I love when people don't read the thread and just jump in and make comments that mean shit.

There was not a single person that said they were against big maps in the league.. if Tomi and rip want to go play big map Tue games, enjoy yourself.

But I should not have to, and I should not be tricked into it... EVERY piece of evidence points to me not knowing it was a big map, I asked for a RH, and this guy raged, calling me a pussy etc. And you mods are just rewarding him for his behavior.. it's really quite surprising how your acting..


Monkey Island: there is a wxw that I know of that is very short, and narrow (gaps on sides) but it's not a big map, it's just rather small, not utilizing all of the classic map size capabilities.. so what your suggesting is I have to be untrusting of everyone and I now have to ask all the time if it's a big map or not, rather then the very simple, and very logical alternative of the host informing every one involved in the game that it's a big map? Are you guys even serious? Or is this some kind of Halloween joke?

I really don't see why your fighting against this so hard senator...

Even my complaint if you were doing your job, should have been void.

But now I'm over that, and I just want to make sure people don't get taken advantage of... as I said earlier, daina, lalo , and myself were all caught off guard by these big maps that don't make you click in lobby to accept them... that's well over a combined 30 years of experience that were tricked

Yes, I agree that from now on, I'll just have to be extra careful before I start games, it's like the old saying goes, "fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me."

But why are you going to allow others to get taken advantage of like this? When you can simply make a rule to notify your opponent of abnormal size maps. Why would someone forget? And what does it matter if they do?

Since when do mods forgive people if they forget rules? What are you talking about?

Also, you said there is no big maps in roper because border does now allow it... what if I make a big roper map, with regulation border in paint shop? There is no rules saying no big roper maps, so I'm allowed to do this correct?

Also big elite maps.. nothing stopping me there...

My point is, just because there are map makers that have made big shoppe maps, does not mean it should automatically be accepted into classic league.. and so far that's been your argument... because they exist, and there is no rule not to allow them, they are legal.

I was genuinely surprised to find out classic league allows big maps, considering big maps are a new-ish feature.. I'm not sure what business they have in classic league, they tilt belong in free league.. but whatever I can understand maybe 2 people want to play on a big map, and agree to it, they should be able to.... but host should make it very clear if he is hosting an abnormal size map.. I don't even know why your debating the issue... people should not be tricked, misinformed, or mislead into playing a map they would not otherwise play.. period

I have seen wxw maps that look small in the thumbnail, but it's because they were small maps...

A small map, made in color does not necessarily mean it's a big map.

Walrus, you keep telling me you have this method of knowing big nap from classic maps, but your not telling me how.. will you kind of are...

So far I got, if there is gaps on the side is a big map (not true)
And if it looks small on the preview it's big map (also not true)

I think the logical thing would be for the host to tell people it's a big map... it's very simple.

Oh please senator, your back pedaling..

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I agree I didn't post the replay, I planned to after I got an answer, but Peja did it for me.

You know you dropped the ball on this one dude, it's cool.. I don't care about the void anymore, I just wanted to make a point more or less... and hopefully I did, I don't think people should be taken advantage of like this.

It's not only about my taste in maps, but I can't see to rope in these maps, the screen does not follow fast enough, I know there is some key combo, but I don't know it (I pm Aladdin asking him if he knew) also it's very hard for me to find crates, where as others have patches.

So it did not come down to mypersonal map  preference, it came down to putting me at a clear disadvantage without me even agreeing to it...

Anyway, you MI and walrus have all told me about this secret way you have to point out big maps instantly from the thumb nail in the game lobby before you light...  I'm really interested in hearing this method from any of the 3 of you, because gaps on the side I just don't think is a good method. I feel like if I wanted I can recreate the exact thumb nail. In a legal size map... unless I'm mistaken that's not a valid way to know of is a big map or not... so please tell me how you can be so sure as you say, so I can avoid these troubles in the future... honestly that's all I really want.. if there is a way to determine without light that I'm not aware of, then this was a misunderstanding on my part, and I had no reason to complain... I can't be mad at my own lack of knowledge.

Because there is no way to determine a big map, from a classic map, and 99% of the community choose to play on classic maps for league game.

I suggest the rules say very specifically "light bulb symbolizes acceptance of map and scheme 99% of the time, but in the case of unforeseen circumstances, it is the hosts job to make opponents aware of maps, scheme changes, etc. Failure to do so could result in void games"

I don't play them..  I was under the impression they always have that icon to click, to accept them.

Wally: themadcharles guy said there is already a feature like that, in advanced settings... dunno how true it is...

As I said, I thought by default I have to click to accept a big map... I had no reason to suspect it was big, focus on the gaps on the side, inspect the game before I placed my worms, or even ask... I assumed since it did not make me click, it was a standard size color png map

Mods need to make an updated rule, any modification to the scheme, or the map, that is not considered classic should be made well aware to opponents. It's simple...  I'm not sure we need to have an update because one guy is pulling trickery.

PS: walrus, did you check the screen shot of the map MI hosted? How exactly can you tell that it's a big map? MI suggested that because it has gaps on the side, it suggests it's a big map.. that's simply just not true... that looks no different then a ffie Mario map for example.. there is nothing stopping someone from making a narrow map.

So what's your truck to spotting the big map in this situation, that the rest of us are unfamiliar with?

Sometimes you have to cover all the bases, for people to understand, and hopefully see things clearer.

What's worse though, me typing a long post, because it's something im currently involved in, or you having absolutely nothing to do with this thread, yet coming here to read it, comment, then copy and paste your comment to google translate, then copy and paste your link under your comment...

Sorry cool dude pig god, but I think you just won the "I don't have anything better to do" contest

1) you don't think it's possible to make a color map that is narrow? Because that's what I thought it was from the lobby, a narrow map. There is nothing wrong with a narrow map (well at least not a reason for me complain) people host elites on maps that at times are way too narrow, and if they were in .png format they would have gaps on both sides on the lobby, but you won't find me here complaining that issue...I really don't see how some empty spaces mean it's clearly a big map... looks like MOD number 2 doesn't have a clue what he's talking about

2) I have been back a week, and I'm playing on a aptop that I'm not familiar with screen size or res....if either of you watched the game you would see thht even after my turn I asked "is this a big map?" So all the evidence points to me not knowing... no body else took a turn but me, and I attacked. You could then say "well people could then say you had a bad tele, or bad crate" or you could go watch the replay and see that was not the case.

3) MI my quotes clearly showed I was surprised by his MOD title, so much so that I thought you could have made a mistake... I'm only looking out for you, and the well being of Tus. It could be a bad situation if you made a mistake of that caliber, or worse, someone hacked the site.

Also I never asked to switch mods, as in get a new MOD that can handle the job.. I'm sure generally senator does a fine job (just not in this scenario)  I asked to get another opinion from another MOD.

I don't know why I bothered, because I recall situations in the past, you MODS generally all stick together.. even if the entire community knows the original ruling was horrible, the MODS stick together. After all we wouldn't want to "belittle" anyone

4) can you find me a reason I would not ask for another MOD. And show me how he did it a good job. He himself only copy and pasted some rules, told us all his biased interpretation of the rules (which schemes he feels are obvious to allow big maps and which are not) and then rather then making a ruling with my specific game in mind he just said vague shit like "people could say you had a bad crate or bad tele" so let's throw the facts of the visible proof (replay) out the window, and let's worry about what people could say? Interesting approach to this MOD job, wouldn't ya say?

5) clearly the 2 of you think that I should either watch for the small details in the lobby, ask "is this a big map" prior to each game, measure the map before I place worms, or just know from first glance, ignoring different reasons on why I wouldn't. Rather then the most obvious, thing to do, which is....

"the host must make any unforeseen details clear to opponents before the game starts, or the game is  subject to being void"

That's like me hosting a game with the power of zook up in a rope game, then saying "welllllllllll light means they accept, check rules gg "

See how some people might think that's unfair?

At this point I don't care about the game... but I think me, and many other people would be interested in a rule change... I don't think anyone is asking to ban big maps, but you should be made aware of it before the game starts. Most people would think that's obvious, but because certain mods like to ONLY refer to rule books, rather then game to game situations, while using rule book as a guideline.. and because there is at least one player not mature enough to tell people what's going on.

There needs to be a rule change.

PS: sorry post is long, but I just want to point out MI , that if you believe it was such an obvious thing in the game lobby, how come dainub and lalo were tricked as well? A combined 30+ years of experiences were all tricked into accepting a game we otherwise wouldn't.. and mods see not a damn thing wrong? It's blowing my mind

Why is there some common sense thing for ttrr, and roper?

The fact that you said that is proof you have a biased point of view.

Your opinion is that they are not allowed in most scheme, and that's obvious, but they are allowed in shoppa? O rly?

I have never seen a big map in classic league... my point is not that they should not be allowed, but they should be agreed on... (it should be the host job to inform everyone involved in the game, not my job to measure the map, and make sure it's the proper amount of pixels, wake up sen.)

I had no idea it was a big map until I started playing man, I had no way of knowing just because people placed worms that's stupid.. and I'm not going to grab a ruler, and measure all maps before I place my worms from this point forward (because that is exactly what your suggesting right? Considering I have no way to know prior to lighting.. only way to truly know for sure is too measure)

So in summary, your biased opinion is that big maps are not allowed in most scheme, due to common sense, but they are allowed in some due to maps existing in said schemes. And to top it all off, if I light, I accept, regardless of unforeseen circumstances?

Well, thanks for your truly shitty MOD opinion... any other mods wanna take a look here and voice their thoughts? MI, D1, barman?

Senator, can you show me where in the rules it says thatlarge maps are legal?

What's next large maps in elite? Bng? O shit, large map roper, that sounds fun *rolls eyes*

This is classic league... not free league.

Also... if its OK to ask for a RH before anyone takes turn.... why can't I ask for a RH only after I took my own turn? That's when I found out about the big map, as I was taking my turn...

How can I agree to something that is unknown to me? Think about that, then give me a real answer... not a copy and paste from the rule book... because as lalo said, rules are a guideline, not a tell all.

Walrus, originally I did not think he was trying to trick anybody, I just thought he was lame... but now when I see he had this exact same problem with dain n lalo, kind of makes me think he is trying to trick people.  Yes.

BTW: rules tell me to finish game, make complaint later... what are you suggesting I should have done senator, quit directly after my turn? 

PS: can somebody please translate RIPs post for me? I'm pretty curious what he is saying.

i just realized that senator is a mod??? lol.. or was that some sort of typo by monkeyisland??

i want another opinion from a different MOD.

if big maps are accepted in league games, ok.. but i do believe BOTH sides should agree... and if your using some map that does not show that its a big map, you have to make your opponent aware, you can not say "you lit up, so you agreed" that's not fair in any such way.

i would never in a million years agree to a big map, and as soon as i found out it was a big map, i asked for a RH.. then RIP started acting like a child..

if the game does not get voided, basically RIP will be rewarded for tricking people with map size deception.

game vs. boo should be void as well tbh

Senator, your not using logic here..

you expect me to ask everyone from now on if its a big map??? you don't think that is the hosts job?? I have never had someone host ANY league with a big map, so why in the hell would i ask that question??

that's like if the host puts on battyrope or some other crazy thing that im not aware about, then you come here telling me... "well avi, you lit up, so you agreed"

nah dude... use your head.

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Yep lol. J0hny loved play on big maps much years back and was ok. Dibz and other played on big maps and all was ok. I played it on maps in ttrr style in time how had novice roping and all was ok also.

i don't doubt at all that you have played big maps... and i don't doubt that others have as well, very rarely, but i'm sure it has happened...

The problem is, you did not make me or my team mate aware it was a big map, and we did not agree. When we found out, and asked for a RH you refused raged.. maybe there are rules saying you don't have to, im not sure. thats what im trying to find out....

im pretty sure though that in classic league, you play with classic maps... big maps are reserved for free league.

Anyway, we can just wait for an answer from the mods.

ps: i did ask several people in AG, people who have been playing in league for quite a while, the common answer was "dunno, never played on a big map"

i dont want to post a replay, or mention any names, because my opponent went into a complete rage when i said i would find out if this is legal or not.. lol..  so, i will save him some embarrassment for now.


Is it legal to host on big maps?? and if it is, should you at least make your opponent aware its a big map, and make sure they accept it??

i thought all big maps have you click on the map in the top right corner, because its a large file.. but this one did not, so i was not aware it was a big map until after the game started, and i took my first turn..

after my turn (i did attack, so it had nothing to do with a bad turn) i realized it was a big map, and i asked if we could rehost on a standard map... this guy started ranting about how im crying, and all i care about is wins, and i should stfu and play, im a pussy, etc.

all i want is a fair game, i have never in my w:a career have played on a large map in leagues... is it legal?

damn that looks dope..

i might get it just for that mario game!!

and wtf is that game the korean teams are playing?? that looks like a cool co-op game...

also, how stupid to release it in march? they cant push the date up 3 months for xmas.. is nintendo dumb or what?