Do you honestly think that it's 10% hhc ?

I don't... I'm sure there has been well over 5000 shoppas played, and I would bet less then100 have been big maps.

Hhc, the rule would protect people on the case they start the game, and then realise its a big map, and want to rh, they would have that option... it would obviously not be justified to finish the game and never even mention a problem with the nap until you lose...

Also, you saying that there is no advantage in big map shoppe means you did not put much thought into it before saying that, and you also didn't read this thread.. (which I can't say I blame you)

In big maps, when you roping /dropping downward, the screen moves in a way I'm not used to, your worm can even fall faster then the screen keeps up. So if your not used to that, your at a disadvantage.

Also, there's some key combo, all + home? That will make the screen center, but in my experience it was very strange, and made me dizzy because it just bounced around so much with my every movement... not to mention in that specific shoppe, I didn't know what key combo it was too activate center camera... off you can say that's my fault I didn't know, and I'll agree to that... but who's fault is it that I didn't even have a clue big maps were played in Tus classic, so I had no reason to want to know... Not my fault I didn't know.. unless someone wants to come and tell me I should have been more knowledgeable about MI's past games/quotes.

Another disadvantage I can think of off the top of my head is how hard the crates are too find, and remember the path to get to them.... but some people have the crates finder patch, which I don't have or even know how to get... you can tell me it's my fault I don't have it sure.. but it's never been needed in classic Tus on the past.

Anyway, needless to say I don't agree with anything in your post. But np

This thread is useless anyway, MI is stuck in his ways.

of course it flew under my rader, considering big maps make up less then 1% of TUS games...


its really shocking that you wasted this much time debating this... and under no circumstance will you change your mind.

its such a far stretch to imagine that the host should give a simple reminder that he is going to host something that only occurs in 1% of all tus games?? lmfao

i do agree, that we should all pay attention in the lobby.... but "close attention" come on man... you never went and took a piss, or grabbed a drink, or smoked a cigg, or jacked your little dick during lobby???    its not like im saying that the host should describe each and every map style before each game..... 

im asking that the host gives a friendly reminder he is going to host a style game that has came up less then 1% of TUS history...

anyway, nothing i say, or anyone else will change your mind, you made your mind up from OP.

lock the thread already dude? why keep it open? do i entertain you??

anyway, congratulation on finally deciding the rules need some work..

can i give you a friendly tip?? you should update the rules as the complaints come in... when complaints come in, and you can not find a clear rule about it, you then make an update.

i mean, i will not claim to be an expert on this topic, but i would think thats a better idea then basing complaints off MI replays, and quotes... just sayin'

should rly lock the thread though, because im too stubborn not to respond to you.

i actually agree with komo... darkz, you sound like the elitist piece of shit that you miss..

how can you even say any shit about your "elitist friends in FB, FB was the shit, after FB i cried, no league will ever be as good as FB"

your an idiot.

FB sucked, and everyone thought FB sucked, except for those people who hung on the balls of that giraffe looking mother f@#!er Kiros.

if you were sucking kiros dick, he would suck your dick back... if not, the ban stick got waved to everyone... remember when he wanted to close FB down, and only only those who sucked his dick to participate?? yeah man, that was good time, what a great league.. gtfo.

TBH: anubis did not really do, or say anything wrong... he answered the question from the original post, kradie and sensai had no business disputing his opinion... but f@#! it, its worms forum, thats what we do... thats what we always have done.. even in the past, with the elitist FB crew.

darkz, honestly, you sound like some bitter old war vet, that wants respect, and thinks he should get it, just because your an oldschooler who graces us with your presence on forums once a month...

if your basing levels of respect on the amount of time you played the game, then you should respond to my thread with the up most respect, because i am to you, as you are to kradie and sensei... being im an oldschool w2 player...

so, if your not a hypocrite, talk to me like a gent, and i wont accept anything less.

MI, you missed the entire point, your so stuck on those past games, that you won't look to the future for YOUR league.

The rules need to be clear to everyone, not just the couple people here that have already been tricked (yes, we will most likely be more aware of thumbnail) but what about future players, old schoolers that will return, or just people that don't read tus forums, but still play tus?

You can tell me until your blue in the face, that I should have looked at thumb nail. but the fact of the matter is, why would I be watching out for something I never knew was allowed in the first place?

****newsflash***** the rule should be made for any unsuspecting people in the future, and other schemes rules should be made clear if big maps are accepted in those too.

To answer your question, the fact that this league is using MI games as references for rules, then expected me to know the rules.... rather than updating the rule book... yes, it kind of offends me.

Anyway... I'm glad your FINALLY seeing that the rule that when a host makes a big map, he should simply tell everyone is a big map "because of the albino case". Maybe you should consider saying somewhere in the rules what schemes can be played with big maps?

Or shall we just wait to see if a bunch of noobs start playing roper on big maps next year? If there is ever at any time tus games reported with big map in a scheme, that either no one complained, or flew under the radar... that will tell us what's legal now, and in the future.

OK... please, lock this thread... you have FINALLY realized maybe the one rule needs to be changed due "to the albino case" but your not going to see things differently on anything else, because your far too stubborn to take any advice from avirex.

I can't resist not posting to tell you how much of a dumb ads I think your being.. this thread is my rough guy kryptonite MI .  Please....lock... thread...

Peja what exactly was the reason for that thread?

MI, I have said before that it should be possible to make big map that looks normal in thumbnail.. guess you don't read ether?

I no proof of it, but you have no proof otherwise..   I guess it's too much to assume the host should announce when hosting any map out of the ordinary. My bad.. I'm crazy.. let's just move on..

Anyway, you seen to be stuck on just big map in shoppe, what about other schemes? Do you plan to update those schemes rules with big map/normal map rules? Or should we just wait to see if you ever play a tus elite, roper, or t17 with a big map?

MonkeyIsland... not one single person has said how they determine if its a big map. your genius idea was if the map is narrow in the thumb nail, its a big map.

ITS NOT TRUE.

in my experiences small maps in thumb nails, are small maps, and big maps in thumbnails require "click to accept"

it was not until recently that lalo, dainub, aladdin, and myself all realized differently.. how can you even argue that it was not an unforeseen?? Senator even said himself, he does believe i did not know about the big map, but because i followed the rules, and completed the game before i complained, i should not get a void game.

ironic.

but let me just say again, i don't care about that game, i care about clear rules. MI my rule was a quick write up, not a final copy, just a quick idea, but my rule did state that the host should announce any unforeseen things before game starts, so how can you ask questions like...

- I like to start the first turn. But right before we start teleporting I noticed that my opponent is having the first turn. Can I use the map excuse?
- I don't like the worm positions. Can I use the map excuse?
- We teleported, but my opponent took all the good spots. Can I use the map excuse?
- I messed up my first turn. Now I just realized this map is big and I don't like it. Can I use the map excuse?


if the host told everyone its a big map, the answer is an obvious no.

i have said it time, and time again that i don't care about that game, its nothing more than an example to prove a point... which i have proven... you have proved nothing, but continue to fight to be right.

MI, do you know what thread your in anymore?? this is a rule change thread... not a complaint thread.... do you know what your even arguing about anymore??? or are you just trying to attack me with your petty "avirex is a tough guy" comments... where did that shit even come from?

you guys are fighting that the rules do not need to be changed, there is no need to specify what schemes allow big maps, and what schemes do not, there is no need for a host to announce an abnormal map is being hosted, because your theory is... if you have any questions of the rules, just watch some of MI's games, and check quotes from last summer...

is that right? i just want to be clear, because honestly, im sick of arguing, this is obviously a losing battle...

even if you don't think that the host should make people aware when hes hosting a big map (despite majority thinking they should)  at least make it clear what schemes allow big maps, and what schemes do not..... or do you want to argue with me, how thats not needed either?

Please lock the thread. your obviously right, and I'm wrong, there is no need to continue going back and forth i don't think.

Another person missing the point... the topic is updating the rules, map size is just an example dude.. wait another week and the will be a different example in complaint threads.. and senator will be making some ruling based off his emotions, or MI's quote from the winter of 03'

But while your at it, what's the sites bigger problems? A shitty set of rules? OK, I'm done responding in this thread...

It's obvious there is a clear divide, people who see the problem, and know there should be change.

And people who want to talk about map size.

Don't forget quotes too husk...

I believe MI quoted back in the summer of 1992 sarcasm could result in a ban.

***warns husk***

Tttr Can not be played on a big map? Sure it can, actually ninja camel made a big map ttrr that was still "narrow".

And t17 had to be played on cavern style map, why can't it be big?

You see...llee llee le le letttttt me sa sa sa say this s s s slowly...

You fools need to update rules, it's been talked about since tus was conceived, almost everyone tells you this... and I thought when I new MOD was discussed a couple years back, it was in hopes to get a MOD that will update rules as complaints come in and warrant changes...

MI, I thought you didn't want to be a dictator, but apparently you are... you have decided since YOU have played big shoppe map, that those are accepted. Senator decided because you made a quote last year about ttrr games big maps are not accepted...

But your more recent quote is they have to be narrow maps? Ninja camel has a narrow big map ttrr will that be accepted?

Does anyone see the point here? The rules should be updated. Or should we just always base the rules off what MI does, or says next?

PS: you never said how many coins your offering the child, I'm a gambling man, I would take the coins.

Dude, your so busy trying to prove your right to me, and the other 60% of people involved in this thread that don't agree with you, that you don't realize how stupid the shit is your saying.

Your missing the point dude, and then trying to debate with nonsense.

All I'm trying to do is get an update to the rules, it's a much needed update considering more than half of the community had never played on a big map in a league game, or had any idea they were allowed.

But your too busy trying to prove your right to even care about updating the rules...

Well, it's time to lock this thread.

Anyone who is unsure of a rule from this point forward, just check MI's games, if he has played in a similar style game, or made any quote about a topic, there's your answer... who needs rules. Just look up MI's quote from last summer, very simple process.

This community no longer has a say in anything, if MI played, it, or spoke about it, it's forever etched in stone.

Just lock the thread, it's clearly going no where.

this was made 5 years ago?? this is the first im seeing it...

whos the wise guy that put peja at my nuts? :X lol

not cry, just saying facts...


big maps can only be played in shoppa?? says the rules?? Nope, says senator.

dont quit games, finish games and complain later, says rules...

but senator says you finished the game, so your penalized...

i can go on and on with senators contradictions.

peja: did you pull the basics of empirical research out of your ass??   TUS does everything by some dumb ass poll, i know its stupid.. but thats how they do things, when i make a poll though, its worth nothing..

i love how this community works, they just bend and twist things when ever its convenient.

anyway.. im done with this thread. might as well lock it tbh. senator update the rules.

Seems like you like to interpret the rules how you want to.

There is no arguing with mods.... who cares what over 60% of the community think, right? You still want to interpret things how you want, there no point in arguing.

Write the rule how ever you see fit, if you see fit.

That makes allot of sense...

"Aaarrrr matey, avi be stupid for chasing the knowledge... walrus be brave!! Light to any map matey! Bng for life arrrrrr"

You can't call someone a pussy for wanting to know what the mall is before lighting. well, you can.. you just look like an idiot.

Besides 2/3 of the community agree, pussy

lol... i think this is worms first scam artist....

does this mean the game is becoming more popular?? i hope so !