avirex, notching IS easy to learn, it's VERY easy, it's just a matter of if the person finds it interesting enough or not.

It is no harder to learn than learning the 2 times table for the 1st time, even easier doing it barmans way with visual aids.

It isn't "too hard to learn" it's more likely that good honest people think it's f@#!ING LAME ! End of story.

in the last page of posting there was


avirex, komo, thewalrus, devilage, dub-c, peja, nino, ropa, statik, anubis...


now thats just the last 10 posters... do any of these strike you as good honest people??



komo, i dont mean to learn where a 4sec nade is going to land is impossible or hard.. big deal if ppl will learn to throw 3's and 4's i think it will increase the skill level of bng, maybe then we wont be playing f@#!in 1 hour clan games, until im ready to slit my wrist...


what im trying to say is notching is hard to master, and especially at barmans level, what he did in a short period of time was impressive, i dont care what you say.. i dont think theres many people that can do that...

and notching has been available for a while, and many people that seemed interested in it, yet i dont see any rising notching stars... i guess thats because this community is formed amd molded around such model citizens, right?


anyway, please i dont want to argue with you komo, there is never a conclusion... just back and forth bicker... i g2g to work.. WHERE I EXCEL AT SOMETHING !! ;p

avi, people aren't going to learn something they think is lame are they? Added to the fact most of this community are lazy as hell.

It isn't because barman is special, it's because he has that special gift in life, the passion and the drive to perfect things, and it just happens notching BnG was interesting to him.

The same way Anubis raped Roping with his modding etc...

Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

Quote from: Komito on June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM


Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

many do, it just manifests more often in things other than gaming communities.

Quote from: ropa on June 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

Quote from: Komito on June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM


Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

many do, it just manifests more often in things other than gaming communities.

I'm not even sure about that. If you think about it, among a gamer community you get almost instant feedback about your development and in many (if not most) cases the difficulty/complexity ratio is lower in computer games than in real life activities, so you get the flow faster and that's essential to get hooked on something. Well of course these are only assumptions (there might be studies about it tho) and offtopic anyway, these arguments are only making the main subject fade away in technicalities, about which almost everyone (and that includes Komo, ropa and avirex) is on the same view: visual aids should not be allowed, am I wrong?

So, are ppl gonna give all the tips? u know the shit u use with papers

Quote from: ropa on June 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

Quote from: Komito on June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM


Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

many do, it just manifests more often in things other than gaming communities.

The percentage of what I am talking about in all humans combined, is very, very small, but I see what you might mean by "many do", there are many, but compared to the overall number of humans alive, it's small.

Besides, I am talking about people who become "the game changer", people who don't just excel to the top level, I am talking about people who become the best, and better, who raise the bar, people who blow other peoples minds, completely.

Personally i'd say Anubis was that guy for Warmer, Mablak was that guy for TTRR, I was that guy for BnG, and Volcom was that guy for Pro Roper.

Quote from: Komito on June 12, 2013, 08:00 AM

Quote from: ropa on June 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

Quote from: Komito on June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM


Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

many do, it just manifests more often in things other than gaming communities.

The percentage of what I am talking about in all humans combined, is very, very small, but I see what you might mean by "many do", there are many, but compared to the overall number of humans alive, it's small.

Besides, I am talking about people who become "the game changer", people who don't just excel to the top level, I am talking about people who become the best, and better, who raise the bar, people who blow other peoples minds, completely.

Personally i'd say Anubis was that guy for Warmer, Mablak was that guy for TTRR, I was that guy for BnG, and Volcom was that guy for Pro Roper.

You spoke how easy it was to learn to notch. You then speak of the drive to master it. To finish, you conclude that only chosen humans would have the will and technique to through with all that.

Do an exercise of imagination, imagine Bng was a well paid work with infinite openings, how many notchers would we have in the world by now then? What other works would it compare to? MD? Mathematician? Construction builder? Soccer player? Engineer?

Really think only a chosen few would have the time/skill to learn to notch?

I'm in complete disagreement and hope this text helped you learn how to apply perspective.

Imagine asians would play wa instead of Starcraft, we all would be average...

ropa, it is very easy to learn how to notch, I wasn't speaking about the drive to master notching, I am speaking about the drive and passion to achieve what I achieved with BnG, instinctual shots, competitive League BnG, trick shots, accuracy/consistency etc, and knowing how to notch is a tiny, tiny part of that, what Mablak achieved with TTRR, what Anubis achieved with Warmers and what Volcom achieved with Pro Ropers can also be considered the same thing in my eyes.

Notching has nothing to do with what I achieved with BnG, your text only helped me to understand you jump to conclusions too fast lol.

Quote from: Komito on June 12, 2013, 09:58 AM
ropa, it is very easy to learn how to notch, I wasn't speaking about the drive to master notching, I am speaking about the drive and passion to achieve what I achieved with BnG, instinctual shots, competitive League BnG, trick shots, accuracy/consistency etc, and knowing how to notch is a tiny, tiny part of that, what Mablak achieved with TTRR, what Anubis achieved with Warmers and what Volcom achieved with Pro Ropers can also be considered the same thing in my eyes.

Notching has nothing to do with what I achieved with BnG, your text only helped me to understand you jump to conclusions too fast lol.

and yet you're saying that it's a rare skill to have. I'm only answering that if there were enough people dedicated 8 hours a day that skill you call unique would be much more ordinary than you're making it sound. And the only reason is rare is because Worms is a hobby and people have responsibilities. Would it be the other way around, Anubises, Mablaks and Komodos would be your every day meal. Your best skill is time and dedication. People with dedication are everywhere, with time, not so much, hence why I asked you to imagine worms was a paid job, in order to add perspective to your hyperbole and realize you're just oversimplifying the world in order to have a say in it.

Please do not suddenly change your whole argument, wording and manifest you're talking about something else and that I just simply don't understand what you mean.

ropa, our best skills are not just time and dedication, many people have put MORE time into Warmers than Anubis, more time into TTRR than Mablak, more time into Ropers than Volcom, I can't say the same for BnG though, I doubt it at least.

Although we are a thing of the past, I doubt you will ever see anyone achieve what we achieved, it's not just time and dedication, but also burning passion, a natural bond, confidence, and "just knowing" the right thing to do at the right time... Probably more things I ain't thinking of really...

Even if this were a paid job, I believe we would still stand out, we would have still raised the bar, remember, thousands of people have played this game, and these schemes since the beginning, and what, only 1 of each have reached that level, are you trying to tell me that isn't special?

There are players close to us, but we were unique, no one can rightly & truly deny that, WA is limited in what it can do, I believe we achieved the pinnacle of what is possible in these schemes for Humans to achieve, I also believe, had it been more complicated, more possibilities, we would have achieved those also.

Everything that happens on planet Earth, can be described in the way you are trying to describe it, take all professions, sports, jobs, talents, hobbies, absolutely f@#!ing everything !

There are beginners, average, very good, top players, then the ridiculously elite, most things on Earth the ridiculously elite there are only a few at a time, as things advance, there comes the next generation, who take over.

If WA was extremely popular, say, few million players playing actively, I still think we would be on top, however I do reckon there would be some others like us, but just a few, and there would still only 1 or 2 maybe 3 guys dominating each scheme at the very highest level.

It's my opinion at least.

Lol, you were right, avi, sorry, I thought this topic was about visual aids, but nevermind..
The only thing I'm curious now is barman.

Quote from: Komito on June 11, 2013, 11:41 AM
It isn't because barman is special, it's because he has that special gift in life, the passion and the drive to perfect things
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Very few people in life have this kind of talent/curse.

barman has a special talent/curse that very few people do, yet he's not special. I wonder what does this mean.


For the record, I'm not bringing this up just to open another argument, just trying to get clear what Komo thinks about the visual aid dimension of this topic through the way of what he thinks about barman.

Prank, I see it as a "list of requirements" in a way.

For me someone special would be like, double jointed people who can flex their bodies in very useful ways, the ability to jump higher than any other human being, having fists that can punch through brick walls, people with an eidetic memory, etc, real life x-men lol !

im pretty certain this topic is about how great komo is... anyone that wants to challenge that and tell me im wrong, ill show you at least 5 quote of komo talking about.