CF got the best overall pourcentage of wins. But if you look closer : They have done a total of
1064 games.
Random 79% of win, played 57% of games
Ray 73% of win, 33% of games (remember that it will be more than 100% coz its duo games)
Darkz 73% of win, 30% of games
SPW 78% of win, 20% of games
Unique 70% of wins, 22% of games
Yanme 69% of wins, 14% of games

mm got 2026 games; but :
mablak 75% of win, got only 14% of games
barman, 58% of win, 25% of games.
Statik, 64% of win, 16% of games.
Devilage, 48% of win, 24% of games.
Avirex, 52% of win, 35% of games.
Shyguy, 54% of win, 24% of games.

If you compare, CF got all a very good pourcentage of wins, which can means they all the time are more than 2 on clanners so they can choose who are the best to play each schemes, but it meanly means they have very good overall players.
mm got a less good % of win, mablack aint playing a lot. Which means maybe their players are less overall (so if they are 2 to play clanner they can be "counter picked" by a schemes they are not the best at, but if their mates were here they could have got a chance. It can mean they are not focus this much, or that without mablak they are not so good

If you look at POs mablak is playing like 90% of times and thats why for me they win it. The only games he lost were hysterias, and once wxw with dibz against daina/artic.

I'm 100% sure that mm wont win any of the three finals without mablak. Its like he's giving even some +50%-Damage and +50% Armor to all teammates. He's really a huge factor. But every clan has to live with that and taking it as a challenge. CF is hungry for 7th gold trophy and we would be dissapointed, if Mablak wont play. This has nothing to do with the semifinal against cFc. This will be a hard fight and a coinflip who's winning it. Its really great to have such a nice competiton nowadays and I wanna thank all players which still playing this game active. 

All top clans having some really good allrounders in it. I guess its the first time that w:a has such a nice competition in clanners. Keep it up!

Yeah mablak probably is the reason of that mm power in playoffs but its a good challenge and as you I prefer him to play than not to play PO games.
I love challenges and playing against Mab in a PO clanner in rr/roper for me would be really exciting and i look forward to it (next 2 months ? :/ )

Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 09:13 PM
. I guess its the first time that w:a has such a nice competition in clanners. Keep it up!

Nah, there's been times with much more competition and more contenders. In WL, from the top of my head, whilst HoS kind of dominated there were plenty of other top clans to today's 3: t5x, eif, susuii, dwi, bS, CoN, AC etc etc.

That sounds to me like 100 years ago right after w:a got released and all were semi-noobs ;d Maybe more competiton, but not on that level like today.

Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 10:10 PM
That sounds to me like 100 years ago right after w:a got released and all were semi-noobs ;d Maybe more competiton, but not on that level like today.

whaaaaaaaaaat. That was like... in 2003.... You're really dismissing much of WA's history just because. You have a lot of clanmmates who were around at the time  

back in 2003 there were pro players who had 5 year experience? now we have pro players who have 10+ year experience... ofc today the level is higher

Inactivity is a bitch and after some time it seems you lose reality.

Quote from: Husk on June 25, 2012, 10:33 PM
back in 2003 there were pro players who had 5 year experience? now we have pro players who have 10+ year experience... ofc today the level is higher

who in the top 10 has that experience? but why is that relevant? I was only saying that there's been times were the clan competition was more fierce... sigh

we r talking about clanners, this topic is about clanners. so I'd say quite many people in "top 10" have that experience. it is not relevant, because u r talking about clan competition and I'm talking about the skill level. I couldn't talk with you about the clan competition going back in 2003 because I was still new back then and had no interest to clans, so I believe u when u say the clan competition was better than what it is today.

but I'd rather have few high skill level clans, than several good clans.

Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 10:45 PM
Inactivity is a bitch and after some time it seems you lose reality.

like I said, since you clearly seem to think I'm delusional, go ask your clanmates that were around, ask them if it was only 3 top clans. You're kind of embarrassing yourself.

Quote from: Husk on June 25, 2012, 11:09 PM
we r talking about clanners, this topic is about clanners. so I'd say quite many people in "top 10" have that experience. it is not relevant, because u r talking about clan competition and I'm talking about the skill level. I couldn't talk with you about the clan competition going back in 2003 because I was still new back then and had no interest to clans, so I believe u when u say the clan competition was better than what it is today.

but I'd rather have few high skill level clans, than several good clans.

if your point was that the best players today would beat the best players in the past in an allaround match then yes, I agree. but the clans I mentioned didn't just have players, they had very good players. I don't know why you guys always have the tendency to make of these talks some sort of old school vs new school fights but it's kind of sad we can't just chat about worms without making claims with nothing whatsoever to back them up (SPW), and when somoene (me) comes to try and shred some light on the topic I get the delusional tag? Kind of sucks, no?

SPW is using manipulative means to try make your opinion weigh less just because u r inactive. I don't like that.

sorry if it looked like it, but I wasn't the one calling u delusional. I respect ur opinion regardless how active u r

Quote from: SPW on June 25, 2012, 09:13 PM
I'm 100% sure that mm wont win any of the three finals without mablak.

Way to shit all over mm with just one sentence. Yes, he's our biggest asset, which he would be in any clan he would be in. CF has Random and blah blah...

Anyways.

Talking about old times vs now: skill level is definately bigger, people would make a huge fuss about VolcoM since he roped almost flawlessly (no falls and made pretty much all doable cr8s) and flawless playing nowadays is default thing to do if your pr0. Defaults.. well no need to go there.

Competition when considering activity was at highest on WACL times in my opinion, but when skill-level and activity both are taken into consideration I'd say it was during FB times when dt dominated.. in my opinion naturally.. it's only opinions. Total skill level is naturally highest nowadays.. you learn more the more you play. Simple.

Quote from: ropa on June 25, 2012, 09:50 PM
Nah, there's been times with much more competition and more contenders. In WL, from the top of my head, whilst HoS kind of dominated there were plenty of other top clans to today's 3: t5x, eif, susuii, dwi, bS, CoN, AC etc etc.

What are the 3 clans you are talking about?

Out of all those clans you just mentioned what would you consider at the same level as those 3 from today?

I don't want to disrespect any of those clans, but you are f@#!ing delusional if you think all those clans count as being top clans while only 3 clans count as the top today.

The very fact that you say HoS dominated back then totally negates your argument that there was more competition and more contenders.

I'll play along with your troll

Quote from: Free on June 26, 2012, 01:20 AM
Way to shit all over mm with just one sentence. Yes, he's our biggest asset, which he would be in any clan he would be in. CF has Random and blah blah...

Hey you forgot Flori in ps! Shame on you. I rox overall elite hysteria...