no obligations before attack if no crate falls, and SD was not officially announced.

I guess this officially throws everything rU said out the window...rU, maybe you should show those quotes to your oldschool Spanish friends who wish to remain anonymous

Lukz, despite who enjoys a good debate, or not is completely irrelevant... TUS rules need to be updated to be more clear for everyone, which will result in less complaints

So if you'd like to say we love this, one could say you love complaints?

My point is, this is very much needed, and important.

Quote from: HHC
you can do as Komo does and write just the author without all those msg numerals.

Here's me being a politician

good idea, i like this... thanks komo and hhc i am now a pro f@#!ing quoter!

watch out world, here i come!!