Academy of Artillery #2

TheWalrus · December 13, 2023, 04:50 PM

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 04:39 PM
It does have sudden death, the link in the cup description does work:

https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-5369/

Shows up as private to me too, although im not sure what that means, never seen before

TheKomodo · December 13, 2023, 04:52 PM

Wow, I had no idea it was set to private, that's mad! No wonder I had no idea when it works for me lol.

Yeah though, it's updated now!

When we made AoA last time, we changed the Aerial scheme due to your request actually, you didn't join anyway but the changes were welcome.

No crates, 3s fuse for mines and water rise.

We forgot the crates part, and just went with it, this time, it's fixed though!

Edit - We're probably going to change the Fort scheme as well so it's faster without SD.

Sensei · December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM

Komo, don't say "we" when we all know you think about yourself.

Yeah, crates in Aerial should be discussed around community. I personally left them in there cause it was just another way to show this scheme does not have that many similarities to Hyst. Wouldn't mind crates gone tbh! Or discuss with community about leaving them but changing percentages of probabilities for some weapons/utilities to appear. I'm all up for making Aerial as competitive as it can get, as long as it doesn't become 3sec Hysteria.

In your "K" scheme, though, you left infinite uzi, 4 mortars, 4 petrols.. Which tells me you probably never even played this scheme properly. If you did, you'd know that these weapons totally kill the "sudden death" meaning to it, making it way too noob friendly and not competitive at all.

So please refrain of saying you "fixed" something which Walrus, oldsock, Salty, Jago, SiD and dozens of us really tested and fixed almost decade ago.

TheKomodo · December 13, 2023, 05:37 PM

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM
Komo, don't say "we" when we all know you think about yourself.

1st of all, you've been here 2 minutes in this Cup and you're trying to start drama already? What's with the feeble attempt at a low wit insult? Do you just go around everywhere with a chip on your shoulder lol?

Here is an idea, keep your own paranoid thoughts to yourself perhaps?

I said "We" because let's just pretend that only you and I were involved, which equals "we". "We" came to the decision/solution/idea/whatever together, that's what matters.

However, there were some other players I spoke to at the time and asked for their opinion. Not that you are bothered or would even care to ask.

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM
Yeah, crates in Aerial should be discussed around community. I personally left them in there cause it was just another way to show this scheme does not have that many similarities to Hyst. Wouldn't mind crates gone tbh! Or discuss with community about leaving them but changing percentages of probabilities for some weapons/utilities to appear. I'm all up for making Aerial as competitive as it can get, as long as it doesn't become 3sec Hysteria.

Crates create RnG, so that's an automatic NOPE!

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM
In your "K" scheme, though, you left infinite uzi, 4 mortars, 4 petrols.. Which tells me you probably never even played this scheme properly. If you did, you'd know that these weapons totally kill the "sudden death" meaning to it, making it way too noob friendly and not competitive at all.

What does "properly" mean? Do I need to play with you and your band of professional merrymen for it to be considered proper?

Also, I got the idea to change the scheme from YOU. At the time you mentioned taking out crates and adding rising water, you did not mention anything about taking away uzi, mortars and petrols.

Here is your quote:

Quote from: Sensei on March 11, 2023, 06:57 AM
If there's gonna be changes in Aerial scheme (more competitive one with sudden death, 3sec mines etc.) let us know. I'd like to join.

One of the best medals I've seen, btw. Gj

I made the changes you suggested, so to be honest, you've only got yourself to blame here for not going into extra detail.

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM
So please refrain of saying you "fixed" something which Walrus, oldsock, Salty, Jago, SiD and dozens of us really tested and fixed almost decade ago.

So no, I won't refrain from saying the problem was fixed, when the problem actually being spoken about WAS fixed.

The problem is that I personally forgot to remove random crates from the scheme, and THAT problem was fixed, which is why I said it was fixed.

Your problem, which is a different problem, and as stated, is YOUR problem until you can convince me that it's, OUR problem.

I saw ZERO complaints about the Aerial scheme last time, other than crates being left on however didn't want to change the scheme again halfway into the Cup.

Sensei · December 13, 2023, 05:50 PM

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 05:37 PM
I made the changes you suggested, so to be honest, you've only got yourself to blame here for not going into extra detail.

I suggested you to use the scheme that's on TUS since 2016.
You rather made your "K" variant and left uzi,mortars and petrols inside, while talking about competitivity..

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 05:37 PM
I said "We" because let's just pretend that only you and I were involved, which equals "we". "We" came to the decision/solution/idea/whatever together, that's what matters.

Sure, sure.

Have a good one.

TheWalrus · December 13, 2023, 05:54 PM

I'm liking this cup and it hasn't even started. We haven't had good sensei/komo drama in awhile, this seems promising.

Re-join cup Toni you coward!

Sensei · December 13, 2023, 05:59 PM

Haha <3 You know I would, James, but seeing these Aerial settings threw me off a bit. We're going backwards, after all these years..

Btw.. https://giphy.com/clips/southpark-episode-4-season-8-south-park-eWEh4b43KegplYUf4a

TheKomodo · December 13, 2023, 06:02 PM

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:50 PM
I suggested you to use the scheme that's on TUS since 2016.

When? Where? In the AoA Cup you only posted 1 comment there, and it's the comment I quoted.

Then after I made those changes I DM'd you on Discord and this was the conversation:

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Komito — 03/11/2023 8:27 PM
I updated the scheme for Aerial, there is only 3 spots left, so if you want in, better hurry!
Komito — 03/12/2023 12:49 AM
2 spots left.
Sensei — 03/12/2023 2:44 AM
Thx for reaching out. Next 6 months I'm gonna be afk from main pc apparently due to new job,so better for someone else to take that spot. I can't play competitively on laptop. Totally forgot about that detail yesterday. But yeah, good switch for the cup. SD scheme is the better choice for ranked games.

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:50 PM
You rather made your "K" variant and left uzi,mortars and petrols inside, while talking about competitivity..

The only reason I made the "K" variant was so people knew it was a variant and there was a direct link in the Cup so that people get the right scheme for the Cup.

Now, uzi and mortars I couldn't care less about so if anyone else has issue with those I'll remove them, but petrols, I fail to see how that makes the scheme less competitive combined with water rise, especially when there are only 4 of them. I strongly disagree so will be keeping them in.

A lot of people say the same thing about Hysteria that it shouldn't have petrols and I disagree with them too.

Either way, this has nothing to do with competitiveness and more to do with taste, as with or without petrol the scheme is still highly competitive and skilled, and that's a literal fact.

Edit - That being said...

I'm not playing, but watching, so if everyone is ok taking out petrols, mortars and uzi, then I'll do it.

Sensei · December 15, 2023, 10:57 AM

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 13, 2023, 06:02 PM
When? Where? In the AoA Cup you only posted 1 comment there, and it's the comment I quoted.

When I said "sd scheme", I obviously guessed you will figure out there's one already made.Hence the discord conversation.

We talked about Aerial SD couple of times, played it together and you streamed couple of Aerial cups (finals at least) in recent years.. all that was hosted with mentioned scheme. Thought your attention span was a bit higher, it really is my fault.

Host whatever you think is good for the cup

TheKomodo · December 15, 2023, 06:22 PM

Quote from: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 10:57 AM
When I said "sd scheme", I obviously guessed you will figure out there's one already made.Hence the discord conversation.

We talked about Aerial SD couple of times, played it together and you streamed couple of Aerial cups (finals at least) in recent years.. all that was hosted with mentioned scheme. Thought your attention span was a bit higher, it really is my fault.

Well then there's your problem, you assumed.

Though I need to clear a few things up as well:

This is a TUS Cup, these events can be hosted using whatever schemes & rules the host wishes to use.

If your suggestions get rejected you shouldn't be so upset about it, life needs variety. That's what these Cups are for, trying things a little differently!

AoA Cups are also testing grounds for the schemes I consider to be worthy of an Artillery focused event, so while suggestions are all welcome and I will read them all, it doesn't mean I'll accept them all and integrate them into the event.

Aerial is one of the more flexible schemes in my opinion, it's a little bit more dynamic than the others, so it's ok to play custom Cups with custom settings so long as people follow the proper rules for the official leagues.

Quote from: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 10:57 AM
Host whatever you think is good for the cup

Thanks for your kind and polite advice! I never would have thought of this otherwise!

There was me trying to secretly sabotage my own Cup like an evil genius trying to annoy everyone without them realizing it!

Over 24 years playing Worms Armageddon, all that time was surely a waste where I learned nothing about the game lol!

Sensei · December 15, 2023, 06:34 PM

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 15, 2023, 06:22 PM

This is a TUS Cup, these events can be hosted using whatever schemes & rules the host wishes to use.

Ah, okay.. You were saying "we" in the beginning.
Sounded funny. Thanks for explanation.

Quote from: Sensei on December 13, 2023, 05:16 PM
Komo, don't say "we" when we all know you think about yourself.

In the future, pls listen to this advice.. Cause it felt like I was talking with gollum for a moment.

TheKomodo · December 15, 2023, 06:41 PM

Quote from: Sensei on December 15, 2023, 06:34 PM
Ah, okay.. You were saying "we" in the beginning.

It's interesting that you try all these subtle techniques with the little dig comments to try and make people look bad.

Though regarding what you said there, anyone with half a brain can see why those things aren't related to each other.

You have a major chip on your shoulder and you need to stop.

You've made your point you don't like this scheme, what more do you need to achieve here?

Sensei · December 15, 2023, 06:50 PM

Yeah, we made our points and then you needed to "explain me few things".. Sorry, but things like these:

Quote from: TheKomodo on December 15, 2023, 06:22 PM
Though I need to clear a few things up as well:

...just get me going.

Although, my point was not do I like or don't like this scheme. Point was it's not competitive as you say it is, since few weapons are still in there and they allow players to take advantage of noobish tactics when game is about to end. I do hope you'll consider new Aerial league scheme when it's up and running.

Coming for you, James!

TheKomodo · December 15, 2023, 06:54 PM

You're doing it again!

Who hurt you Sensei???

Edit - Actually while we are on the subject of scheme changes...

You may be aware we're changing the Fort scheme, or trying to at least lol.

So far, we've testing it with 100hp worms instead of 200hp worms, took banana out, no sudden death and no girder pack.

James and I are fans so far, Rocket seems ok but says it feels a lot different which it does because it focuses more on artillery BnG skill instead of SD stuff because it was always ending with water and plops that way with less precise shots.

We haven't came to a conclusion yet.

Sensei · December 15, 2023, 07:19 PM

Haven't played Forts since 2015. probably. I'm up for trying that new scheme tomorrow if anyone is around.

Academy of Artillery #2

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