Quote from: ropa on July 25, 2011, 11:59 AM
WxW is a roper scheme, because most of the time you don't think what to do with the weapon, you only think about roping fast enough so you have enough time to attack with the first weapon that comes to mind. In shopper, most of your turn is dedicated to deciding what to do with the weapons you have, and you use roping as a mean to achieve the attack.

Depends on the map really. On most w3w's or w4w's you have a lot of time to put up a strategy, at least for your next turns or for the turns after this as well. Actually i believe wxw and shopper is kinda the same thing apart from you have to additionally touch walls in wxw. On hard maps strategy is getting short and it depends more on what you would call typical rope stuff like being quick, being safe and so. But i dunno many guys who would host such a hard map that it mostly depends on who can do all walls and attack in the same turn (MonkeyIsland is one of those ), and that's not what it's about imo. Strategy plays a big role in wxw also as in most of the other schemes (apart from rr maybe but well... can be tactics also if you wanna go flatout or do a safe run).

Anyway, maybe set up a poll to determine if shopper is more of a default or more of a rope scheme. That would be the most righteous thing i guess.


Edit: Just saw this:

Quote from: MonkeyIsland on July 25, 2011, 07:16 PM
How exactly all of you agreed to discuss shopper on the condition of "Good map choice"? Is it a debate on how is shopper on "City Shopper"? Is that a standard shopper? With the huge variety of shopper maps nowadays, it is the map that decides shopper is a rope scheme or a default scheme.

Very good point.

Quote from: ropa on July 24, 2011, 10:18 PM
Historically, you'll also find out that dedicated ropers struggled with shoppers whilst the dudes that used to play team17 and elite had no issues with it.
anyone would pick chicken over volrin in a shopper. anyone.

I think you completely miss the point when you minimize roping abilities on being able to rope quickly and safely. If Chicken is able to rope safely through a shoppa map and he's able to rope knock worms safely in tough, narrow hides, commonly found on most shopper maps, he has some good roping skills, as simple as that. Kind of the same difference between roper and rr, quite different kind of roping required for those. I don't find the tactics to be different from other roping schemes either... it's mostly about piling the right worm and stuff like that. Totally common stuff.

Hm, so you consider a scheme in which you rope around a map which basically was made for roping around, collecting crates in places you basically can mostly only reach with a rope, knocking your opponent's worms from the rope to get them where you want them to be, ultimately attacking them from rope to rope to the place where you want to hide your worm a default scheme? Can't help but doubt your sense of logic. Of course weapons play a role, they do also in wxw scheme and loads of other schemes, but essentially shopper is a rope scheme.

I used to play some Pro's with some clan mates and it was pretty fun. Sudden sinking rocks more though.

Not 100% correct yet. Keep trying.

K, i'm fully relaxed now. Question still doesn't make any sense unless you meant "what is important and what is not..."

Quote from: Alien on July 14, 2011, 08:44 PM
What is important and not to care for Komodo Dragons ?

I don't understand the question.

Quote from: Komito on July 14, 2011, 09:54 PM
Well, considering 12 years is "after 11 years"

Ermm... no?

But he not nazi ok??

Quote from: THeDoGG on July 12, 2011, 10:45 PM

Quote from: SnipeR` on July 12, 2011, 09:22 PM
ps: Yes, i use IE8.

IE users must die.

Haha.

As far as i understood this app does nothing but keep you logged on tus site, it's not for improving the way the site is displayed in browsers on mobile devices. Don't ask me what this should be good for, i have no idea... it's all written in the first post of this thread, maybe you should make yourself the work to actually read it.

Hey,

as i can see this thread kinda went into the wrong direction so, as i am a helpful person , i wrote a little quickstart guide as there seem to be some people like ropa who have some problems understanding the scheme rules and how to navigate on TUS site to get information:

First of all you have to know that there were rules set up to avoid conflicts and problems that could come along in competetive league games. You can find these rules by clicking here and choosing "Rules" from the dropdown menu:





Further you can find the list of all schemes supported in TUS league and more by clicking here:





and choosing "List of schemes" from the dropdown menu. You will there find a full list of supported scheme (look out for the Classic/Free league column on the top of the table, supported schemes for those league will have a green hook on it) and other schemes uploaded by friendly TUS users for your comfort. But that's not all! You can even click on the schemes names to give you helpful informations such as the talked about scheme rules, game options, weapon possibilities, possibilities of weapons contained in crates and comments provided by other TUS users.

This little graphic should be of help to find out where you have to click to expand drop down menus with the named infos:





So much for my little introduction to make life a bit easier for newcomers on this site and in the game, hope you enjoy your visit.


Greetings.

Quote from: Chicken23 on July 03, 2011, 12:20 PM
ropa has a point. It kinda gives people to upload rules to their scheme uploads and tailor them to their preferences. We never got round to having a set "scheme rules" text went back and forth between me and MI for awhile.

on the note of afr.. its one of these rules that kinda has come into play over the years. Indeed in shopper its more common for afr to be accepted as a league rule.

I prefer shopper without afr and cows, ss, axe, minigun but that probably won't happen again lol

No afr wouldn't do a harm, it's people's choice whether they want to do it or not, i think for the sake of simpleness wxw and shoppa should have the same rules though otherwise it would get complicated as people would probably complain, players would be confused whether there is no afr in wxw too or not and so.

Quote from: NAiL on July 02, 2011, 01:41 PM
If you read through this thread you'll see komo did nothing wrong and people just want to jump on the komo bashing banD wagon, you mad bros?

Actually every thread Komo takes part in descends into drama, what has that to do with jumping on some band wagon?

Edit: Just saw this topic is b0r forum. Nevermind, don't wanna spam your place with bullshit. Pointless to argue anyway.

Lol @ "get a life" from the guy who needs to get one the most. Why dont you just confess it Komo, you live for internet drama to make up for your sorry ass existence. Seriously, you heard the same comments on your posted garbage from so many people now. Time to reflect on yourself and fac e your acting complete arse.