Rowy

Husk · March 17, 2013, 05:03 PM

Quote from: DENnis on March 17, 2013, 05:01 PM
The worst thing is not even that his scheme is clumsy and bugged without a lot of fixes, the worst thing is the name faking and playing this wrong named cup with a wrong named scheme.

You called this cup Rowy (I know philie caused the faking by calling his RowyRemix Rowy, too) but you say it is forbidden to use the scheme which is called Rowy and that is really silly. It kills a lot of fun to play with a bugged scheme and let Rowy look bad! It isn't even an updated scheme, because it is actually the opposite!

It would be ok if you rename it to RowyRemix, Full-Rowy or Rowy-All!

It is correct that with several extra rules it could work with some luck and that it can be fun if you are lucky and can swing with the bungee and do a nice fly to better hide for example, but that luck that you could use bungee so nice will almost never happen. The heights distance for a good working bungee has a small tolerance so you will mainly have to skip and lose several turns, plop a worm or avoid 2 main rules!

There actually has to be 4 more rules added:

1) Skip a turn if you can't use bungee if it is not possible isn't enough because the next turn you will have to use bungee again and so on which would probably cause a lot of skipped and lost turns and to lose because of bad luck kills too much fun. I'm sorry but the RowyRemix has much more contras than pros.

2) If you can't use bungee at first try (it could happen that you could never use bungee and end in a skiprace) then you have to tell an extra rule to the extra rule: Not only skip 1 turn, skip the whole weapon!

3) 2 Teams instead of 3 Teams or fix the delay-bug if you want to change the main Rowy rules, too and keep playing with 3 teams! 3 Teams would be ok after a schemefix because then you could attack more often.

4) No 100% blocking with girders.

how come u didn't speak while we were still waiting for the cup to start? )=

Husk · March 17, 2013, 06:40 PM

well it doesn't matter anymore =)

anyway, maybe we could switch to the better scheme (and rules) by dennis when the knockouts start?

DENnis · March 17, 2013, 07:51 PM

Quote from: Husk on March 17, 2013, 06:40 PM
well it doesn't matter anymore =)

anyway, maybe we could switch to the better scheme (and rules) by dennis when the knockouts start?

Thank you very much. I'm very sorry that I didn't talk earlier about it, Peja just said that there will be a Rowy cup and I clicked join without looking. Then I was busy sometimes, drove with my stunt inline skates, played sport-games (yes, really offline, I can't believe if I read that

) and juggled (no, not only with my balls, perverts

) so I didn't care much about this cup and when I was at home I just was playing a lot (finally I'm not an absolute beginner nomore,

)

+ Writing everything for that as detailed as possible and factual (yes, that's DENnis' Quality) took a very long time for me. I just read Uzurpators and ORELs comments later and it was strange to see "Rules Copyright by philie", wtf? (but maybe he just means that he changed a word or sentence), and that we won't play Rowy at a Rowy-Cup. After that I just had to write down the necessary words which shall not sound unfriendly because philie and HHC probably just tryed to make Rowy more famous which could be a good thing if it would have been done in the correct way, too.

The main thing here is just that we have fun anyway because Rowy was meant as a varied fun scheme where you just use more weapons as in the known standard schemes.

philie · March 18, 2013, 10:12 AM

lol man.
first thing to say: i never claimed any copyright for rowy, but instead said it was yours (and pejas) scheme. check scheme info: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-936/, or any rowy wo cups (check od-profile for the links). if you want, i can add in the subtitle that it's a "full-rowy remix" or whatever.
you think i "raped" your scheme, but i think i improved it. the decision to add the 4 remaining weaps was tested of course. nevertheless the girder and bungee rules makes sense, i'll add them to the description.
to the worms number: there's a delay prob with mortar, yes. then it works. that's a small problem to gain something bigger: rowy games often last till armageddon, while with 2 teams per player they often are finished at f9 or f10.
some final note:
without peja and me hosting a rowy-fest each wo, YOUR scheme would have been forgotten already 2 years ago, so pls stop shouting at me.

OREL · March 18, 2013, 01:31 PM

Peja, Den, Prince i'm in AG today and tommorow

PM

DENnis · March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM

I didn't shout, I just wrote down the necessary facts after the first complaints came up here because I don't like misunderstandings.

The bug is not caused by Mortar, lol, like I said every delayed weapon has to get 1 turn delay less for every new team you add. Of course thats a lot of work to fix it, that's why I suggest to use better maps instead of more worms (watch the Example Replay if you want). To skip one turn every game because of the delay bug and hope that your oppenent knows about ur delay bug or reads the chat so that he won't attack you with Patsy's Magic Bullet is a clumsy way. Same goes for Bungee where the whole "weapon" has to be skipped and not only 1 turn, like I explained in many ways already. And then you have the problem that the delay is wrong for the whole rest of the game which is bad, too.

I see the pros at your adds, too, don't worry. I like bungee btw. It just doesn't fit to Rowy because it wouldn't work in the most games, causes cows or unnecessary dying worms (Yes, with 3 Teams it wouldn't hurt so much to lose 1 turn and 1 worm more in a lot of cases but anyway I don't like suicide).

+ Read my last post here. Yes, ty philie that you mentioned peja and me in your description. The Copyright was written down in this cup description because HHC probably thought that you developed the rules. Last post:

Quote from: DENnis on March 17, 2013, 07:51 PM
Quote from: Husk on March 17, 2013, 06:40 PM
well it doesn't matter anymore =)

anyway, maybe we could switch to the better scheme (and rules) by dennis when the knockouts start?

Thank you very much. I'm very sorry that I didn't talk earlier about it, Peja just said that there will be a Rowy cup and I clicked join without looking. Then I was busy sometimes, drove with my stunt inline skates, played sport-games (yes, really offline, I can't believe if I read that ) and juggled (no, not only with my balls, perverts ) so I didn't care much about this cup and when I was at home I just was playing a lot (finally I'm not an absolute beginner nomore, )

+ Writing everything for that as detailed as possible and factual (yes, that's DENnis' Quality) took a very long time for me. I just read Uzurpators and ORELs comments later and it was strange to see "Rules Copyright by philie", wtf? (but maybe he just means that he changed a word or sentence), and that we won't play Rowy at a Rowy-Cup. After that I just had to write down the necessary words which shall not sound unfriendly because philie and HHC probably just tryed to make Rowy more famous which could be a good thing if it would have been done in the correct way, too.

The main thing here is just that we have fun anyway because Rowy was meant as a varied fun scheme where you just use more weapons as in the known standard schemes.

Quote from: OREL on March 18, 2013, 01:12 PM
i'm in AG go play cup?

At that time I was at work, but tomorrow I'll have a free day so I can play a lot today and tomorrow

Korydex · March 18, 2013, 04:47 PM

IMO, playing with bungee would be more interesting... It makes you think many turns ahead not to get in the spot where you can't use it.

Husk · March 18, 2013, 05:12 PM

me n dmitry agreed tomorrow 14:00 GMT, but if we fail that we r gonna try 16:00 GMT xD

philie · March 18, 2013, 11:27 PM

Quote from: DENnis on March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM
like I said every delayed weapon has to get 1 turn delay less for every new team you add.

thanks, i didn't know that.

Quote from: DENnis on March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM
Of course thats a lot of work to fix it

2 mins.

Quote from: DENnis on March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM
And then you have the problem that the delay is wrong for the whole rest of the game which is bad, too.

nah. that's not true. if you skip mortar, the rest of the delays work fine.
but that doesn't matter, cause i fixed this bug.
plus there'll be 2 schemes: 1 for 3 teams vs 3 teams games, and the other for 2 vs 2 (vs 2).

Quote from: DENnis on March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM
Bungee just doesn't fit to Rowy because it wouldn't work in the most games, causes cows or unnecessary dying worms.

well... i just don't think so

Quote from: DENnis on March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM
Yes, ty philie that you mentioned peja and me in your description. The Copyright was written down in this cup description because HHC probably thought that you developed the rules.

guess we're fine then.

i'm gonna change the name to Rowy 2.0 and link to the original scheme you uploaded.

HHC · March 18, 2013, 11:34 PM

Quote from: DENnis on March 18, 2013, 04:16 PM
+ Read my last post here. Yes, ty philie that you mentioned peja and me in your description. The Copyright was written down in this cup description because HHC probably thought that you developed the rules.

It was Phil who uploaded the scheme here (it was still missing), I copied the rules from the scheme description and changed 1 or 2 things. The core text was Phil's though, that's why copyright him.

I hope this thing is settled now. Cup advances

DENnis · March 19, 2013, 12:06 AM

Yes all good now, ty for the listening and fixing.

I think that scheme works good with the extra rules and 3 worms teams fixes and if the maps are very good like the map "fatman" where u have several levels. then u have a good chance that bungee will work. + I just did 2 nice bungees alrdy in my 2 past games. 1 with getting a crate and swing back to hide and one with swing back to top too at the aladdin map, I suggest u use maps like that then both schemes works great.

philie · March 19, 2013, 12:18 AM

1 thing to do: hhc: could you update the cup page once more? you need to change the scheme to this 1: https://www.tus-wa.com/schemes/scheme-951/
and maybe tell every1 to download it again...

HHC · March 19, 2013, 11:29 AM

Hmm, not a fan of changing a scheme in the middle of a cup.

I replaced the scheme in the cup description though, It's the same right? Just mortar bug removed?
Both can be used then, don't think ppl will even notice

philie · March 20, 2013, 09:44 AM

ya, alright

HHC · March 20, 2013, 12:27 PM

Nice job on the activity people, still 9 days left and most of the games are done already

Might even be able to start k/o soon

edit: for draws in standings amount of worms/hp counts.

Rowy

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