This is regarding game #37032 mm Vs cfc

We lost 52 points for this game, it was a w2Roper, before I continue my clanmates played the game I didn't so they must have obviously accepted this, I can accept them losing, but this is what bothers me, even if we had won, we would gain less points.

w2Roper is NOT the same as a normal Roper, there is different tactics and gameplay altogether, so why should we lose points for a different scheme from a scheme we gained alot of points with?

w2Roper should be a seperate scheme, just like Shopper and WxW, as they are the same concept, with different rules as well.

Who else agrees?

And before avi comes on here moaning at me, even if this wasn't my clan, or we had won the game I would still be posting this.

w2roper shit !! don't add this pls ! [or add to free leauge]

If they refused to play w2roper. Classic would of had to been played.

Quote from: Chicken23 on August 25, 2010, 07:21 AM
If they refused to play w2roper. Classic would of had to been played.

I know, but do you understand my point?

The point is, they are 2 different schemes, so why 2 schemes = 1 set of points?

Should be 2 different schemes...

it would be the same if nrbng was allowed. I see your point. But if i didnt like w2roper id just refuse to play it and force classic. Same with bng. But i'll turn in my grave the day nrbng is a classic league scheme. 7 griders in t17 is  bad enough.

I'd be happy with NrBnG if it was a different scheme...

Despite I and Oky didn't like the idea of playing ''w2 roper'' and I use '' '' coz  as I remember the roper played in r ladder was a way different, we didn't refuse coz that is not our style.
I agree with Komo, they'd be separated,  ''w2 roper'' has nothing to do with roper, Avi and Shy have a great advantage just picking this because they know strategies, tactics and experience to develop a better game than us, I'm not saying this is unfair, I'm pointing out a reality.
In this league is so easy to pop up with an idea, discuss it a little bit and finally make that idea a fact. Avi came with this roper thing and in few days it's part of the schemes that can be played in classic games.
Things should be done in a natural way, if there were a lot of people hosting and playing w2 roper this scheme should be added, but being honest the only ones I've seen hosting it is Avi, Shy, Dulek and no one else. The rest of the classic schemes are quite popular, everyone can see shoppers hosted all day long by noobs, average and well known players; but I'm pretty sure than no one apart from this league know that this kind of roper does even exist.
I highly respect MI and ppl working for free in this league, I'm also mod in LW and I know how hard is to deal with a lot of players, but honestly the way this league take desicions of such importance and relevance is naive and weak, seems like TuS lacks of confidence and character, tomorrow another oldschool will create a new variety of I don't know, w2 bng lol, will set up a poll and will have people voting yes for this crap only to be nice and form part of his gang and done, we have a new scheme in TuS.
I like how TuS is open to new ideas in order to improve the league; nevertheless as TuS is willing to discuss and approve those ideas, TuS should also learn to say NO.

I'm pretty impressed with that lalo

"Things should be done in a natural way, if there were a lot of people hosting and playing w2 roper this scheme should be added, but being honest the only ones I've seen hosting it is Avi, Shy, Dulek and no one else. The rest of the classic schemes are quite popular, everyone can see shoppers hosted all day long by noobs, average and well known players; but I'm pretty sure than no one apart from this league know that this kind of roper does even exist."

I couldn't agree more with this.

And lol, w2BnG LOL ! NEVER !

i agree, w2roper should be set as a different scheme all together... and please, dont say there is different strategy... standard roping has no strategy.. just simply say "there is strategy"


and btw: that was mine and shyguys first time playing w2roper 2v2.. we were simply useing our heads as to what to do, where to hide, and when to pile...

however, we did know the tactic of when to get crates, and when to leave them behind... but i would think thats pretty simple for anybody to figure out...


and saying that MI went about this in any kinda of bad way is rediculous... he made a poll.. 50% of the poll was yes, 50% of the poll was no..  he said his plans in advanced.. giving about a weeks notice that the scheme would be coming into effect, and even gave the no voters the upper hand, by offerings the option to refuse the scheme when it comes time ti play...

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another thing is... u have no idea how many people refused w2roper when me and shy ask for it.. the main reason "oh i have not tried that yet, nope" and lalo, even your clanmate has said.. "i have not tried that yet" 

at one point will u guyz decide to give it a try..

lalo, i know u dont fully understand all the strategy and the tactics involved in the game, but u cant tell me that roper is not much more strategic.. me and shyguy really enjoyed the game.. its a shame u people dont consider it as scheme more often that not.


i do agree with komo tho... this should be set as a totally different scheme... (and make it so people can not refuse it)  hell, i cant refuse rr, can i?

Of course normal Roper has strategy, more so in 2on2 obviously, but still has strategy, w2Roper doesn't exactly have much strategy either in that case, just a decision to make, "Am I good enough to get that crate and hit, or not?"

There are strategies for both.

For example, hiding, on top or under, when to use FD, when to use a grenade and keep the player in the same spot, or push him somewhere to stop him getting out as easy - LOTS of little strategies actually

Oh, and for the last time:

I HAVE TRIED YOUR SCHEME ALREADY - AND LIKE IT ! JUST NOT AS MUCH AS NORMAL ROPER.

Lol...

hiding on top is considered lame...

when to use FD? my only thought is whenever and as much as u possible can..

keeping the worm inside a hide, rather then knocking him for easy access to rope out easily? genius..



and to say that w2roper has no strategy is silly.... ur the first, and only one to say that.

Avi and Shy have a great advantage just picking this because they know strategies, tactics and experience to develop a better game than us -lalo

Where did I say w2Roper has no strategy?

"when to use FD? my only thought is whenever and as much as u possible can.."

This same thing goes to your crate rule, collect it and attack whenever and as much as possible...

And I don't see why hiding on top is considered lame, it IS a strategy that undoubtly works, without fail (unless you fail)

You should be good enough to keep up with the other player so that they don't get the advantage to do this anyway.