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Mission #8 Trouble with goblins

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Name: Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
Type: Misc
Moderator: Russian Federation kirill470

Started: December 04, 2022, 07:19 AM
Expire time: January 01, 2023, 08:30 AM

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Scheme File(s): scheme Trouble with goblins

Description:
Story campaign. Mission 8.
Our worm goes on a journey and meets Santa-Worm, he asks for help. The village was surrounded by golbins and they must be destroyed.
You will need to participate in a triple logic puzzle: find all the goblins, think over the route, use the weapon correctly in a given situation.

Rules:
1. Put 1 worm at the start (it will also be the finish)
2. Find 13 golbins all over the map and destroy them with 13 weapons. (You can use the mole both for drilling the landscape, and use it as an additional weapon if you failed to destroy the goblin somewhere)
3. Each goblin must be destroyed completely, or 99% - if a pixel remains from him, the result is accepted
4. Show the best time by reaching the finish line alive
P.S: The final time is counted after the destruction of the last goblin (For example, if you destroyed 12 goblins and stood at the finish line, released the super sheep from it and destroyed the last goblin, then your time will be after the explosion this supersheep)

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Name: Trouble with goblins by kirill470
Best Record: 104.94 by Danger135
Pending times: 0
Number of members participated: 4
Number of Records: 7

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Downloaded 384 time(s)
Recorded Country Player Recorded Groups Record Replay Map Points Posted Overall Points Overall Rate Info
1st Slovakia Danger135 104.94s
p:00:00		 20 December 15, 2022, 07:09 AM 1,845 Highly Competent
2nd Mexico Zalo the moler MOLCR 106.26s
p:00:00		 15 December 15, 2022, 04:56 AM 1,289 Rookie
3rd Germany vesuvio MOLCR 141s
p:00:00		 10 December 11, 2022, 04:23 PM 1,308 Novice
4th Russian Federation kirill470 203s
p:00:00		 5 December 04, 2022, 05:18 PM 2,267 Major

Statistics of this challenge

Points Overall Points Overall Rate
Slovakia Danger135 25 1,845
Mexico Zalo the moler 20 1,289
Germany vesuvio 15 1,308
Russian Federation kirill470 10 2,267
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Offline Danger135

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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2022, 04:14 PM »
Yes, rules said it unclear: 3. Each goblin must be destroyed completely, or 99%
But what exactly is 99%? For that I take that work and count it exactly on pixels what that 99% (and remaining 1%) represents.  8)

With that mole: it could be better written to rules: you have 13 primary weapons + mole as secondary weapon...
« Last Edit: December 12, 2022, 04:21 PM by Danger135 »
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2022, 10:32 PM »
Quote from: Danger135 on December 10, 2022, 05:39 PM
Zalo destroyed first goblin by only mole, so holyhand grenade remains unused. That is against rules too.

You can call me Judge.  ;D Please respect the rules when they are here already.

"2. Find 13 golbins all over the map and destroy them with 13 weapons."

And I used... 13 weapons... on those 13 goblins so...? which rule exactly I broke Danger?
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2022, 03:18 AM »
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(You can use the mole both for drilling the landscape, and use it as an additional weapon if you failed to destroy the goblin somewhere)
I am not sure. Rules saying about 13 weapons, but you have 14 weapons. It is confusing. And it saying about mole as additional weapon. Maybe you are right and your replay was valid.. But why is as additional weapon accepted only mole, when it have one more weapon to use?

Verdict: not clear rules. They may be modified for be clear.

BTW that
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4. Show the best time by reaching the finish line alive
is weird too. Can I reach finish line dead, when there is no worm energy?
« Last Edit: December 13, 2022, 03:25 AM by Danger135 »
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2022, 05:05 AM »
Quote from: Danger135 on December 13, 2022, 03:18 AM
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(You can use the mole both for drilling the landscape, and use it as an additional weapon if you failed to destroy the goblin somewhere)
I am not sure. Rules saying about 13 weapons, but you have 14 weapons. It is confusing.

I am not sure where is the confusing part. It says "Destroy 13 goblins with 13 weapons" that's it. We all have 14 weapons in the inventory. You kept Mole Bomb, I kept Holy Granade. Simple.

Anyway, I got 111.86 sec but there is a way to destroy bottom crates without even climbing down (via Vase on the rooftop above left crate, via homing in the middle, and via dynamite on the right)
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2022, 10:44 AM »
Quote from: Zalo the moler on December 13, 2022, 05:05 AM
It says "Destroy 13 goblins with 13 weapons" that's it. We all have 14 weapons in the inventory. You kept Mole Bomb, I kept Holy Granade. Simple.

Yes 13 weapons, but mole is not one of them, which is stated in the additional part (You can use the mole both for drilling the landscape, and use it as an additional weapon if you failed to destroy the goblin somewhere), so i dont know why there is even a debate about, when the rules are pretty clear.
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2022, 02:30 PM »
Quote from: Zalo the moler on December 13, 2022, 05:05 AM
... there is a way to destroy bottom crates without even climbing down...
I was thinking about this strategy too, but no time for test it.
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2022, 03:27 PM »
Btw Zalo, your 111.86 have one little error: 17 pixels remain from goblin destroyed by holyhand grenade. Bad luck. It is less than 99% destroy then.  ;) You could use additionally mole there.
I was not reported a lot or records where was good time, but it remains same... rules are rules.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2022, 03:31 PM by Danger135 »
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2022, 05:07 PM »
Quote from: Danger135 on December 13, 2022, 03:27 PM
Btw Zalo, your 111.86 have one little error: 17 pixels remain from goblin destroyed by holyhand grenade. Bad luck. It is less than 99% destroy then.  ;) You could use additionally mole there.
I was not reported a lot or records where was good time, but it remains same... rules are rules.

Those remaining 4 pixels were goblin's hair :D don't worry. You don't need to kill a goblin's hair in order to kill such a goblin :D
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2022, 07:25 PM »
Rule #3 is clear. Need destroy completely or 99%. It means maximal 11 pixels can remain. Rules are rules, keep trying, your replay is not valid.  :P
You said 17 pixels (98.5%) are OK... then somebody will say 26 pixels are still OK.... then 38, then 42... and then half of goblin are OK. NO! 11 pixels is limit, it is 99% destroy as saying rules. EXACTLY. And be happy that you no need destroy it completely, so can not remain simple pixel.

Please stop trying broke the rules. And why they keep replays which not meet the required rules?! Are they too lazy for check it correctly? I am checking my replays myself, and if there is more than 11 pixels, I do not reporting it here.

TIP: you can change speed in replay by 1 to 9, and stop it by S. Then change background to black by Insert key for better result, and press Pause key on keyboard. It will make screenshot in USER\capture folder. On that image you can look with zoom by any image viewer, or mspaint.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2022, 07:45 PM by Danger135 »
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2022, 11:11 PM »
Quote from: Danger135 on December 13, 2022, 07:25 PM
NO! 11 pixels is limit, it is 99% destroy as saying rules. EXACTLY.

Do you really see more than 11 pixels over there?   :o



Quote from: Danger135 on December 13, 2022, 07:25 PM
Please stop trying broke the rules. And why they keep replays which not meet the required rules?! Are they too lazy for check it correctly? I am checking my replays myself, and if there is more than 11 pixels, I do not reporting it here.

TIP: you can change speed in replay by 1 to 9, and stop it by S. Then change background to black by Insert key for better result, and press Pause key on keyboard. It will make screenshot in USER\capture folder. On that image you can look with zoom by any image viewer, or mspaint.

Wait  ??? You actually counted all of the single pixels on Goblin in Paint all by yourself? and you discovered that it's 1100 pixels?  ??? I don't have Pause button here on my keyboard... Last time I saw it on my Windows 98 PC.
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2022, 02:40 AM »
Yes, I count goblin pixels in mspaint. Goblin have 1143 pixels, you can re-count it, image is on previous page. It is not hard when you have that grid, and draw another grid over it by 5x5 pixels. Then easy count all pixels in that 5x5 squares and sum it.

Each normal keyboard or notebook have the Pause/Break key. It make nice screenshot, look attached image. There you can zoom (again attached image), and eventually in mspaint (it have grid, last attached image) count the pixels. I changed black background to white for better view by IrfanView (Image -> Palette -> Edit palette).

Other way is take BIG magnifying glass and look closest on screen, or make photo on macro from 5 cm distance from screen.
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2022, 04:16 AM »
Okay... you won... Kirill can delete my replay. But how about that Grandma that vesuvio dropped? didn't he leave more than 11 pixels there?
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2022, 11:18 AM »
You are right, I forgot report that vesuvio's 125.12s record, I was already too tired make judge here for each single replay (and nobody pay for it ;) ). He left 25 pixels (attached images), so he failed, game not valid.

I deleted cca 30 my replays where was good time but old woman failed. It even sometime failed on right up goblin, where is really small place. Grandma wasted a lot of my replays.
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2022, 11:37 AM »
Ok it's been removed
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Re: Challenge #801, Mission #8 Trouble with goblins
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2022, 12:00 PM »
BTW that idea where are destroyed bottom goblins without go there down work well, I was tested it and have good time with my bad rope skill.  ;)  (I was used different weapons than Zalo)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2022, 12:06 PM by Danger135 »
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