to clarify: I used the nickname to make a point


edit: things weren't like this in the Komodo era

Psydome was the goofy bastard that loved the zook and would type buzzwords in when he nailed you with them.  Like "zoom" or "bam" or "beep beep" or something, I forget really.

Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PMDo you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?

Clearly, clearly, clearly, as evidenced by the very thread we're posting in, this community is not smart enough to tell obvious lie from truth. What's more, it doesn't even care that that's the case anymore.

In true TUS tradition, I vote we blame it on secret societies or something.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 11, 2012, 03:53 AM

Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PMDo you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?

Clearly, clearly, clearly, as evidenced by the very thread we're posting in, this community is not smart enough to tell obvious lie from truth. What's more, it doesn't even care that that's the case anymore.

In true TUS tradition, I vote we blame it on secret societies or something.

/me does secret pre-patch wormer handshake with KRD

Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Do you guys even realize that you're bashing the one who made the community ?
b2b was and always will be komo's as ckc is chicken's as TdC is rash's and mine....

As soon as I read this I had to post before reading the rest, b2b was my idea, but in my eyes, it was mine and wormf00ds, I couldn't have done it without the guy, I have so much respect for him, and I did quit b2b so I have nothing to do with it anymore.

Edit: Ok now the rest:

Quote from: Prankster on December 10, 2012, 02:54 PM
I apologize for saying this, but this thread is full of ignorance. Seems like most of you guys have no idea what happened between Komo and the rest of b2b.
Some facts you should know:
Komo AND wormf00d made the commmunity.
None of them was ever considered to be a leader (not by us at least), and we are just fine like that, we ever were.
Komo's leaving was his own decision. He wanted to make b2b something that none of us wanted, not his co-founder either.
BnG was never being "under our watch", we have our own style of BnG, we never wanted to force anything to the leagues or the community.

That is one of the things that pissed me off the most, it was on our roster for years

TheKomodo - Leader
wormf00d - Co-Leader

And you guys kept acting like me and wormf00d were not in control, just because I never made decisions without consulting as many other members as possible, gave everyone rights to the forums and offered rights to others for a2b etc, doesn't mean I wasn't in charge of b2b or I wasn't the leader, I seriously don't understand where u guys got this idea that b2b never had leaders from but it's sooooooooooooo wrong, what makes it even funnier for me, is the fact that over the years many many people pm'd me in ag with messages like "I want to join b2b ramone/lacoste/dilligaf/surge etc told me you are in charge" and everytime i'd go on to say wormf00d is leader too but everyone has a voice, if you are serious about joining i'll inform everyone you are interested, you should play with us as much as possible get involved in our tournaments even play a2b if you want and see how it goes, after linking them to the thread in b2b forums saying "b2b is not recruiting".

And that's also the problem, the fact you guys didn't care about trying to spread the fun of b2b and everything we had going to as many people as possible, maybe I can't stand lazy people, big deal, green was the only person who up front said "don't expect anything from me" and I didn't, but when people started asking me to do things and I done them and it turned out to be a waste of time, I started getting fed up with it...

Quote from: Prankster on December 10, 2012, 05:29 PM
a2b died when Komo was still active and in b2b, almost no one played it after a while. Same with the tourneys. We tried to host a few times, but seemed like people don't really care anymore, so we lost motivation.
You should realize that all these b2b bashings are manipulated by Komo. He is still angry at us, so grabs every opportunity to blame us for something, making every case look 10 times bigger than they really are.

a2b died when I went inactive actually, I stopped playing and so did wormf00d, and everyone else stopped playing as well.

If anyone is manipulating the truth it's certain members of b2b, not me, I tell it like it is, hence why alot of people don't like me because I am not afraid to tell the truth even if it hurts, in my opinion, like surgery the truth hurts, but it heals.

I am not an angel, I done some bad things and I took responsibility and took my punishment, that's what a real man does, but NONE of you will admit to anything you done wrong, or ever will.

Quote from: darKz on December 10, 2012, 10:17 PMBut the mistake wasn't to give everyone mod status, the mistake was that Komo went nuts and started to phantasize about a leader after like 2 years, then when we disagreed he started to insult us etc. He quit b2b and after a while he wanted to get re-invited because he "never quit", but by mutual agreement between the rest of us we didn't accept him back because deep down we knew he would start the leader argument or some other crap again in no time. We knew this because there were some internal disagreements even before this.

Personally I wouldn't mind renaming b2b into something else so Komo can have the name back and start over if he wants. To me the people are what's important, not the name.

phantasize??? As i've just explained, you are the people who were fantasizing... The cheek lol... The rest of wormnet knew I was leader of b2b and my own members didn't lol, classic

I never asked to be re-invited, I stated that I never quit, because I never, I quit playing TuS, left all communities and cFc at the same time, I even told lalo I didn't quit worms or cFc or anything for real I just wanted to piss a few people off.

The funny thing is, everyone in b2b say "you never asked anyone to come back" because guess what, NO ONE ASKED ME IF I HAD REALLY QUIT, and the 1st time anyone mentioned to me on IRC about me quitting I replied "I never quit" you should have believed me, you should have asked me for an explanation, you know I am prone to doing stupid things what the hell man lol.

And I offered everyone to leave b2b as well as anyone who wants to stay and actually do BnG related things instead of sitting in IRC all day playing internet games and kaos and mole f@#!ing shoppas etc... But as I said, I didn't have it in me to do that, I am not pure evil ffs... And even if I was pure evil, what's the point, Mablak and others ruined BnG anyway giving away all the notching information, from that moment I knew it was over.


Psydome is a legend, he was such an inspiration to me lol, and yeah sitting in AG and all of a sudden you'd see:

HONK HONK VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!

spreading the fun of b2b, why should we? most players have expressed their opinion towards bng, wudn't it be annoying to them that we would insist that they liked bng? that's like trying to convert someone to religion

and u were still active while a2b died

but all the other points u made seem correct

to clarify:

vr000000000000000000000m, vr000000000000000m, HONK! HONK!



Those words remind me of an era where Bng was respectable.

Quote from: KoreanRedDragon on December 11, 2012, 03:53 AM

Quote from: zippeurfou on December 10, 2012, 01:45 PMDo you think the community is not smart enough to read between the line and see when someone is being a jerk ?

Clearly, clearly, clearly, as evidenced by the very thread we're posting in, this community is not smart enough to tell obvious lie from truth. What's more, it doesn't even care that that's the case anymore.

In true TUS tradition, I vote we blame it on secret societies or something.

I've heard this thread is full of lies a few times already.

But what exactly are these lies you speak of? Care to point us in their direction? Because this thread might be home to misinformation, but it also an eye opener for anyone that thought there was still room for ego in the b2b house. But you know, I reserved a place long ago, hence why it's still funny to hear people go all self righteous on the topic.

Bng, the scheme, it's in its worth state in history. Notching is the norm and whilst people start many Bng clanners playing with honor it usually and very quickly goes to hell. What reply do I get? Prankster says it's not their responsibility. They're only the most important and relevant Bng community, and yet we shouldn't look up to them to keep a reasonable level of quality control on the scheme, or care about it. Others claim that I shouldn't be opening my mouth because I'm not in b2b and thus I can't talk (ironic, to say the least).

This lead me to 2 conclusions that I've stated in this topic. That b2b doesn't work in favor of the Bng  scheme (that they shouldn't be expected to nor asked to), that it's an hermetic society and knowing what they're up to can only be done from the inside. And that any sort of critique towards them will see them all against you to the point where you cannot even join their IRC channel to discuss Bng without getting banned.

Now, people of the outside, do you see this as acceptable?

I know one thing for a fact, if I was starting worms and I had the idea of becoming a great Bnger, I would love Komodo to still be in charge of b2b, because I know, that thanks to him, my path would be merry one.

Quote from: Husk on December 11, 2012, 09:40 AMand u were still active while a2b died

I really don't remember it that way a2b died several times and I remember each time because each time I stopped playing, the 1st time is when I think it was Ramone asked me to "rebirth" a2b or something after it had been dead for almost a year, the next 2 times the "manual reset" was missed and players couldn't report, because the manual date reset wasn't done, I forgot to ask Liam to reset it because I wasn't playing WA, surge, and others asked me to fix it and I never got round to it because I was busy, with such a low amount of people playing whilst active it didn't take long at all to forget it anyway.

I was then asked to bring it back again by members of b2b on IRC and I asked Liam if he could reset it, but no one bothered to play so I just left it.

At this point everyone on IRC was playing these internet flash games and haxball n stuff and kaos and mole shoppers etc, I just felt like no one cared anymore and that sucked...

If there was another time, then I missed it completely.

If you are talking about slowly becoming less and less active, then yeah I was active then.

But when I say died, I mean literally no games played for like 2 months or more.

Quote from: ropa on December 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
I know one thing for a fact, if I was starting worms and I had the idea of becoming a great Bnger, I would love Komodo to still be in charge of b2b, because I know, that thanks to him, my path would be merry one.

Thanks man

But I remember the time I said I was proud of everyone in b2b after we released the b2b movie, and I got absolutely trashed for it, accused of "acting like a father figure like I moulded their future and they are nothing without me".

No doubt alot of b2b, and other people would still be shit hot at BnG if they never met me at all, but it seems to me that it doesn't occur to alot of people that I put ALL my time when I wasn't working or sleeping into b2b and BnG for like 5-6 years? I always done whatever possible to get us to hang out together and play as often and that in itself kind of in a way made them better, alot of practise made possible by my persistence and passion for Tournaments and messing around? If I had never made b2b, never done any tournaments or a2b or even had the friendly and supportive attitude online playing as many players as possible, and yeah being a bit cocky now and again and a bit over-competitive and a bit of a muppet, would you really have spent so much time playing BnG? Really?

Seriously, I was mauled for having so much love for the people I spent most of my time with and being really happy we done something truly spectacular together???

And anyway, I did teach and train alot of b2b members, but they all have a completely different and unique style of their own. Can't a guy be happy to be of some use to someone? And now they act like I never done anything good for them... Wtf man...

I mean my nemesis wormf00d became a f@#!ing machine at competitive BnG with all our a2b's, he beat me more than anyone else on wnet, he even said to me himself there's just something about playing me that brings out his best because he's never wanted to beat such a cocky bastard so much in his life haha, and i'll tell you what, he whooped my ass truly a number of times when I was playing damn good ! I really miss that...

I'm just saying I like to feel like I had a nice influence in the spirit of fun BnG and brought alot of people together, it just hurts me these guys don't see it the same way and know how much I really cared about them, I honestly don't think I done anything worthy of being treated like I was never leader of b2b and made out to be a crazy guy who just lies all the time because that isn't true, I done 100 times more good things for all of you than any bad things I done, yeah I made some insults and mistakes but I wasn't the only one & it always takes 2 to tango.

I might not have been a perfect person all the time, but at least I always gave it my best, and I always had the right thing in mind.

u r right, I meant the inactiviness

I'd like everyone to understand one thing: we had to make a choice. All b2b members was being bashed, no matter who was standing by Komo and who wasn't, people would imagine an equality between Komo and b2b, and many people clearly didn't like his attitude.
Komo, you did quit more than one time and we let you back without question. But the last time you'vre crossed a line, we had to choose. Letting you back despite of the things you've said about us and the actions you were about to make (ie.: taking leadership, removing players, etc..) or not letting you back, wait for things/you to calm down and then maybe talk to you.
(sounds like a goddamn breakup)
We chose the 2nd option, but looks like it isn't really working out. Fact is, the harder you act, the stronger the rejection grows. Dancing tango takes two, but looks like we both suck at it.

I honestly don't know how to settle this anymore, but I do miss the times when being b2b was an honor.

ps.: ropa, I'm actually the one (of a few) who asked Komo to restart a2b again and again, I'm all into tourneys and "spreading the spirit of BnG", but I still think that we do not owe this to the community or anyone, it's our own choice if we (can) do it or not.

Quote from: Prankster on December 11, 2012, 01:13 PM
I'd like everyone to understand one thing: we had to make a choice. All b2b members was being bashed, no matter who was standing by Komo and who wasn't.

That's just a straight out exaggeration, all b2b members? Seriously i'd like to see evidence for that, I insulted some of you but not all of you and I still get along with some members of b2b, I really got mad at a handful of you on IRC but as far as I am concerned those feelings were personal and didn't involve other members, it's your word of mouth and CNN-MEDIA-like screenshots and picking just bad moments of ME that made others change their opinion about me, when I played with b2b members online we always got along fine, it was always in IRC with a certain few members that ended in arguements all the time.

I said on TuS shoutbox when I was drunk "f@#! b2b, imma make b4b" (the same night I left sR and cFc) and you guys totally made a mountain out of a molehill, it's actually quite lame... I tried to explain and apologise but as far as you were concerned you had a grudge against me and used this against me to convince others I had seriously insulted b2b as a whole... It was just a joke when I was drunk and pissed off at those of you in IRC.

And this is ironic because the amount of times I said "b2b forever" "i'll never quit b2b" "b2b for life"

Where's the screenshots of that lol... Howcome you don't hold me to that lol...

Quote from: Prankster on December 11, 2012, 01:13 PMKomo, you did quit more than one time and we let you back without question.

I only ever really quit once, and that was when OoO made the post, no one ever "let me back" the only time anything was ever mentioned about me quitting was the time where I actually eventually quit where OoO posted.

Even Liam looked at your "evidence" and said it doesn't hold, you had 3 screenshots and nowhere was there any evidence that I officially quit b2b, that was just wishing thinking upon your behalf, nice try.

One thing is for certain, and clearly seen in recent behaviors. No matter how many friends you have in b2b, saying the slightest negative thing about their actions will see them furiously marching, as a unit, as a single thought, towards critics, with the only intent of manifesting they're in a higher moral ground, that they don't answer to anyone, not even their founder and Bng's most important person in this present time...

is b2b really a community or is it a clan? the Klu Klux clan?

Nah ropa lol, I know for a fact not all of them agree with what's been said by Ramone/Prank/darKz, well about what happened, the downward spiral sorta thing...

it's not that kicked you Komodo out of b2b, but it really annoys me (and I'm sure other see it as well) how it seems they were just waiting for an excuse or justification to do it. And now, much later, they're still giving reasons as to why that happened, and they're still different every time. There was a clear campaign, coming from the inside, it was a f@#!ing coup d'etat and I'm not going to stand here while communities think they're Israel.


edit: worst of all is, the best b2b members would have probably worked up a solution, with the weapon of dialect, and this would have never happened. I'm not saying b2b has cancer.