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General discussion / Re: My Opinion
« on: January 03, 2018, 01:24 PM »
Quote from: Ytrojan on January 02, 2018, 05:24 PM
They should release it, as Worms Armageddon is slowly losing players. Then Again, Worms Armageddon 4.0 is probably using up all that valuable time, and that time could've been spent on the short-term 3.8.

Last we asked, they said 4.0 hasn't even begun development.

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General discussion / Re: Should they release Worms Armageddon v3.8 on Dec. 31st. even if it's unfinished?
« on: December 31, 2017, 10:48 AM »
If something is buggy due to not being properly tested, yes, I can see the community leaving or being split between versions, but just make sure it's not buggy, eh?

I recommend you ask Team17 to release 3.8 first as a beta branch, as others have suggested in this thread.

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General discussion / Re: Should they release Worms Armageddon v3.8 on Dec. 31st. even if it's unfinished?
« on: December 30, 2017, 06:02 PM »
Quote from: CyberShadow on December 30, 2017, 03:41 PM
*looks at poll results*

Well, it's settled. Update delayed until December 31, 2022. Pack it up, boys! I'm sure all 7 people still playing W:A by then will find the wait worthwhile.

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the maintainers are confident W:A will not be hurt by the release

No. The entire idea that an "unfinished" release of a W:A update will "hurt" the game or community and is worth delaying the update indefinitely is Deadcode's and Deadcode's alone. Nobody else (who knows what this is exactly about) shares that opinion.

There is a reason why I practically stopped working on the game itself a long time ago.

I had a feeling it might be something like that. Will you continue working on the game when 3.8 is released? If so, I change my mind, unless Deadcode wants to come clean for why he thinks it will hurt the game to release now, since no one seems to know or understand why he doesn't want to share why.

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General discussion / Should they release Worms Armageddon v3.8 on Dec. 31st. even if it's unfinished?
« on: December 29, 2017, 01:49 AM »
As you know, the maintainers set a deadline of the end of the year to release v.3.8. Of course it could have been sooner if the maintainers thought it was ready. Obviously they don't think it's ready, but they will release it anyway, unfinished, December 31st. (Plus however long T17's process takes.)

I'm creating this poll so that they can receive some input from the community before they makes this decision.

I will be voting "no" and here is my explanation for why I will be voting this way:

Deadcode has reasons for why v3.8 hasn't been released yet. To throw these reasons away in order to comply with some arbitrary deadline will hurt Worms Armageddon according to Deadcode's own logic. Here are his reasons:

Quote from: Deadcode on October 10, 2017, 03:42 AM

Quote from: skunk3 on October 10, 2017, 12:17 AM
if "almost everyone" agrees that it should have been released long ago (and therefore, presumably finished) then why hasn't it been released yet?

I'm sorry, I can't be specific. Basically, I feel it would hurt the long-term future of the game to release it at this point, with certain features unfinished. But whether or not I manage to finish these things, you will be getting a release by the end of the year.

After releasing 3.8, I want to go back to a much more frequent release schedule, like it used to be before 3.6.28.0.

Again, this argument doesn't follow. It'd be like Elon Musk saying he can't release the new Tesla because he believes people will die due to mechanical issues they still need to work on, but he will release it anyway on [Arbitrary Date Goes Here], even if these issues are not worked out.

People's lives should take precedence!

In the same way, if Deadcode believes W:A will be hurt by releasing 3.8 unfinished, then why release it anyway? (And if it will not be hurt, why wasn't it released sooner?)

I think it should be released as soon as the maintainers are confident W:A will not be hurt by the release; no sooner or later, and not by some arbitrary deadline.

We've already waited this long; if I am to choose between hurting the game I love and getting a new update now vs. waiting longer and giving this game the best chance at success, I will choose the latter.

We might be able to make a more informed decision if we knew the specifics, but since that's not possible, I, for one, trust Deadcode and his reasoning above, as he knows the situation.

It seems like the maintainers feel like the community is forcing them to keep a promise they made. I don't think we would want that if if means hurting the game in the long run, but with this poll we can find out.

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